News China's first 6nm gaming GPU matches 13-year-old GTX 660 Ti in first Geekbench tests — Lisuan G100 surfaces with 32 CUs, 256MB VRAM, and 300 MHz cl...

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The Lisuan G100 has been spotted on Geekbench (OpenCL), where it outputs performance similar to the GTX 660 Ti. That's largely due to early drivers and silicon.

China's first 6nm gaming GPU matches 13-year-old GTX 660 Ti in first Geekbench tests — Lisuan G100 surfaces with 32 CUs, 256MB VRAM, and 300 MHz cl... : Read more

 

[uplink-svk]

People see this and laugh. I see it and am scared 💩less. Same goes for Russia. We (Europe) need Russia and China for practically everything vital, they need us for fancy stuff like chips and ideas. Once they get their own version of stuff we provide them with, in a decade or two, they won't need us and state we're currently in will leave us destitute.

We Europe really need to become independent, or we'll go down the path of dinosaurs. These are the signs...

 

[1_rick]

I'm not sure why sites report these stories as if they're real. Oh, the maker says, it's a good as a 4060, but it benchmarks at a fraction of that speed, and this keeps happening.

 

[Ryan_257]

People see this and laugh. I see it and am scared 💩less. Same goes for Russia. We (Europe) need Russia and China for practically everything vital, they need us for fancy stuff like chips and ideas. Once they get their own version of stuff we provide them with, in a decade or two, they won't need us and state we're currently in will leave us destitute.

We Europe really need to become independent, or we'll go down the path of dinosaurs. These are the signs...

Yeah, pretty good performance for not having as much experience as AMD and NVIDIA in GPU design. It really is a matter of time before parity is achieved and possible them passing us up.

 

[Ryan_257]

I'm not sure why sites report these stories as if they're real. Oh, the maker says, it's a good as a 4060, but it benchmarks at a fraction of that speed, and this keeps happening.

They'll keep at it, nothing to lose.
They've done well with other tech from the West - cars, jets, space, pharma... GPUs are next.

 

[bit_user]

I'm not sure why sites report these stories as if they're real. Oh, the maker says, it's a good as a 4060, but it benchmarks at a fraction of that speed, and this keeps happening.

In this case, the results cited aren't flattering. Also, they're reporting on Geekbench scores, in the Geekbench repo. So, that is at least backed by some actual data, rather than mere claims.

A key detail that's missing is whether this is just another licensed IP (like Moore Threads) or whether it was entirely homegrown.

 

[bit_user]

Yeah, pretty good performance for not having as much experience as AMD and NVIDIA in GPU design. It really is a matter of time before parity is achieved and possible them passing us up.

I wouldn't discount either their progress or their potential, but I think it's telling how the mighty Intel has struggled to catch the GPUs of AMD and Nvidia. So, no. I don't expect them to achieve anything close to parity, in the near future. Remember that neither Nvidia nor AMD are standing still - they're both moving as fast as they can, which makes it incredibly hard for someone to actually catch them!

But, they don't actually need parity. For now, they just need something that's a usable alternative to the Western-based products.

 

[ivan_vy]

But, they don't actually need parity. For now, they just need something that's a usable alternative to the Western-based products.

this, these GPUs just need to be 'good enough' for what the are made for, TVs, set top boxes, android consoles, airport and restaurant banners, millions of devices and revenue that will not be in west companies; for anything else (AI, surveillance, military, power users) they can always smuggle while they wait for 'good enough' alternatives.

 

[Amdlova]

Chinese ctrl C not working anymore...
This show how good intel gpus are.

 

[BFG-9000]

these GPUs just need to be 'good enough' for what the are made for

Will they have Win XP drivers? Many of those Chinese Cybercafes are still using XP and even YlmF (the company behind YlmF OS/StartOS which was a very XP themed Ubuntu) switched to updating pirated "Ghost Windows XP" instead, for 7 years now.

I guess their copy wasn't 'good enough' so they switched to continuing security updates for the original. Maybe that also explains all the fake GPUs made from e-waste too, using genuine used Fermi chips. As good as Kepler should at least be better than those, right?

 

[reaperofchange]

What will happen when china passes us? Well we will just play their game of copy the tech. Maybe when china does pass us they can start doing their part in the world of trying to help keep order so people can live without fear of terror attacks. But most likely they will just continue to be obsessed with beating everyones records in everything just to act like children about it that havent grown up. No humbleness just straight to the ol gradeschool na na na na na na we are better than you because of (insert irrelivant subject here) justto feel like theyre worth something more than others. They dont understand that everyones equal and noones more important just because they come from somewhere, we are all from earth. This current gloating they do on everything isnt really upsetting in how they think it does. Its more showing their true character and how they fail to prove they are better people than any other nation, especially the usa the ones they are actively obssesive compulsive disorder in essense trying to do what we can do to make us proud of them or something i guess, but they think stealing the tech is at all honorable or anything to be proud of. Yeah they may build it, but the only quality coming out of there is the stuff that foreign countries either contract out to them to manufacture, thus the foreign deal maker will be paying for the quality material, and requires it to be built with a specific standard of quality, and outside that, basically they can only produce barely works i wanna say crap but even that seems to have longer and better uses than something coming from there thats not from a deal for a product they make for a foreign company. And then they just steal the tech like there will be no consequence. Oh there will be though. May not be today, but itll come back 100 fold and really nip them.

 

[reaperofchange]

Lol they cant handle criticism either, they forced my name to be changed wow

 

[reaperofchange]

All good though. I hope they are successful and dont resort to reverting societys progress. Thats the only thing i dont want china doing is bringing more problems to the world. We can work together and compete to goal stones and im fine with that. Its the destruction and disrupting peace for future generations that neither of us should want inthe future. We all need our leaders to grow up and quit this tit for tat and our peoples need to grow up and quit being condescending to eachother just because of prejudices tought to us by our political controllers and the curriculums they feed us. Ive seen what both sides are doing and currently not good for eithers futures.

 

[das_stig]

25 years back you would say Chinese cars were a joke and only good enough for their own market and those of other 3rd world/Communist countries, now they are threatening to put western and even SK/Japanese manufacturers too shame and out of business.

China has looked, listened, partnered, copied, stolen and its people have been forced to sacrifice a lot and quietly let the west use it to destroy its own manufacturing, in the drive for cheap mass production and profits, now they are coming out of the shadows and the west is panicking to contain them.

 

[YSCCC]

Now the legitimate question: But can it run Crysis?

 

[bit_user]

They dont understand that everyones equal and noones more important just because they come from somewhere, we are all from earth.

People who say "can't we all just get along?" apparently never learned about Darwinian evolution. It describes a system that naturally favors those who are a little more competitive than others. Over time, that builds up and acts to squelch out the less competitive ones while promoting the competitive ones and their imitators and offspring. You can see this sort of dynamic play out anywhere that competition can occur, whether it's genetic evolution or a capitalistic system.

Also, at just a human level, it's easy to get along when there are enough resources for everyone. Once you start to encounter resource scarcity, then the knives come out. It's just human nature. Ignore that at your peril.

As for the rest of your post, I'd just caution against over-generalizing and using simplistic characterizations of large numbers of people. It's one thing to describe a nation state, which does indeed have policies and official priorities that can potentially fit a straight-forward narrative. Far greater nuance and insight must be used, when describing a culture. The latter is something I wouldn't attempt to do without in-depth knowledge and IMO generally best left to scholars like sociologists.

 

[bit_user]

Lol they cant handle criticism either, they forced my name to be changed wow

The moderators at this site basically just enforce site rules. I suspect that was the issue.

 

[BFG-9000]

Darwinian evolution.

Mao killed most of the smart people in the country during my lifetime, in his Cultural Revolution. It's going to take some time for genetic drift to make smart people there commonplace again, as it's only been two generations since this artificial selection. I'd say they are doing quite well, considering.

This of course did not include the diaspora who left before this event, including to Taiwan.

I know it's probably hard for modern people to believe, but China used to be one of the most moral societies in the world, and what we see now is the result of only 75 years of communism.

 

[BFG-9000]

quietly let the west use it to destroy its own manufacturing

We have our own dumb people too, especially at General Motors

 

[bit_user]

Mao killed most of the smart people in the country during my lifetime, in his Cultural Revolution. It's going to take some time for genetic drift to make smart people there commonplace again, as it's only been two generations since this artificial selection. I'd say they are doing quite well, considering.

Without getting into a debate over that, I'd just point out that it was educated elites that got singled out. This is only a subset of the total number of "smart" people. I don't dispute the impact on a cultural, societal, and even institutional level, but I'm quite skeptical the gene pool was significantly altered. It's definitely the sort of claim that would warrant some solid evidence to back up.

 

[YSCCC]

Without getting into a debate over that, I'd just point out that it was educated elites that got singled out. This is only a subset of the total number of "smart" people. I don't dispute the impact on a cultural, societal, and even institutional level, but I'm quite skeptical the gene pool was significantly altered. It's definitely the sort of claim that would warrant some solid evidence to back up.

Actually, the issue is not intelligence, but more of a "culture" thing, post Mao China have a culture of worshipping and not questioning your senior, and schools, including top universities and their post graduate scheme basically is in the culture of "sacred-tize" their teacher's work/theory, so innovations are usually non-existence, but they study minute details well, so copying is of pretty high efficiency, plus the policies over China don't promote Intellectual property and rewards those "great leap forwards", so the foundations for innovation is weak, but say, utilizing western design software and foundaries to design quite good chips like how their smartphone SoCs .

 

[1_rick]

They'll keep at it, nothing to lose.
They've done well with other tech from the West - cars, jets, space, pharma... GPUs are next.

I'm sure they'll catch up. But my point is the media, both Eastern and Western (WCCFTech does this too) credulously report every ridiculous claim like this, that the article immediately undercuts. But most people don't read articles, so they tend to believe the headline.

 

[ivan_vy]

Will they have Win XP drivers? Many of those Chinese Cybercafes are still using XP and even YlmF (the company behind YlmF OS/StartOS which was a very XP themed Ubuntu) switched to updating pirated "Ghost Windows XP" instead, for 7 years now.

I guess their copy wasn't 'good enough' so they switched to continuing security updates for the original. Maybe that also explains all the fake GPUs made from e-waste too, using genuine used Fermi chips. As good as Kepler should at least be better than those, right?

somehow you proved XP is good enough, many people play old games online and stream video, a smartphone or and old PC can make it, it's 'good enough'. Millions of users don't need cutting edge technology and providers need a source of cheap alternatives, here these slow chips fit, economy of scale.

 

[ivan_vy]

Now the legitimate question: But can it run Crysis?

I bet LowSpecGamer can make it run

 

[ivan_vy]

25 years back you would say Chinese cars were a joke and only good enough for their own market and those of other 3rd world/Communist countries, now they are threatening to put western and even SK/Japanese manufacturers too shame and out of business.

China has looked, listened, partnered, copied, stolen and its people have been forced to sacrifice a lot and quietly let the west use it to destroy its own manufacturing, in the drive for cheap mass production and profits, now they are coming out of the shadows and the west is panicking to contain them.

Operation Paperclip...without the WW2