chkdsk

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John, I don't find the instructions for chkdsk clear.
Running it several times, first it finds and fixes
misplaced or stranded files and deletes some, finally
all is apparently clear, but then running Seagate's
SeaTools, that finds one bad sector.Repeating that
test, the bad sector remains. Is chkdsk saying that
there is nothing for it to fix any more, and the bad
sector that *is* there has been marked and taken out
of service?
Bill Lurie

 

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Pure and simple, chkdsk is not very robust. It might find and fix a bad
sector but it does tend to miss a lot of things that are found by more
robust tools. I would tend to believe SeaTools or any manufacturer's hard
drive diagnostic or chkdsk. My experience is, when I've run into a
diagnostic turning up bad sectors, even one, it's not long before the drive
starts to fail. Generally, this is an early warning sign.

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"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> John, I don't find the instructions for chkdsk clear.
> Running it several times, first it finds and fixes
> misplaced or stranded files and deletes some, finally
> all is apparently clear, but then running Seagate's
> SeaTools, that finds one bad sector.Repeating that
> test, the bad sector remains. Is chkdsk saying that
> there is nothing for it to fix any more, and the bad
> sector that *is* there has been marked and taken out
> of service?
> Bill Lurie

 

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Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) wrote:
> Pure and simple, chkdsk is not very robust. It might find and fix a bad
> sector but it does tend to miss a lot of things that are found by more
> robust tools. I would tend to believe SeaTools or any manufacturer's hard
> drive diagnostic or chkdsk. My experience is, when I've run into a
> diagnostic turning up bad sectors, even one, it's not long before the drive
> starts to fail. Generally, this is an early warning sign.
>
Thank you, Michael. SeaTools itself is confusing, at least to me.
I don't expect anything to actually repair the bad little piece of
hardware, but I recall that some tools will attempt to move whatever
data is in that sector, to an unused sector, and permanently mark
the affected sector as unusable, locked out, or whatever. It isn't
clear to me that either SeaTools, WD's Data Lifeguard tools, or
chkdsk, do this effectively. What does not surprise me is that
a tiny percentage of a physical drive with 80 billion bytes of storage,
mass-produced and selling at bargain prices, will develop problems in
a reasonably short time.

I expect more of this sort of thing to happen, as more and more
gets squeezed into smaller spaces, and maybe my fanatic attitude toward
exact backup will become more understandable.

-- Bill Lurie

 

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If chkdsk finds the sector, it will try to move the data off of it and will
mark it unusable. Other tools will do that as well, assuming they see the
sector. It's possible SeaTools is doing that as well and the warning it may
be giving you might simply be the same sector that it is finding, unusable
or not. You would need to check their documentation as to what it does with
any data it finds.

My experience is, usually they are just fragments mixed with a lot of
machine code. Sometimes it may help you piece together a lost file but the
overall file created of such data is generally useless otherwise.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) wrote:
>> Pure and simple, chkdsk is not very robust. It might find and fix a bad
>> sector but it does tend to miss a lot of things that are found by more
>> robust tools. I would tend to believe SeaTools or any manufacturer's
>> hard drive diagnostic or chkdsk. My experience is, when I've run into a
>> diagnostic turning up bad sectors, even one, it's not long before the
>> drive starts to fail. Generally, this is an early warning sign.
>>
> Thank you, Michael. SeaTools itself is confusing, at least to me.
> I don't expect anything to actually repair the bad little piece of
> hardware, but I recall that some tools will attempt to move whatever data
> is in that sector, to an unused sector, and permanently mark
> the affected sector as unusable, locked out, or whatever. It isn't
> clear to me that either SeaTools, WD's Data Lifeguard tools, or
> chkdsk, do this effectively. What does not surprise me is that
> a tiny percentage of a physical drive with 80 billion bytes of storage,
> mass-produced and selling at bargain prices, will develop problems in
> a reasonably short time.
>
> I expect more of this sort of thing to happen, as more and more
> gets squeezed into smaller spaces, and maybe my fanatic attitude toward
> exact backup will become more understandable.
>
> -- Bill Lurie

 

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Yhanks again, Michael. I'm waiting for Seagate to tell
me what they actually 'repair'.
WBL

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) wrote:
> If chkdsk finds the sector, it will try to move the data off of it and will
> mark it unusable. Other tools will do that as well, assuming they see the
> sector. It's possible SeaTools is doing that as well and the warning it may
> be giving you might simply be the same sector that it is finding, unusable
> or not. You would need to check their documentation as to what it does with
> any data it finds.
>
> My experience is, usually they are just fragments mixed with a lot of
> machine code. Sometimes it may help you piece together a lost file but the
> overall file created of such data is generally useless otherwise.
>


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William B. Lurie

 

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You're welcome.

I've never seen anything that actually "repairs" a bad sector. Usually, the
utility just marks it bad and it is no longer used. But, as I said, my
experience is, this is usually a sign the drive is going to fail and I begin
making preparations and then get a replacement drive.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> Yhanks again, Michael. I'm waiting for Seagate to tell
> me what they actually 'repair'.
> WBL
>
> Michael Solomon (MS-MVP) wrote:
>> If chkdsk finds the sector, it will try to move the data off of it and
>> will mark it unusable. Other tools will do that as well, assuming they
>> see the sector. It's possible SeaTools is doing that as well and the
>> warning it may be giving you might simply be the same sector that it is
>> finding, unusable or not. You would need to check their documentation as
>> to what it does with any data it finds.
>>
>> My experience is, usually they are just fragments mixed with a lot of
>> machine code. Sometimes it may help you piece together a lost file but
>> the overall file created of such data is generally useless otherwise.
>>
>
>
> --
> William B. Lurie