China Pushes Censorship Amidst Google Threat

[kin_101]

I posted this to cnet earlier....

Have you guys lost your ability of critical thinking? You are pretty much taking Google's words completely at face value.

Just when does cyberattacks become a news again? Why is cyberattacks from any country is still a news for that matter? Is it because in your mind China is the only country doing cyberattacks (i.e. your whatever country is clean)? Or is it because in your mind China is the only country not supposed to do so?

And with such a "government-sponsored" "coordinated" "highly sophisticated" attack the only thing that Google gave up are two account names and their dates of opening the account? My goodness. If that is the case then Google should be in a triumphant mood of celebration of their mighty security instead of playing cry-baby. Blah-wah-wah, China hacked me and I feel hurt and I am angry. Oh please, give me a break.

And what does it have anything to do with content censoring anyway? Google enters into the market fully aware of this and have been tolerating their time for many years. What changed? What pushed it over the edge to do such a sudden high-profiled outcry of censorship? I don't remember reading any new political problem that's worth censoring. However, I remembered in the recent months China has been doing a massive and forceful crackdown on internet porns. And I remembered the government told the engines to filter out the porns. Ah-huh, so that's it. The dots connected. It doesn't require too many brain cells to deduce that Google has become a major porn search engine in China, and its business is hurt tremendously due to the new porn censorship rule laid out by the government. But instead of admit being a looser which will be detrimental to its stock, Google spinned the whole thing on moral grounds - citing only the political censorship which has been there for eons and the everyday-life cyberattacks. This is not only for protecting its stock price but also makes whoever stayed put very costly to fill the void it left behind. Google lacks any basic decency as a corporate citizen, every move of it is mere business calculation.

Baidu was brought down briefly by external circumstances right before Google's drama. Certainly a warning to China if it does not give in to Google's demand and beg it to stay then Google and its co-conspirators (try guess who) has the power to bring down China's main search engine and thus its internet as well. And so many of you are still perpetuating the don't-be-evil crap for a company that in the not-too-distant-past saw no evil in doing unauthorized scanning of copyrighted work. You gotta be kidding me.

Google is starting to embrace the characteristics of a looser. But more revealingly and pitifully, Google is dirty and is a con. This whole fiasco is just a calculated move. It is loosing in China anyway and so it decided to do a risky gamble - if it can stay, it will certainly gain market share because it can spin that China has agreed at least partially to its terms; and if it must leave, it can still count on the support of the gullible public thus protecting its stock price.

It's all business, nothing more and nothing less. And anyone who believes in Google's (or any big corporation's) sense of morality should be kept away from sharp objects and his or her own money.

 

[ch42832n]

I think the real and dangerous issue here is the chinese gov't hacked google.
This can't be good to any company doing business in china. The chinese gov't can steal any sensitive/confidential info from the company and use the info in anyway they wanted.

This is very unethical. Then again, since when the chinese gov't has any moral.

 

[DearSX]

Chinese people need to grow up and look past the Government. The Chinese Government's ideas are very primitive imo. A more caring and lively society I think would overrun that dictatorship pretty fast. Then again most of the world seems pretty mean, egotistical,and materialistic ie. human. I'm not religious, but China needs a Jesus like mentality. Change the country by changing themselves, not others (like dictators and companies).

 

[CChick]

[citation][nom]dearsx[/nom]Chinese people need to grow up and look past the Government. The Chinese Government's ideas are very primitive imo. A more caring and lively society I think would overrun that dictatorship pretty fast. Then again most of the world seems pretty mean, egotistical,and materialistic ie. human. I'm not religious, but China needs a Jesus like mentality. Change the country by changing themselves, not others (like dictators and companies).[/citation]

oh man you guys are so wonderful, so much freedom that you fucked your economy up so bad and guess what, you fags have to BEG China, yeah, the one of which you guys "talk shit about" every other day for money.

Kiss my ass bitch.

 

[CChick]

[citation][nom]xkm121[/nom]I just feel sad. Soon the internet in China will become a massive LAN. Feel sorry for Chinese people, they can't decide what they want and what they DON'T want for themselves.[/citation]

You make it sound like ur o-holy USA never spied anyone ?

Get ur facts straight b4 you talk. Thank you moron.

 

[randomizer]

The funny part is that right after Google stops censoring Google.cn they block a URL to a racist Encyclopedia Dramatica article on Google.com.au after a complaint to a Human Rights organisation that has no real power.

Big bark, little bite. That is Google.

 

[xrodney]

[citation][nom]Brother Shrike[/nom]communism != facism. In fact, they're kind of at opposite ends of the spectrum.[/citation]
They are not same, but not opposite either. Communists do use teror, they do both jail or shoot people that dont like to be silent sheep in corner. In past 6 decades there was millions of people killed, tortured, put in jail or sent to gulags in siberia in europe just becase they were brave/stupid enough to tell what they dont like to hear. They say communism is government of people, but its actually just few people on top that have all power. This is also one of reasons people in europe got finally fed up enough to start revolution in 90's that just luckily didnt end with army using weapons against it own people except few incidents as it started and went just too strong to fast and whole world was watching. There were few attempts before, but they didnt went that well.
There is huge difference in communist idea and reality.

 

[ch42832n]

[citation][nom]kin_101[/nom]I posted this to cnet earlier....Have you guys lost your ability of critical thinking? You are pretty much taking Google's words completely at face value.Just when does cyberattacks become a news again? Why is cyberattacks from any country is still a news for that matter? Is it because in your mind China is the only country doing cyberattacks (i.e. your whatever country is clean)? Or is it because in your mind China is the only country not supposed to do so?And with such a "government-sponsored" "coordinated" "highly sophisticated" attack the only thing that Google gave up are two account names and their dates of opening the account? My goodness. If that is the case then Google should be in a triumphant mood of celebration of their mighty security instead of playing cry-baby. Blah-wah-wah, China hacked me and I feel hurt and I am angry. Oh please, give me a break.And what does it have anything to do with content censoring anyway? Google enters into the market fully aware of this and have been tolerating their time for many years. What changed? What pushed it over the edge to do such a sudden high-profiled outcry of censorship? I don't remember reading any new political problem that's worth censoring. However, I remembered in the recent months China has been doing a massive and forceful crackdown on internet porns. And I remembered the government told the engines to filter out the porns. Ah-huh, so that's it. The dots connected. It doesn't require too many brain cells to deduce that Google has become a major porn search engine in China, and its business is hurt tremendously due to the new porn censorship rule laid out by the government. But instead of admit being a looser which will be detrimental to its stock, Google spinned the whole thing on moral grounds - citing only the political censorship which has been there for eons and the everyday-life cyberattacks. This is not only for protecting its stock price but also makes whoever stayed put very costly to fill the void it left behind. Google lacks any basic decency as a corporate citizen, every move of it is mere business calculation.Baidu was brought down briefly by external circumstances right before Google's drama. Certainly a warning to China if it does not give in to Google's demand and beg it to stay then Google and its co-conspirators (try guess who) has the power to bring down China's main search engine and thus its internet as well. And so many of you are still perpetuating the don't-be-evil crap for a company that in the not-too-distant-past saw no evil in doing unauthorized scanning of copyrighted work. You gotta be kidding me.Google is starting to embrace the characteristics of a looser. But more revealingly and pitifully, Google is dirty and is a con. This whole fiasco is just a calculated move. It is loosing in China anyway and so it decided to do a risky gamble - if it can stay, it will certainly gain market share because it can spin that China has agreed at least partially to its terms; and if it must leave, it can still count on the support of the gullible public thus protecting its stock price.It's all business, nothing more and nothing less. And anyone who believes in Google's (or any big corporation's) sense of morality should be kept away from sharp objects and his or her own money.[/citation]

Baidu was hacked by Iranian Cyber Army hackers

 

[sylvia648]

I don't think anyone cares what happens to China. They've worked with the CEO turds over here to shift everything over there and exploit their own people and flush our country down the toilet for quick cash, so fuck them and everyone that works with them.

 

[ndizzletron]

Too bad they're one fifth of the world.

 

[eccentric909]

[citation][nom]CChick[/nom]You make it sound like ur o-holy USA never spied anyone ?Get ur facts straight b4 you talk. Thank you moron.[/citation]

Why don't you add something meaningful to the discussion, instead of just insulting others for their opinions?

 

[wildwell]

So, I guess we'll see if anybody was bluffing.

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]xrodney[/nom]They are not same, but not opposite either. Communists do use teror, they do both jail or shoot people that dont like to be silent sheep in corner. In past 6 decades there was millions of people killed, tortured, put in jail or sent to gulags in siberia in europe just becase they were brave/stupid enough to tell what they dont like to hear. They say communism is government of people, but its actually just few people on top that have all power. This is also one of reasons people in europe got finally fed up enough to start revolution in 90's that just luckily didnt end with army using weapons against it own people except few incidents as it started and went just too strong to fast and whole world was watching. There were few attempts before, but they didnt went that well.There is huge difference in communist idea and reality.[/citation]
You're confusing the people who are trying to represent Communism with the ideals of Communism themselves. Its a similar issue with Islam, you don't want to assume that Islam is all about blowing yourself up just because the terrorists you hear about are mostly Muslim.

Communism has an honorable ideal at the core, mostly out of trying to combat some of the inequities in Capitalism but its application has always gone horribly wrong because people need too much control to implement that kind of system. And guess what happens when you give someone too much control...

 

[tommysch]

[citation][nom]ndizzletron[/nom]Too bad they're one fifth of the world.[/citation]

Everything can be ''Worked out''... If you know what I mean.

 

[razorblaze42]

[citation][nom]xrodney[/nom]They are not same, but not opposite either. Communists do use teror, they do both jail or shoot people that dont like to be silent sheep in corner. In past 6 decades there was millions of people killed, tortured, put in jail or sent to gulags in siberia in europe just becase they were brave/stupid enough to tell what they dont like to hear. They say communism is government of people, but its actually just few people on top that have all power. This is also one of reasons people in europe got finally fed up enough to start revolution in 90's that just luckily didnt end with army using weapons against it own people except few incidents as it started and went just too strong to fast and whole world was watching. There were few attempts before, but they didnt went that well.There is huge difference in communist idea and reality.[/citation]
hmmmmm sounds like America

 

[Guest]

"Google can't go ahead with it, it would take a humongous bite into their sales"
Yeah, we all know that now-a-days the only thing important to large corporations is profit. Nothing is more important to them than that. Nothing! NOTHING!!!! Not any ethics(duh), any laws, your health, the environment, the lives of any animals or people...NOTHING!!!!!!!! Unless it proves unprofitable, Google will not pull out China even if China started nuking other countries, they would just threaten China in order to look good in the eyes of the world (to maintain a wholesome-company image) but then continue business as usual or incognito. It's all in recent history, IBM once sold computer equipment to the Nazis, during the friggin' holocaust!

 

[4trees]

The ability to have uncensored internet is a huge deal to a lot of people regarding international trade. However the recognition of environmentally devastating exotics such as fungal/insect/bacterial species is hardly even reported. This google issue is important to me too but I wish we could be more concerned about tangible impacts with international communities.

 

[Guest]

Good for Google. With the gov't of China having slave labor, of course they are going to be able to produce products cheaply. I do not trust anything that piece of shit gov't says. Google is starting a trend and I encourage everyone not to purchase products made in China until the Chinese gov't stops this stupidity. The gov't is getting rich of its people. Look at the label and see if it is made in China. I do it every day and put it back and continue to look for the product. ABC....anything but china.

 

[may1]

We use google's service=google can watch us.
Google provides service to the chinese people= the governemnt hacks them.

is that justified.