Can The Murderbox Play Crysis? It Should for $20K

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What is the Toms Hardware record for most 'similar or identical comments made in a single thread by people who apparently could not be bothered to read any of the comments that came before theirs'?

We must be getting close to that :)
 
So, for 20k, you don't even get hoseclamps, resoirvoir, or top end hardware? What about a decent paint job? Just flat black? Seriously?!?!
BRB, I'm gonna go punch myself in the face...
 
Hi all, I wrote to the Website and told murderbox that they have a beautiful website. Charles there wrote back and clarified some things about this article. Basically, the most expensive PC he's shipped was $14K, not $20K, and it took several months to construct. You all are assuming Toms Hardware contacted them and verified these facts but this is not the case. Anyways, it's a beautiful website and these are beautiful machines - that's a fact. If you don't have $6K for a new PC, read on ^_^
 
[citation][nom]pocketdrummer[/nom]Yeah, well an extra $10,000 for a professionally designed, even artistically designed computer is just too much for any rational person. I suppose this is for the uncomfortably wealthy who view art as a means to flaunt their social and financial status to their friends.If I'm going to go the "artistic" route, it better be a case designed from the ground up, not a modded Silverstone case with pretty wiring and a neat water cooling setup. He's good, I'll give him that, but not $10,000 good.[/citation]

Something is worth what you pay for it. Tom's misquoted his website anyways, with his "normal" systems running around 7k. And just BTW, the ZR1 is respected as one of the fastest cars on the market--at an "affordable" $110k. Does that mean Lamborghini should charge the same their Reventon, which costs ten times that?
 
[citation][nom]warezme[/nom]seriously???, dual 285's start at $6,000????, whatev[/citation]
I don't know how many people have said this, despite the many clarifications that the GTX 285 build was 2-3 years old. But I'm willing to bet you won't be the last...

It seems like a lot of people don't even attempt to skim through the existing comments before posting their own.
 
[citation][nom]lilteap0t[/nom]Hi all, I wrote to the Website and told murderbox that they have a beautiful website. Charles there wrote back and clarified some things about this article. Basically, the most expensive PC he's shipped was $14K, not $20K, and it took several months to construct. You all are assuming Toms Hardware contacted them and verified these facts but this is not the case. Anyways, it's a beautiful website and these are beautiful machines - that's a fact. If you don't have $6K for a new PC, read on ^_^[/citation]
Great to know. Unfortunately if history is any indication, practically no one will end up reading your comment. Did he happen to mention potential specs for the $14k system?
 
[citation][nom]rosen380[/nom]What is the Toms Hardware record for most 'similar or identical comments made in a single thread by people who apparently could not be bothered to read any of the comments that came before theirs'?We must be getting close to that[/citation]
Ya... it usually happens a couple times, but this thread seems especially bad even by those standards.
 
Well, to be fair I did check out the site and looked at the gallery, and the pc's do look really nice, and it looks like they had a professional photographer take the pictures. But again, I don't think that any of the configurations would be even remotely close to the price's they are asking. 20k, 14k. I'll tell you what, if I had 14k sunk into my pc, that thing would look like one of the baddest pc's on the planet, and would perform similarly. But the fact is that you can buy pc's that look better, and perform better from falcon northwest, voodoo, Alienware, dell, ect. for half the cost. So, yeah, they have skills building pc's, and the systems look really clean, but unless you are looking at them through an artist's perspective, i just don't see the value there. They haven't done anything that I haven't seen any average modder do from time to time and everything from what I can tell, except for the case obviously, looks like off the shelf parts to me. Of course I do notice the little things like the shrink tape over the pcie cable or the custom bracket for the reservoirs, and the wire loom for the 20/24 pin slots (which you can buy that way, seen them at fry's), or the way the put on the tube without clamps. Seen it done many times. For that price this thing should be minimum quad tri-quad sli, 6 core processor or two quad cores, if it's water cooled then everything should be watercooled, nb, ram, voltage regulators, and the paint should be a candy, pearlescent, chameleon, chrome, carbon fiber ect, have some lights, lcd or oled screen built in, multiple hard drives. Ect, ect. It really rings in the back of my mind "why don't they put the price and specs on the website"?

Hey, just my opinion though.
 
Toms should contact the makers before publishing an article:
Thank you for your advice David.

The machine featured yesterday was completed almost two years ago. The Author of the article never contacted us and so the information he presented was either misinterpreted or altogether incorrect. For example, we've never sold a murderbox for 20k. In the FAQ on our website we stated:" A well appointed murderbox with a single liquid cooling loop, GPU and a few drives typically comes in around the $7,000USD mark while something on the level of Daniel's 008 build is in the neighborhood of 2-3x that.".

Daniel's machine is the most expensive machine we've built to date and took 6 months to complete with a final cost of 14k which included being shipped to Germany in a custom made crate. Taste is subjective but Daniel is still very happy with his machine today and considers it one of his prize possessions.

As for you starting to get a negative idea of what performance to expect well I'm sorry but I can't control how information, or more accurately misinformation about or products floats around the internet. One thing I can assure you is that we work very hard to ensure all our Customers are ecstatic with their products and their expectations are at least met, if not exceeded. That's all that's in our power to control.

All murderboxes use the latest, high performance hardware, period. I can't control whether some author in Australia decides to feature a machine we built two years and fails to mention that fact or even bothers to contact us for specific details.

David, I hope this explanation gives you a better understanding of the situation. I've taken the time to respond because I take great pride in my work and do everything I can to deliver the ultimate machine to my Customers. I can promise you that I'm not in this for the money!

Kind regards,
Charles H

The above was a response I got from them when I contacted them.
 
If it could run Metro 2033 maxed out with Advance DOF on then that would be more impressive, but running crysis 2 maxed is not very impressive, as my system(which does not cost more than 1K USD)can run it maxed out as well :\
 
Er, guys, I think in the paragraph where they mention the 2 GTX 285 they're talking about this computer's predecessor. The specs for this computer aren't listed, only the price.
 
[citation][nom]ien2222[/nom]YEAH!!!! for all of stupid people who take Tom's at face value and not take the time to research. That build you see listed? That's old old news and I came across that particular one over 2 years ago. The latest hardware is used for his builds and 20k will be top of the line everything.Is there a markup? Absolutely, but you are also paying for a clean, crisp style and form that you don't find just anywhere and that is a quite bit of labor.Who cares if you can make a build for cheaper, that isn't the point.Stupid clueless people.[/citation]
Sorry ien2222, but roflmao.
 
Zulutech: Though Ien was alittle....enthusiastic in his rant, he wasn't that far off base. There's well over 30-40 people who were complaining at the specs listed and thinking that Charles is charging 20K for that now. That just isn't the case, the 008 was commissioned 2 years ago and the total for it was 14K which included a custom wood crate for transport that was shipped air freight to Germany(that isn't cheap). No one took the time to even consider that perhaps the article was extremely misleading(which it was) and ranted all over the place.

Charles sets the bar for clean and tidy cases. He is the example used in several modding circles as to what you should be striving for, for those types of mods. The work he does and the commitment towards polish is well respected, it's a shame that people here are so.."clueless" as Ien says and have unjustly berated Charles and his work.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=172583
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-213395.html

There's a couple of links to his worklogs for the 008(XS is archived without the pics). The comments during and afterwards show a bit more intelligence and a whole lot more class than was displayed here.
 
[citation][nom]mdk175x2[/nom]Zulutech: Though Ien was alittle....enthusiastic in his rant, he wasn't that far off base. There's well over 30-40 people who were complaining at the specs listed and thinking that Charles is charging 20K for that now. That just isn't the case, the 008 was commissioned 2 years ago and the total for it was 14K which included a custom wood crate for transport that was shipped air freight to Germany(that isn't cheap). No one took the time to even consider that perhaps the article was extremely misleading(which it was) and ranted all over the place.Charles sets the bar for clean and tidy cases. He is the example used in several modding circles as to what you should be striving for, for those types of mods. The work he does and the commitment towards polish is well respected, it's a shame that people here are so.."clueless" as Ien says and have unjustly berated Charles and his work.http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=172583http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] 13395.htmlThere's a couple of links to his worklogs for the 008(XS is archived without the pics). The comments during and afterwards show a bit more intelligence and a whole lot more class than was displayed here.[/citation]
Mdk, its technology. Its time comes and goes. By no means, in my opinion, should anyone be charged something that, in relation to the price of the parts, is that inflated.
You know fine. If your one of those people who has diamonds on their mobile phone, because they can... go ahead. Its not my money.
 
Zulutech: I think you're missing part of the point. These are more or less 'commissioned' builds, not stock builds ala Alienware or even Falcon to an extent, that means you're paying for the labor. The customer can ask for whatever he wants done if it's possible. 100 hours a build is easily done, and at a reasonable rate of $20/hr, that's $2000 in labor. For some people, that 100 hrs could be spent making 60/hr so it's actually worth it to them. Not everyone wants to use or even have the free time to do this themselves. It's not about diamonds on their phones.

If we use you're argument, why would you buy custom furniture when stock Ikea works just fine or is something you can build yourself(it's mostly attention to detail, which any modder should be good at)? Why hire out to remodel a room in your house? Most people can do it themselves usually for half the cost. It's because their time is worth more than the price they are paying and it's still something they want. Don't treat PC's as this little exception that must always be built by yourself.

I'm sorry if you can't understand that, but that doesn't mean lot of people don't live in that world.
 
ROFL, seriously, im not making this up, the car lot down the street has a pontiac firebird ws6 with a turbo, 60,000 miles, red with t-tops and only has 60,000 miles, and the asking price...... $20,000..
What would you choose, muderbox pc or the firebird?
 
Mdk, I understand it perfectly, but then again I prefer doing things myself, by myself - and for that matter I enjoy building computers.

Being that said. If you are a script kiddie with a wad of cash in your pocket... this is the computer manufacturer for you!
 
And this computer isn't for you. Actually, from you last post, it's rather apparent you don't actually understand, and really, 'script kiddie with a wad of cash'? That's what you got? Starting off that big you only need a couple more cliche's to be worthy of a form warrior in this thread. Not to mention again that this isn't a computer manufacturer for at least the third time throughout the posts(but critical reading is slowly becoming a lost art I guess).

Whether isn't because you can't fathom other people having priorities and wants that are different from yours, think everybody should be like you, or can't be bothered by anyone who isn't like you, it's obvious there isn't any reasoning with you, so I guess...whatever, good for you.
 
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