China to Challenge Intel at Chipmaking

[anastacia]

[citation][nom]anastacia[/nom]You see this business relationship is very simple, China is willing to buy but the US is not willing to sell. You lot just imagine this, even if China cannot sell this chip overseas, they still have a monstrous market at home to sell it with the government and people endorsement, they will have the whole market to themselves, Intel and AMD will lose out a huge share of the pie, and it is China we are talking about, a huge country. It is the US's fault here, we are basically shunning the customer, so they are forced to develop their own or buy from other countries. And J-D, about Chinese automobiles, one needs to keep in mind that the Chinese automobile sector only started to rise about 4 years ago and guess what their own national brand already kicked Ford in the ass in their own home market, so far the only two American brands that are dominating in Chinese market is GM and Buicks. But I don't know how long GM and Buicks will stay on the top in China, every domestic sectors in China are rising so fast, their young home brands with government endorsement is making a killing in their own market but also at some overseas market.You see this is a loss situation for the US, the US does not want to export to China, China can just develop their own things, but America on the other hand loses a very very large market. I don't know what the hell the American politicians are thinking. [/citation]

 

[anastacia]

China really has nothing to lose here , it is the US that will lose out if the export restriction is still in place.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I think Intel should go to the US government, smash China in this endevor. Trillions of dollars invested instead of billions, and put China away. Now thats not racist, nor is it capitalist, but thats what were saying here.Its not as if China were Intel. Get it? This is more of a political scenario than a capitalist one. Like what was said, "Intel is keeping a close eye". There you go. China in no way is compelled to obey by business laws. Why not sell to China? Learn a few things, find out how this all plays first. This could kill Intel. Youd like that? AMD would be history long before that. Theres reasons why the government does what it does. Its not merely exchanging money, but, as they say, more about doing business, which China has no restraints, nor true responsibilty in a fair, true market

 

[Jocepher]

"I don't know what the hell the American politicians are thinking." Maybe a war 20 years from now would make US companies profit more than just sell some silicon to them. Why dont keep an treat on horizon of US citizens to justify trilions of dollars spent on "national defense"?

 

[Mante]

Reading all this comments make me feel like american are afraid of china

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Now thats racist

 

[one-shot]

It's Nationalism as in China and US are both nations. Racism is saying a derogatory remark about the people living in Asia or far east. Don't be so ready to say "racism" without knowing what it really means. Shame on you.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Last comment. In the non communist free world, the governments try to seperate businesses from the government itself. This is not the way China functions. The resources of an entire country are greater than any single company. Easy to understand right? Once you cross the barrier of having the government running the businesses, you lose the open market. If China was so good at this, then wed be already buying cpus from them. A monolitic society isnt as effective as a democracy, as has been shown , especially when it comes to tech. Theres a reason why they call developing countries this. It means what it means. If this was such a good idea, communism, then N.Korea would be propering. Its the combination of governments and business that makes the best scenario. If you like communism, go for it. This is what Intel will be fighting, but thats ok, cause we may end up with better cpus. Lucky us

 

[majmac]

Nationalism: The doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other
Racism: The prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

Both 'isms' are predicated on a sense of superiority. More humility will lead to a more peaceful world! And to a more rational debate on this news item! Let us stick to the topic.

Competition is good but I think that the push by the Chinese (communist) government to build its own CPUs is not just based on commercial interests. However, whatever the case it will not do any harm and will spur firms like Intel and (let's not forget) IBM on to greater things. IBM is still the leading patent-acquiring company on the world which means there is a great amount of R&D and innovation happening in their business.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Shame on you for not catching the first racism claim. Nationalism is not racism, but that claim was made earlier, and had gone uncorrected. I agree with you, but I find no shame in my comments in regards to the earlier post, in the terms that that post was framed, nationalism = racism. I dont mean to offend, and I know the difference between nationalism and racism. You took me out of context, and as such, neither of us should be ashamed

 

[one-shot]

I wasn't talking about you jaydee. I was talking about the first one. Sorry for the misscommunication.

 

[frozenlead]

jaydeejohn said it. Did you ever like to play with kids that cheated at games all the time?

 

[NightLight]

I think China is allready more advanced than we think. Intel can't stop it, hell, America can't stop it. It's on the rise, and granted, they're still flawed in the quality of some products, but they do learn from the mistakes they make, and they actually take the time to better themselves. I think the awakened dragon that is China will eat the paper tiger that is America. American jobs are lost to the lower worker costs in other countries. Somehow, they forgot how to make things themselves. (And this is happening all over the world).
Now don't get me wrong, I love America, and I think very highy of it, but they need to get off their asses and show us some proud MADE IN THE USA stuff again!

 

[jimmysmitty]

[citation][nom]techguy101[/nom]wow racism... i thought you CAPITALISTS honor competition... you do know that for capitalism to work you need competition right....thats right china's capitalistic.. look that up....[/citation]

So Capitalistic that they have a dictator and some of the worst human rights in the world. Yep. Thats Capalisim for you.

I think China is looking to create these for just themselves. I would doubt anyone would export them as they would probably not be as efficient or powerful as even the low Celerons/Semprons we have clock per clock since they will be simulating x86 code. Its kinda like what Itanium has to do for x86, simulate it and that never turns out very well.

As for the "racism" comments thats wrong. as one-shot said its putting down a specific race. We are stating that these chips will more than likely be crap compared to say a Core 2 or Phenom/Athlon.

It really doesn't matter how much money China has if they want to make a good chip they will have to license the tech from Intel/IBM/AMD since most of the best tech is patented through them.

[citation][nom]Mante[/nom]Reading all this comments make me feel like american are afraid of china[/citation]

Chinas growth is whats scary. They are growing faster than any other nation ever has. And what they are doing is taking a lot of other countries debt, not just the US, and soon they could very well destroy a nation with that.

[citation][nom]anastacia[/nom]so far the only two American brands that are dominating in Chinese market is GM and Buicks[/citation]

I saw this and laughed and just had to comment. GM and Buick are the same company. GM owns Buick. Under GM its GMC, Cheavy, Buick, Pontiac and Oldsmobile. The same car company cannot be the two dominate players.

Either way I doubt we would just lift the export ban and let Intel/AMD sell CPUs in China. There is a reason for it and we are stuck with it. If we had a importation ban that would screw with China a bit as they rely heavily on the income generated by us buying products made there.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

The US hasnt lost the ability to make things at all, its more the cost of making them. Outsourcing its called. Sometimes supporting the local brand makes sense. This IMHO makes sense to do just that. Im not against China, but Im for real capitalism, and free trade. Thats not how China plays, so a no go from me. The last place Ill shop id wall mart, because of this type of thing. Spend your money elsewhere, it stays elsewhere, spend it close to home, hopefully itll stay there as well

 

[Master Exon]

Ron Paul would have fixed this.

 

[jivdis1x]

China is communist country the last time I check. There is no such thing as intellectual property. There is no Chinese patent office in China. There is a reason why state of the art technology is prohibit from export to China-they'll would take it apart, backward engineer and re-brand it. It's not racism, it's common sense.

The Chinese automobile is a joke. Today's automobile are not made by the same country or company. The majority of the parts are imported and assemble. The company that comes up with the design will have there brand on the vehicle. The Chinese want to produce every parts themselves. To make everything as cheap as possible: end result=soda can. Have you seen the crash test?!

I'm pretty sure that the US is not the only country that has the restriction. When the Chinese government decide to respect and honor intellectual property, is when the restriction be lifted.

 

[dandy]

Nation againts Intel!

 

[Guest]

Why are people screaming racism?

If I said that China is a shit-hole of human rights, with a population that are complete cowards for not daring to stand up to their brutal government(easily proven with facts), would that make me a racist? Patriotism is the dumbest idea ever, you should not ever love your country unconditionally, your country should have to earn AND maintain your love, and China(among other countries) is not worthy of love right now.

 

[goonting]

China's vehicles are more fuel efficient than US. they have strict standards compared to US. Even IBM sold thinkpad/its desktop business to Lenovo to get more money out of china. Try to check your computer parts and you will see most if not all of them are made in china or the Asian countries themselves. It's a fact that they are capable of developing such chips... It matters to us all over the world... more affordable items.

 

[scurvywombat]

Would you stand up Jay-D? Easy to say.

 

[Guest]

usa is not the world ,we need to open our eyes there is a world outside,the real technology is from india ,germany,and japan x86 is a living dino,do u really need 2gb+2cores2duos at 2.0ghz just to run vista almost decent...yup we need to change this way of thinking(bloatware+brute force.....no im not talkin about the iraq thing)...

 

[purpureleaf]

Hi, guys.
Sorry to disappoint you. I am from China.
No it won't happen, if there would be some Chinese company challenging Intel, it won't be "the Chinese Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Computing Technology (ICT) "
If you talk about this with a real Chinese, I mean those LIVE in China, they will simply laugh at you. Every single Chinese IT sites are laughing at their yearly nonsense, again.

The "ICT" is famous on creating nonsense "ideas" to get founding and public notice. They never produced any real computer to market. The so-called chip has being there for at least 5 years. They claimed plans without technical details many times. Well, we (average Chinese) though: OK, lets see.
Then it didn't happen. They published picture of a notebook which was supposed to designed to use the chip, but some found it is actually "using" Mac Book's keyboard.

Conclusion: I am sorry, this organization is a cheater with some government background. Average Chinese knows this.They were 2 or 3 liars like them, all with government or academic background (academic background doesn't have to be complimentary in China, you see what those "professors" are doing).

So I would say many comments here are simply off-topic.
It wasn't average Chinese hate American chip or what, it is simply a well-known cheater trying to get noticed from you.
I am sorry why you guys care these types of crap? If you are really interested in China of PRC-US relation ship, you should listen to normal Chinese, not these liars and activist.
If you are not interested, then you have better reason to ignore it.

If you hate Intel, try promoting AMD. Real Chinese companies have more important stuff to worry about, till now.

 

[Guest]

face the fact .. the world has change .. stop dreaming and get working ..

 

[Guest]

You people should stick to technology and not politics and national security. A lot of the people proposing selling top notch technology to China don't realize that they reverse engineer that and take it as their own. Intel and AMD's R&D costs are used to fuel China's growth. That's retarded. For the same reason the US wll not export F35 Joint Strike Fighter technology to unfriendly nations (and have restrictions on the software even to the UK and Australia), it is nuts to sell them the best of what we have.