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Chinese Factory Workers Write to Steve Jobs
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Who cares?
This is why Unions suck which prevents America from competing with China and other such countries! Those pesky worker rights, work hour limits, safety requirements, minimal pay all get in the way of progress.
We also should go back to 1950s tax rates too!
This is why Unions suck which prevents America from competing with China and other such countries! Those pesky worker rights, work hour limits, safety requirements, minimal pay all get in the way of progress.
We also should go back to 1950s tax rates too!
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Most American companies only know one thing - the bottom line. The CEO's of those companies know nothing of respect for the individuals who made them some of the "richest" people in the world. Why on Earth would Jobs or Apple apologize to any worker injured putting them on top of the world? They would rather remodel their offices instead of doing the right thing.
PS - I'm an American.
PS - I'm an American.
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[citation][nom]Belardo[/nom]Who cares?This is why Unions suck which prevents America from competing with China and other such countries! Those pesky worker rights, work hour limits, safety requirements, minimal pay all get in the way of progress.We also should go back to 1950s tax rates too![/citation]
And you? You sound like the one doing the whipping rather than being whipped. Perhaps you should try the other side for once in your life. Did your parents birth you with a silver spoon already in your mouth?
I think you are spouting a lot of BS. The only reason we "cannot compete" is because we are sending all of our business to China rather than keeping it on our own turf. China would not be where it is unless Americans put it there. If we just stopped having stuff produced in China, China would fall flat on its face.
And why are we sending all our business to China? In pursuit of the all mighty dollar bill - the Holy Grail of capitalism that is causing its downfall.
Crawl back under a rock, troll, instead of hailing those who cause injury to others.
And you? You sound like the one doing the whipping rather than being whipped. Perhaps you should try the other side for once in your life. Did your parents birth you with a silver spoon already in your mouth?
I think you are spouting a lot of BS. The only reason we "cannot compete" is because we are sending all of our business to China rather than keeping it on our own turf. China would not be where it is unless Americans put it there. If we just stopped having stuff produced in China, China would fall flat on its face.
And why are we sending all our business to China? In pursuit of the all mighty dollar bill - the Holy Grail of capitalism that is causing its downfall.
Crawl back under a rock, troll, instead of hailing those who cause injury to others.
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Apple "supposedly" has one of the highest working standards around, but that doesn't take into account who makes their products for them.
Either way, people are like sheep to Apple and almost every large company out there, they buy and build their products/services to a high standard/price and sell them back to more people for $$$.
Either way, people are like sheep to Apple and almost every large company out there, they buy and build their products/services to a high standard/price and sell them back to more people for $$$.
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Something many are forgetting is that Apple is not their employer.
They're more than likely Foxconn employees.
I actually would love to blame Apple and Steve Jobs for their conditions, but it's just not that simple.
Anyways, I hope Apple can perhaps put some pressure on Foxconn to at least provide some kind of compensation for work caused health issues.
They're more than likely Foxconn employees.
I actually would love to blame Apple and Steve Jobs for their conditions, but it's just not that simple.
Anyways, I hope Apple can perhaps put some pressure on Foxconn to at least provide some kind of compensation for work caused health issues.
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Wiyosaya: Not sure you read my post right.
If Corp. America degrades our workforce to sub-standard levels... then we too can compete with China, India, etc. I mean it in an insulting way in that jobs and products are sent over-seas so the company makes money.
If ALL jobs (manufacturing, support, information) is exported overseas.... then WHAT is it that WE DO to make money to buy the crap we want?
Guess who shot down the bill to tax companies who send jobs overseas?
There is a video-article (I think its on ABC) in which they removed every non-American item out of a family house. Everything was gone! It took a lot of work to replace most of that stuff with USA items.
It is said (if I remember this right) that if Americans spent 1% more a day on American products, it would generate 200,000 jobs. So if 10% more spending on American happened... that would be over 2million jobs.
How about that A-Hole Gov. Walker of Wisconsin? He's a scam artist and its all about making money and money for his friends. Lets see, first thing he did - give tax breaks to business which... created the $3billion budget short-fall he's bitchin about. Those teachers gave up their money to pay for it... what a rip.
This is the SAME jerk who fired all the Milwaukee city's security (he had to fight for it, and then he just simply DID it) - HIRED a UK Security contractor to replace those jobs. The city is sued for lying about the saving and reasons for the firing (illegal firing) and has re-hired all the OLD guards... with BACK pay. And because of the contract... they have to PAY the UK company money too!
So much for the savings, they are already $500,000+ in the hole because of Walker... and that moron wants to do it on a state level with education?
PS: because how he's moving around money in the state, he's going to cost the state an additional $30 million in debt in the next few months.
Then there is CRY-BABY Boehner who says "SO BE IT", if there cutting plans will mean the loss of 800,000+ American jobs. The job loss would of course hurt the economy, taxes and in return = a LOSS of income for the country.
Oh well... SO BE IT! "Your Fired!".
If Corp. America degrades our workforce to sub-standard levels... then we too can compete with China, India, etc. I mean it in an insulting way in that jobs and products are sent over-seas so the company makes money.
If ALL jobs (manufacturing, support, information) is exported overseas.... then WHAT is it that WE DO to make money to buy the crap we want?
Guess who shot down the bill to tax companies who send jobs overseas?
There is a video-article (I think its on ABC) in which they removed every non-American item out of a family house. Everything was gone! It took a lot of work to replace most of that stuff with USA items.
It is said (if I remember this right) that if Americans spent 1% more a day on American products, it would generate 200,000 jobs. So if 10% more spending on American happened... that would be over 2million jobs.
How about that A-Hole Gov. Walker of Wisconsin? He's a scam artist and its all about making money and money for his friends. Lets see, first thing he did - give tax breaks to business which... created the $3billion budget short-fall he's bitchin about. Those teachers gave up their money to pay for it... what a rip.
This is the SAME jerk who fired all the Milwaukee city's security (he had to fight for it, and then he just simply DID it) - HIRED a UK Security contractor to replace those jobs. The city is sued for lying about the saving and reasons for the firing (illegal firing) and has re-hired all the OLD guards... with BACK pay. And because of the contract... they have to PAY the UK company money too!
So much for the savings, they are already $500,000+ in the hole because of Walker... and that moron wants to do it on a state level with education?
PS: because how he's moving around money in the state, he's going to cost the state an additional $30 million in debt in the next few months.
Then there is CRY-BABY Boehner who says "SO BE IT", if there cutting plans will mean the loss of 800,000+ American jobs. The job loss would of course hurt the economy, taxes and in return = a LOSS of income for the country.
Oh well... SO BE IT! "Your Fired!".
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If this is the way that a company wishes to operate to make a profit than that is their decision. They can't pass along blame. They have been able to undercut everyone and now they pay the price for it. This needs to happen so we can get an equalization of work forces and labor cost.
[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]Most American companies only know one thing - the bottom line. The CEO's of those companies know nothing of respect for the individuals who made them some of the "richest" people in the world. Why on Earth would Jobs or Apple apologize to any worker injured putting them on top of the world? They would rather remodel their offices instead of doing the right thing.PS - I'm an American.[/citation]
Dont be a moron. What does Steve J. have to do with a manufacturing company in China. Apple orders, the parts as all the other companies, including, Microsoft, HP, Dell... It's the Owners and Senior management of those companies who should read that letter. Apple has nothing to do with it... I guess they can discontinue their business with the Chinese manufacturer, but that will not better the life of those workers.
Also where do you think those shoes you are wearing and the keyboard you are typing on is made? It's one thing to feel with this workers but being a hypocrite will not get you anywhere.
Dont be a moron. What does Steve J. have to do with a manufacturing company in China. Apple orders, the parts as all the other companies, including, Microsoft, HP, Dell... It's the Owners and Senior management of those companies who should read that letter. Apple has nothing to do with it... I guess they can discontinue their business with the Chinese manufacturer, but that will not better the life of those workers.
Also where do you think those shoes you are wearing and the keyboard you are typing on is made? It's one thing to feel with this workers but being a hypocrite will not get you anywhere.
[citation][nom]smeker[/nom]Dont be a moron. What does Steve J. have to do with a manufacturing company in China.[/citation]
Before calling people morons you probably should learn some basic English skills. You're missing a question mark if you still don't understand.
But Apple absolutely knows who is producing the parts for its products and how they treat their employees. No other electronic company pays as close attention to detail as Apple does so to assume they aren't aware of the human rights abuses at the plants that produce the products they buy then you're kidding yourself.
Many companies have focused on ensuring employees are treated well and have a safe place to work in China. Not because they are moral companies but because unlike Apple they are run by people smart enough to want to not be the company in the newspapers that has factory workers killing themselves due to dire working conditions.
Apple shares as much blame as the people running the factories, to shift blame away from Apple is disingenuous and just flat out ignorant.
This is a good reason why I avoid Chinese made products as much as possible. I'll gladly pay more to support products made in democratic countries. That is why I chose to buy a Samsung monitor instead of an Asus monitor. Definitely worth the $50 extra to support democracy.
Before calling people morons you probably should learn some basic English skills. You're missing a question mark if you still don't understand.
But Apple absolutely knows who is producing the parts for its products and how they treat their employees. No other electronic company pays as close attention to detail as Apple does so to assume they aren't aware of the human rights abuses at the plants that produce the products they buy then you're kidding yourself.
Many companies have focused on ensuring employees are treated well and have a safe place to work in China. Not because they are moral companies but because unlike Apple they are run by people smart enough to want to not be the company in the newspapers that has factory workers killing themselves due to dire working conditions.
Apple shares as much blame as the people running the factories, to shift blame away from Apple is disingenuous and just flat out ignorant.
This is a good reason why I avoid Chinese made products as much as possible. I'll gladly pay more to support products made in democratic countries. That is why I chose to buy a Samsung monitor instead of an Asus monitor. Definitely worth the $50 extra to support democracy.
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[citation][nom]subgum[/nom]Something many are forgetting is that Apple is not their employer. They're more than likely Foxconn employees.I actually would love to blame Apple and Steve Jobs for their conditions, but it's just not that simple.Anyways, I hope Apple can perhaps put some pressure on Foxconn to at least provide some kind of compensation for work caused health issues.[/citation]
If you read the article, you would know that they are Wintek employees.
If you read the article, you would know that they are Wintek employees.
[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]And you? You sound like the one doing the whipping rather than being whipped. Perhaps you should try the other side for once in your life. Did your parents birth you with a silver spoon already in your mouth?I think you are spouting a lot of BS. The only reason we "cannot compete" is because we are sending all of our business to China rather than keeping it on our own turf. China would not be where it is unless Americans put it there. If we just stopped having stuff produced in China, China would fall flat on its face.And why are we sending all our business to China? In pursuit of the all mighty dollar bill - the Holy Grail of capitalism that is causing its downfall.Crawl back under a rock, troll, instead of hailing those who cause injury to others.[/citation]
yea, lets put it this way, unions ruin out factory work. a union will froce employers to meet dumb demands. here is an example from my dad. there is an old guy working where he works, basically an industrial plumber, he gets payed a crap ton and does almost nothing all day. he cant be fired because of old age and poorer performance than the young counterpart, who makes less.
unions help allot of people but for every 1 they help, they screw over 5 more.
a while back the union was preparing to go on strike for one reason, they wanted more benefits. they already had DAMN nice benefits, but they wanted more, and this would have cost several people my dad knew their homes, for NOTHING.
employers should do only 2 things, give fair benefits, and give incentive ised pay on top of hourly minimum, it gives hard workers more money, and a bare minimum for people who just want to do the bare minimum.
[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]Most American companies only know one thing - the bottom line. The CEO's of those companies know nothing of respect for the individuals who made them some of the "richest" people in the world. Why on Earth would Jobs or Apple apologize to any worker injured putting them on top of the world? They would rather remodel their offices instead of doing the right thing.PS - I'm an American.[/citation]
the right thing on the open market is to the share holders. many ceos if they dont make the bad decisions risk being kicked out of their office (with pay but still) if they make the wrong money choice, and if they make the right one, they may still be kicked out.
you get nothing about how corpertions work and the decisions they are forced to make. lets see you make the decision between good for the share holders wallet and good for the workers, either way you go, you could get kicked out.
yea, lets put it this way, unions ruin out factory work. a union will froce employers to meet dumb demands. here is an example from my dad. there is an old guy working where he works, basically an industrial plumber, he gets payed a crap ton and does almost nothing all day. he cant be fired because of old age and poorer performance than the young counterpart, who makes less.
unions help allot of people but for every 1 they help, they screw over 5 more.
a while back the union was preparing to go on strike for one reason, they wanted more benefits. they already had DAMN nice benefits, but they wanted more, and this would have cost several people my dad knew their homes, for NOTHING.
employers should do only 2 things, give fair benefits, and give incentive ised pay on top of hourly minimum, it gives hard workers more money, and a bare minimum for people who just want to do the bare minimum.
[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]Most American companies only know one thing - the bottom line. The CEO's of those companies know nothing of respect for the individuals who made them some of the "richest" people in the world. Why on Earth would Jobs or Apple apologize to any worker injured putting them on top of the world? They would rather remodel their offices instead of doing the right thing.PS - I'm an American.[/citation]
the right thing on the open market is to the share holders. many ceos if they dont make the bad decisions risk being kicked out of their office (with pay but still) if they make the wrong money choice, and if they make the right one, they may still be kicked out.
you get nothing about how corpertions work and the decisions they are forced to make. lets see you make the decision between good for the share holders wallet and good for the workers, either way you go, you could get kicked out.
[citation][nom]aaron88_7[/nom]That is why I chose to buy a Samsung monitor instead of an Asus monitor. Definitely worth the $50 extra to support democracy.[/citation]
I'm afraid you've been wasting your money. ASUS is located in the Republic of China/Taiwan. Taiwan IS a democracy.
I'm afraid you've been wasting your money. ASUS is located in the Republic of China/Taiwan. Taiwan IS a democracy.
Ditto on Samsung. Also Blackberry, which builds in Canada or Mexico. Thus far all my Blackberries have been made in Canada.
Nokia supposedly runs a clean ship.
Nokia supposedly runs a clean ship.
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]yea, lets put it this way, unions ruin out factory work. a union will froce employers to meet dumb demands. here is an example from my dad. there is an old guy working where he works, basically an industrial plumber, he gets payed a crap ton and does almost nothing all day. he cant be fired because of old age and poorer performance than the young counterpart, who makes less. unions help allot of people but for every 1 they help, they screw over 5 more.[/citation]
Dude, it's plumbing. If you've dedicated your life to cleaning people's sh*t clogged pipes then you'd want some decent pay also. If someone younger doesn't like the work there is absolutely nothing stopping them from going to college so they don't have to work such a crappy job the rest of their life. The old guy doesn't have that option.
How much pay is "a crap ton" anyway? Plumbing is pretty much one of the lowest paid jobs around so I'm curious what you think is a lot. It doesn't sound like you even work yourself so I doubt you would have any clue what a decent wage is anyway.
Oh and keen, my Samsung monitor is f-ing amazing. Waste of money? Pfft, yea right! Asus has got nothing on Samsung!
Dude, it's plumbing. If you've dedicated your life to cleaning people's sh*t clogged pipes then you'd want some decent pay also. If someone younger doesn't like the work there is absolutely nothing stopping them from going to college so they don't have to work such a crappy job the rest of their life. The old guy doesn't have that option.
How much pay is "a crap ton" anyway? Plumbing is pretty much one of the lowest paid jobs around so I'm curious what you think is a lot. It doesn't sound like you even work yourself so I doubt you would have any clue what a decent wage is anyway.
Oh and keen, my Samsung monitor is f-ing amazing. Waste of money? Pfft, yea right! Asus has got nothing on Samsung!
Wouldn't the Chinese workers be better off if they talk to the Wintek Plant owner, or to have their government look after them? Why would they demand apologies from ONLY Steve Jobs.
It's strange that the only people that the Chinese workers can reach out as if they might possibly be able to reach out to someone, might be Steve Jobs. Could they say the same thing if they were trying to do the same with the CEO's of Wintek or the Chinese government?
It's strange that the only people that the Chinese workers can reach out as if they might possibly be able to reach out to someone, might be Steve Jobs. Could they say the same thing if they were trying to do the same with the CEO's of Wintek or the Chinese government?
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" should provide extra pay for health issues" So that means it would be ok to work in say a asbestos plant if you got paid $1000/hour without masks or modern safety gear? How about a cleaning job at the old Chernoble plant for $5,000/hour? How about I pay you 2 million to be paralyzed but you still get to live? This has nothing to do with money but rather people want to work without getting ill from work no matter what the pay is. If you made say a million dollars doing cleanup at the Chernoble plant you cant enjoy spending the money from the grave or spending you last days in pain in hospital care.
There are some things not worth any amount of money.
If I work 16 hours a day for 6 days a week is there any point in even living? This could explain the thoughts people who have passed away at foxconn.
People will eventually figure out they have nothing left to loose, even if they die fighting. Can i say civil war?
There are some things not worth any amount of money.
If I work 16 hours a day for 6 days a week is there any point in even living? This could explain the thoughts people who have passed away at foxconn.
People will eventually figure out they have nothing left to loose, even if they die fighting. Can i say civil war?
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