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Ash Ellis wrote:

> Sherm's post being off-topic!

You know, Neo's an amusing little brat, but on that score he was right.
I should know better than to indulge in Troll-feeding. It's just that
Neo's such an *easy* target... and watching him get all puffed up and
indignant is so funny. It's like watching a kitten that thinks it's a lion.

Anyway, sorry for the noise.

sherm--

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Sherm Pendley wrote:
> Ash Ellis wrote:
>
>> Sherm's post being off-topic!
>
>
> You know, Neo's an amusing little brat, but on that score he was right.
> I should know better than to indulge in Troll-feeding. It's just that
> Neo's such an *easy* target... and watching him get all puffed up and
> indignant is so funny. It's like watching a kitten that thinks it's a lion.
>
> Anyway, sorry for the noise.

Well it was on-topic for an already off-topic sub-thread :)

Unlike Neo's world-conspiracy theories, which sparked my first reply...

Anywho, enough rambling, off to wait for the next Penance strip to be
uploaded 😉

--
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:24:42 -0400, Twisted One wrote:

>Hugo Kornelis wrote:
>> Are you refering to the Gödel's First Incompleteness Theorem or to
>> Gödel's Second Incompleteness Theorem? (BTW, the good man's name is
>> spelled Gödel, not Goedel).
>
>The latter spelling has to do as an approximation for those whose
>keyboards lack umlauts.

Hi Neo,

My keyboard lacks umlauts, but I am able to produce them: Alt-148
produces the ö. There are other ways as well (but this is the one I
used).

(snip)
>> I couldn't find any such suggestion in all the messages I've seen from
>> Sherm in the last two days.
>
>Then someone's been canceling messages. Or your server's got poor
>completion for this group, perhaps.

My server doesn't honor cancel requests (most usenet servers don't,
AFAIK). Completion for this group is usually fine - I think I get 99.9%
of all non-spam messages and 1% of all spam messages. (The 0.1% non-spam
I miss are caused by the spam filters - and bringing it to the attention
of the server's administrators is usually enough to get the spam filters
tweaked some more).

But of course, there is always the possibility I missed a message - that
is exactly why I already asked you (twice, IIRC) to supply some message
ID's (or Google Groups links). Which you, unfortunately, didn't.

>>>Until, of course, some jerk popped up out of nowhere and opened up on me
>>>with both barrels. Then it all went to hell.
>>
>> But that's not what Sherm did. Maybe you *should* go back and re-read
>> his message.
>
>Attempting to rewrite history won't change the facts. I'd posted
>something inoffensive, went off to do other tasks for a bit, came back,
>and discovered that someone had been taking potshots at me. All too
>common an occurrence lately.

DID you actually go back and re-read his message? (The one where he
checked the file header and web server, not the ones that followed
thereafter).

Best, Hugo
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Hugo Kornelis wrote:
> My keyboard lacks umlauts, but I am able to produce them: Alt-148
> produces the ö. There are other ways as well (but this is the one I
> used).

How awkward.

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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 00:16:32 +0000 (UTC), Severoth wrote:

>On 2005-04-08 10:42:50, Hugo Kornelis <Angband@hugo.is_NO_dit.c_SPAM_om> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 04:08:24 +0000 (UTC), Severoth wrote:
>>
>> >Actually I wouldnt mind taking part in this. I couldnt download the file for
>> >some reason, could you email it to me?
>>
>> Hi Severoth,
>>
>> You've got mail.
>> Lots of it, if others have mailed you a copy as well 🙂
>>
>> Best, Hugo
>> --
>> Your sig line (k) was stolen! (more)
>> There is a puff of smoke!
>>
>> (Remove NO and SPAM to get my e-mail address)
>>
>
>Level 7 and going strong...only question is can I change his name or is that
>against the rules?

Hi Severoth,

I *think* that you can (after all, name has no gameplay effects), but
why would you? (Curious mind wants to know)

Best, Hugo
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On 2005-04-08, Twisted One wrote:
> pete mack wrote:
>> Well, I assumed you had ubuntu linux, since you were extolling its many
>> virtues in a different thread.
>
> Secondhand knowledge. XP and dual boot don't mix, or so I've heard, and
> I currently don't have a sacrificial box handy whose hard drive I can
> erase without qualms.

You were cheated. XP and Slackware coexist on my machine without any
problems.

>> And googling for curl+cygwin shows a lot of hits too.... (You MUST
>> have cygwin installed, if you are a linux fan!)
>
> I do, but the web download util in it is named wget.

You don't think there's only one, do you?

--
Alexander Ulyanov, maintainer of PosBand roguelike
E-mail: posband_AT_earthsea_DOT_org Web: http://posband.earthsea.org/
"Just an arbitrary set of rules like ... what's that thing you British play?"
- "Cricket? Self-loathing?" - "Parliamentary democracy." -- Mostly Harmless
 
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On 2005-04-09, Twisted One wrote:
> Harriet Bazley wrote:
>> I don't like to spoil a good flamewar, but actually the corrupt version
>> was *emailed* to me by Tony Holmes as an attachment using a Content-Type
>> of text/plain. So you're all arguing from the wrong premise altogether
>> and this whole thread is a waste of time. 🙂
>>
>> You can blame Microsoft Outlook for setting the filetype or Windows for
>> calling it a text file, Neo, which will make you happy. 🙂
>
> You should configure your server to blackhole all incoming email with OE
> user-agent headers or any X-MimeOLE header. You won't be missing much;
> trust me.

If you start making statements like this one, something is very wrong
with your life. I don't care what mail program a person uses, as long
as s/he has something to say. Not everyone enjoys configuring mutt and
sendmail, you know.

--
Alexander Ulyanov, maintainer of PosBand roguelike
E-mail: posband_AT_earthsea_DOT_org Web: http://posband.earthsea.org/
"Just an arbitrary set of rules like ... what's that thing you British play?"
- "Cricket? Self-loathing?" - "Parliamentary democracy." -- Mostly Harmless
 
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Twisted One wrote:

> Sherm Pendley wrote:
> > No, someone posted a link to a well-known neutral, third party
> > authority that conclusively shows that the server has been running
> > Apache on Solaris for over four years.
>
> Why would there even be a neutral, third party authority keeping
> close tabs on what OS a *totally unrelated machine* was running?

Historical value. The Internet Archive (and the adjunct Wayback
Machine) exists for a reason.
 
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Twisted One wrote:

> Julian Lighton wrote:
> > In article <XO6dnab5CbctAcvfRVn-tg@rogers.com>,
> > Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Hugo Kornelis wrote:
> > >
> > > > Facts can be proven. If there is no evidence, then there is no
> > > > fact.
> > >
> > > Not familiar with Goedel's Theorem, I see. That's easily
> > > corrected at your nearest convenient institute of higher learning.
> >
> > (Which, BTW, you don't appear to understand. IIRC, it says that any
> > sufficiently powerful logical system must contan either
> > contradictions or undecideable statements. It certainly says
> > nothing about "facts".)
>
> It can be proven that any consistent logical system containing
> arithmetic and/or set theory has statements that are both undecidable
> within the system, and true. (Adding the statement's negation to the
> axiom set results in an inconsistent system.) So, there exist worlds
> for which there are true statements (facts) that are not provable
> (lack evidence) without reference to a larger system.

Facts can and do exist without proof, but that does not make it any
more possible to an entity within the system itself to ascertain that
they are fact. You're still trying to put the Theorem to a use for
which it does not apply.
 
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Twisted One wrote:

> R. Dan Henry wrote:
> >
> > Duh.
>
> My, how gratuitous. Who invited you into this thread?

You're carrying on in public. By definition, everyone's invited.
 
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Alexander Ulyanov wrote:
>>Secondhand knowledge. XP and dual boot don't mix, or so I've heard, and
>>I currently don't have a sacrificial box handy whose hard drive I can
>>erase without qualms.
>
> You were cheated. XP and Slackware coexist on my machine without any
> problems.

Really? I'd heard that XP will overwrite any unfamiliar boot loader it
finds in the MBR semi-regularly. Such as, say, lilo.

Besides, since I don't have a hard drive handy that I can erase without
qualms, repartitioning is out.

>>I do, but the web download util in it is named wget.
>
> You don't think there's only one, do you?

Why would there be more? That would be redundant.

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T/O continues to chatter:

>[wget/curl] is a much simpler, commandline tool.

wget and curl came from different historical sources, if you really
care. After all, there are now 4 or more essentially independent
version of *NIX running around, and many variants of these. (Sys
V/AIX, Solaris, BSD/NeXT, Linux) I think curl has more
administrative-type options than wget, too.

Anyway, curl is what is on OS X.
 
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In article <mMqdnc4gIL3-xMTfRVn-rg@rogers.com>,
Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>Alexander Ulyanov wrote:
>>>Secondhand knowledge. XP and dual boot don't mix, or so I've heard, and
>>>I currently don't have a sacrificial box handy whose hard drive I can
>>>erase without qualms.
>>
>> You were cheated. XP and Slackware coexist on my machine without any
>> problems.
>
>Really? I'd heard that XP will overwrite any unfamiliar boot loader it
>finds in the MBR semi-regularly. Such as, say, lilo.

You heard it, and simply assumed it was true, as opposed to actually
doing a little research? I'm shocked, shocked!

>Besides, since I don't have a hard drive handy that I can erase without
>qualms, repartitioning is out.

There's probably a way around that. (There certainly was for older
Windows, but I've never needed to know for more recent ones. (And if I
actually got a new Windows box, I probably wouldn't bother installing
anoter OS as well.))

>>>I do, but the web download util in it is named wget.
>>
>> You don't think there's only one, do you?
>
>Why would there be more? That would be redundant.

Why would there be more than one text editor, mail reader, newsreader,
etc.? That would be redundant.
--
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/* You are not expected to understand this. */
 
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Julian Lighton wrote:
>>Why would there be more? That would be redundant.
>
> Why would there be more than one text editor, mail reader, newsreader,
> etc.? That would be redundant.

This is a much simpler, commandline tool. Besides, how often does more
than one $WHATEVER ship with a system? My WIndows box came with OE/IE
only; I added Firefox/Thunderbird myself.

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pete mack wrote:
> wget and curl came from different historical sources, if you really
> care. After all, there are now 4 or more essentially independent
> version of *NIX running around, and many variants of these. (Sys
> V/AIX, Solaris, BSD/NeXT, Linux) I think curl has more
> administrative-type options than wget, too.
>
> Anyway, curl is what is on OS X.

And wget is what is on cygwin, and I'm guessing Linux. Although you can
no doubt compile either of them under a POSIX environment, so if you
prefer one, you can have that one on any system.

--
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Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
 
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On 2005-04-10, Twisted One wrote:
> Alexander Ulyanov wrote:
>>>Secondhand knowledge. XP and dual boot don't mix, or so I've heard, and
>>>I currently don't have a sacrificial box handy whose hard drive I can
>>>erase without qualms.
>>
>> You were cheated. XP and Slackware coexist on my machine without any
>> problems.
>
> Really? I'd heard that XP will overwrite any unfamiliar boot loader it
> finds in the MBR semi-regularly. Such as, say, lilo.

Never happened to me (four reinstalls in two years, with Red Hat 7.3,
Slackware 9 and 10; with GRUB, LILO and Smart Boot Manager). It didn't
kill my cat, either.

> Besides, since I don't have a hard drive handy that I can erase without
> qualms, repartitioning is out.

Let me guess... You've never heard of Partition Magic, either? 🙂

>>>I do, but the web download util in it is named wget.
>>
>> You don't think there's only one, do you?
>
> Why would there be more? That would be redundant.

I didn't use curl myself, but I guess there are some differences.
Downloading tool is more complicated than ls/cp/mv/... .

--
Alexander Ulyanov, maintainer of PosBand roguelike
E-mail: posband_AT_earthsea_DOT_org Web: http://posband.earthsea.org/
"Just an arbitrary set of rules like ... what's that thing you play?"
- "Cricket? Self-loathing?" - "Parliamentary democracy." -- Mostly Harmless
 
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Alexander Ulyanov wrote:
> Let me guess... You've never heard of Partition Magic, either? 🙂

I have, but I can't find it anywhere on the net, except as something you
*order* and *pay* for. Also, wherever it's mentioned is the admonishment
to back up your data first, which suggests it's not really guaranteed to
repartition nondestructively, which means it's still not wise to use on
a non-sacrificial drive.

> I didn't use curl myself, but I guess there are some differences.
> Downloading tool is more complicated than ls/cp/mv/... .

Under the hood, maybe, with protocol implementations (http, ftp, etc.),
but the user interface is basically just "point me at a url and I'll try
to fetch it and save it to disk for ya". :) With options to see the
header info and other stuff of course.

--
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
 
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On 2005-04-11, Twisted One wrote:
> Alexander Ulyanov wrote:
>> Let me guess... You've never heard of Partition Magic, either? 🙂
>
> I have, but I can't find it anywhere on the net, except as something you
> *order* and *pay* for.

ISTR there was a demo version of something like that. Anyway, it's
worth that money.

> Also, wherever it's mentioned is the admonishment
> to back up your data first, which suggests it's not really guaranteed to
> repartition nondestructively, which means it's still not wise to use on
> a non-sacrificial drive.

Well, it does low-level voodoo with partitions and filesystems -- it's
dangerous pretty much by definition. But unless the power goes out,
it is very reliable. Even if it encounters an error, it can restore
everything.

--
Alexander Ulyanov, maintainer of PosBand roguelike
E-mail: posband_AT_earthsea_DOT_org Web: http://posband.earthsea.org/
"Just an arbitrary set of rules like ... what's that thing you play?"
- "Cricket? Self-loathing?" - "Parliamentary democracy." -- Mostly Harmless
 
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Alexander Ulyanov wrote:
> Well, it does low-level voodoo with partitions and filesystems -- it's
> dangerous pretty much by definition. But unless the power goes out,
> it is very reliable. Even if it encounters an error, it can restore
> everything.

Oh, so rather than 60gb of backup device all I need is an
uninterruptable power supply. That should be slightly easier. 😛

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Palladium? Trusted Computing? DRM? Microsoft? Sauron.
"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them."
 
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