I've read a lot of the posts. Seems FOP32 is a winner for cooling Athlon. I'm getting ready to take the plunge... Seems the Thermaltake Chrome Orb (coolerguys.com) is quieter, lighter, and moves almost as much air. Any reflections? Noise is an issue to me...
fop38 is prolly the best performer you'll find, but the chrome orb is quite respectable imho. I used one and got my duron700 to 1gig no problem. Using a super orb right now, and it's really nice as well.
Do you feel that the chrome orb is definitely quiter than the fop?
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I've had both and am sticking with the fop38 (more powerful and louder than the fop32)
The fop32 will probably be a little louder than the chrome orb. But orb's suck...er....blow.....er.....they are just poor hsf's.
stick with either fop's or the alpha pal.
The fop32 will probably be a little louder than the chrome orb. But orb's suck...er....blow.....er.....they are just poor hsf's.
stick with either fop's or the alpha pal.
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If you have no intention of overclocking, the chrome orb should be fine, but the DP5-6H11 found on www.coolermaster.com works a bit better for me (about 2-3C cooler). If you want to overclock, go for a FOP32 or FOP38, but be prepared for the vacuum noise, you would still hear it if it is in a seperate room, door closed and watching TV LOL.
I have a chrome orb and I definitely think it is the best noise/performance ratio you can get. I have a duron 650@900 at 52 C idle and 58C max load. Completely stable. If you ask me, the FOP 32 will only get you an extra 50-100 mhz (maybe) if you processor can handle it and it is noticeably louder. I enjoy my peace since I live in a small college apartment right next to my always running computer. If your CPU is in another room and you shut it off when you are done playing, go ahead and get the FOP, its not really all that bad.
The cheaper-quieter Taisol CEK733092 outperforms it.
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Unless you live in the Sahara where the outside temp is +40"C, I'd say your Chrome Orb kinda sucks. My Duron650@950 runs 41"C idle and 48"C on max load with a simple Coolermaster DP5-5H51. The roomtemp is 21"C with these scores. The noise this little HSF produces is neglectable.
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I'll admit that the Chrome Orb isn't the best but there is not really a 10C difference. There could be a few things causing this.
1. I have a crapy OEM case with no extra fans besides the ps.
2. I use the A7V which reads (nobody has exactly clarified how much of this is in estimation problems or if the board is just hotter) significantly higher temperature than the rest of the boards.
3. I am using the regular thermal tape, nothing special.
Besides that, I could just be wrong.
In my defense, I bought the chrome orb when I was drunk. But, I do know that the chrome orb has many happy customers including me and offers sufficient noise and performance.
Even if it is not the best it hardly sucks. It gets the job done.
1. I have a crapy OEM case with no extra fans besides the ps.
2. I use the A7V which reads (nobody has exactly clarified how much of this is in estimation problems or if the board is just hotter) significantly higher temperature than the rest of the boards.
3. I am using the regular thermal tape, nothing special.
Besides that, I could just be wrong.
In my defense, I bought the chrome orb when I was drunk. But, I do know that the chrome orb has many happy customers including me and offers sufficient noise and performance.
Even if it is not the best it hardly sucks. It gets the job done.
If you could measure core temp on a T-bird, wtih a 1ghz 1.8V processor, you'd see an 8-10C lower core temp with a taisol than you would with the c-orb.
Socket thermistor readings are highly compressed in nature and in effect, so temp changes aren't measured effectively.
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Inflowdirect has the 733092 and the CGK742092
Nerdsbyte only has the CGK.
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i've got a chrome orb and it does well. my 800mhz. duron stays around 39c. @800mhz. i haven't overclocked but i think that i've got a little room. and for 12$ what more can you ask for? i can't hear mine over my case fans, so i couldn't comment on the noise. you can look at lord kyro's review on this site but don't read his commentary. he says the chrome orb is below average, but in his test scores they are right in the middle.?? not really scientific but it will give you some sort of comparison.
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I'm sure you've made your purchase by now. I purchased one of the chrome orbs and ended up putting the stock HSF back on. The chrome orb was 2C hotter! I tried it with the pad and with thermal paste and it was still hotter. Sure is nice to look at though. <sigh> Oh, Athlon 850, two aux fans, two 7200 HDs, Radeon, burner & DVD on the system in a midtower case = 61C.
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This is true everyone is hungup on how cool they look and not the performance they provide. Poeple rant and rave how good that they are when they only provide midgrade perfomance.
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i think anything orb sucks. it's just an attractive design to lure buyers...
if you can spare 50-100 bucks, get the hedgehog all copper heatsink with the same delta fan used in fop38. copper conducts heat better than aluminum.
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if you can spare 50-100 bucks, get the hedgehog all copper heatsink with the same delta fan used in fop38. copper conducts heat better than aluminum.
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I just wrote an answer to this on a similar thread. So I'll copy and paste it here also, since it may be of some help.
Making the baseplate out of copper offers a few advantages over aluminum with the main reason being that copper transfers heat faster than aluminum. However, <b>copper retains heat longer</b>. Aluminum does everything the opposite way. It transfers heat more slowly, but retains it for a much shorter period of time.
So the best design is to have a copper baseplate on the bottom of your aluminum heatsink to transfer the heat away from your CPU quickly. Then the aluminum transfers the heat a little more slowly from the copper to itself. Then, finally, the aluminum releases the heat more quickly than the copper, thus forming the optimum heatsink system.
This is probably the reason why the Hedgehog works bad with a stock fan. Because it retains heat really bad and cools poorly if it doesn't have a mammoth CFM fan to assist it in releasing that heat. If it has a great fan -one that is big enough to suck the heat away fast enough for the high transfer speed of copper to perform at it's best- then the headgehog will work great (you would also need some good case fans to keep the ambient air inside the case cool enough to keep up the heat transfer efficiency).
If you ask me, you are better off with a smaller copper/aluminum heatsink. Because it's more effective for it's size, less noisy (since you don't need as many fans or as big), it doesn't stress your motherboard with it's weight, and costs less.
To sum it all up:
Copper= Transfer fast, release slow
Aluminum= Transfer slow, release fast
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Making the baseplate out of copper offers a few advantages over aluminum with the main reason being that copper transfers heat faster than aluminum. However, <b>copper retains heat longer</b>. Aluminum does everything the opposite way. It transfers heat more slowly, but retains it for a much shorter period of time.
So the best design is to have a copper baseplate on the bottom of your aluminum heatsink to transfer the heat away from your CPU quickly. Then the aluminum transfers the heat a little more slowly from the copper to itself. Then, finally, the aluminum releases the heat more quickly than the copper, thus forming the optimum heatsink system.
This is probably the reason why the Hedgehog works bad with a stock fan. Because it retains heat really bad and cools poorly if it doesn't have a mammoth CFM fan to assist it in releasing that heat. If it has a great fan -one that is big enough to suck the heat away fast enough for the high transfer speed of copper to perform at it's best- then the headgehog will work great (you would also need some good case fans to keep the ambient air inside the case cool enough to keep up the heat transfer efficiency).
If you ask me, you are better off with a smaller copper/aluminum heatsink. Because it's more effective for it's size, less noisy (since you don't need as many fans or as big), it doesn't stress your motherboard with it's weight, and costs less.
To sum it all up:
Copper= Transfer fast, release slow
Aluminum= Transfer slow, release fast
😎 😎 😎 😎 <b><font color=green> Have a day </font color=green></b> Ok I plan on building a new PC in near future, can you tell me what a good set up would be useing the method you just described? I mean use names that I would find at the store not aluminum this copper that, unless that is what I would find. I guess I mean names like orb, I hear isnt very good its just and example. I never built a PC before and plan on going with AMD 1 Gig or 1.2 Gig on a A7V with 512MB PC133 or the new MS-6341 K7 Master board with 256MB PC2100 DDR. With a 64MB Geforce2 Ultra and a 400watt PS. I dont plan on overclocking because like I said I dont know a whole lot, but feel cooling system is a very important peice for a system. So to make a long story short could ya suggest a setup that could possible provide good cooling to the system I am thinking of building. Thank You in advance.
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The orb type coolers create a circular airflow do they not?
This kind of airflow seems like it would hinder the case ventilation.
What do you think?
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This kind of airflow seems like it would hinder the case ventilation.
What do you think?
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As someone just brought to my attention. I may be wrong about an all copper sink not being the best solution. I may also be right. I am currently trying to find out, and get to the bottom of it.
But in the mean time, I suggest that you may want an Alpha or GlobalWIN heat sink. You can go to <A HREF="http://www.neoseeker.com/Hardware/Miscellaneous/Cooling_Solutions/" target="_new">Neoseeker</A> for reviews that will let you decide what you need. There are many factors to choosing a heatsink/fan combo. If you don't care too much about noise then you can get a super cooling HSF (Heat-Sink-Fan combo). I personally would go for something with good cooling, good noise level, and reasonable cost (since you are not overclocking). Tomshardware has a decent review on HSFs that may be of help.(click <A HREF="http://www4.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q4/001211/index.html" target="_new">here</A>) There are many HSFs that use a combo of copper and aluminum available.
The Elan Vital FSCUG 3 has a copper spreader, is quiet, and cools well. At least some Alphas have copper spreaders, and can be pretty quiet in some models (like the PAL6035MFC, which also has a copper spreader) and do a great job of cooling. I am not the expert on what all the HSFs are that have copper spreaders, but I think these should be close to what you are looking for. I personally have a <i>thing</i> for Alpha (I like them). You can always mount a different fan on your heatsink too. This is the link for <A HREF="http://www.micforg.co.jp/index.html" target="_new">Alpha</A>.
Note: All the above are my -moderately researched- opinions. So I suggest doing your own research on the subject.
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But in the mean time, I suggest that you may want an Alpha or GlobalWIN heat sink. You can go to <A HREF="http://www.neoseeker.com/Hardware/Miscellaneous/Cooling_Solutions/" target="_new">Neoseeker</A> for reviews that will let you decide what you need. There are many factors to choosing a heatsink/fan combo. If you don't care too much about noise then you can get a super cooling HSF (Heat-Sink-Fan combo). I personally would go for something with good cooling, good noise level, and reasonable cost (since you are not overclocking). Tomshardware has a decent review on HSFs that may be of help.(click <A HREF="http://www4.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q4/001211/index.html" target="_new">here</A>) There are many HSFs that use a combo of copper and aluminum available.
The Elan Vital FSCUG 3 has a copper spreader, is quiet, and cools well. At least some Alphas have copper spreaders, and can be pretty quiet in some models (like the PAL6035MFC, which also has a copper spreader) and do a great job of cooling. I am not the expert on what all the HSFs are that have copper spreaders, but I think these should be close to what you are looking for. I personally have a <i>thing</i> for Alpha (I like them). You can always mount a different fan on your heatsink too. This is the link for <A HREF="http://www.micforg.co.jp/index.html" target="_new">Alpha</A>.
Note: All the above are my -moderately researched- opinions. So I suggest doing your own research on the subject.
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