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In article <Y4adnaRLwtmDRMjfRVn-rg@adelphia.com>, Sherm Pendley wrote:
> Twisted One wrote:
>> It sounds like the http headers it generates have a)
>> incorrect mime types and b) incorrect time stamps for at least some
>> files some of the time.
>
> Nope:
>
> sherm$ curl --head
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/isparp1/angband/nppangband-041-riscos.zip
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:57:59 GMT
> Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix)
> Last-Modified: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:28:27 GMT
> ETag: "16cad20-d2add-4253b9cb"
> Accept-Ranges: bytes
> Content-Length: 862941
> Content-Type: application/zip
>
> There you go - content type "application/zip", Last-Modified looks
> right, and when I download it the file comes out the right size.
>
>> leads me to suspect IIS.
>
> Suspect, schmuspect. Why guess when you can know?
>
> <http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=homepage.ntlworld.com>
>
> And the verdict is... Apache 1.3.26 on Solaris.
>
> Neo, do you have anything useful to say?

This whole thread has been based on a misunderstanding.
The above server and link is where the RiscOS compile is stored, not where
the compeition savefile is stored. (Which runs Apache on Linux)

The savefile is given as a direct-link, with no file extension, and
presented as text/plain.

$ curl --head
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/angband_comp/savefiles/competition30_savefile
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:56:39 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:23:29 GMT
ETag: "fb68cc-ac70-424d91a1"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 44144
Content-Type: text/plain

 

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Paul Murray wrote:

> This whole thread has been based on a misunderstanding.
> The above server and link is where the RiscOS compile is stored, not where
> the compeition savefile is stored. (Which runs Apache on Linux)
>
> The savefile is given as a direct-link, with no file extension, and
> presented as text/plain.

I realized that too, a little while ago. I thought the problem was that
the RiscOS compile didn't run. I reviewed the old posts and found that
it runs, but refuses to load the savefile... My bad, sorry.

For whatever it might be worth, I've uploaded a gzipped copy of the save
file for testing purposes to my site, at:

<http://www.dot-app.org/competition30_savefile.gz>

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Paul Murray wrote:
> The savefile is given as a direct-link, with no file extension, and
> presented as text/plain.
>
> $ curl --head
> http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/angband_comp/savefiles/competition30_savefile
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:56:39 GMT
> Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)
> Last-Modified: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:23:29 GMT
> ETag: "fb68cc-ac70-424d91a1"
> Accept-Ranges: bytes
> Content-Length: 44144
> Content-Type: text/plain

So the savefile mime type *is* broken, server-side. And amazingly, it
seems to be broken on an Apache server. I thought only Microsoft screwed
that sort of thing up.

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Twisted One wrote:

> And then there were other reports of save file problems, including the
> file size being three times too big for some people. Someone found that
> right click + "save as" worked where plain click didn't, which is a sure
> symptom of a b0rked mime type -- either the browser being IE or the
> server being IIS is usually the culprit. That server is now suspected to
> be Apache, leading to the suspicion that this particular case occurred
> for an IE user. Not the RiscOS user then.

You might want to do what I did, and re-read those old posts. There
weren't multiple reports - it was one report, from a RiscOS user whose
download of the save file refused to load, and was roughly 3x the size
it should have been. All of the people suggesting right click + save as
were on Linux, Windows, or a Mac - and for all of them, that worked.

The server has been shown, by several people now, to be Apache. And the
single person who had a problem was running RiscOS. As much as it pains
me to admit it, there's really no logical way to pin this one on MS.

>> Yup, it's serving the save file as text/plain. Which is understandable
>> - it has no extension, and that's the default MIME type.
>
> Understandable for a Microsoft server maybe. Unix ones are supposed to
> be smart enough to go by more than just extension.

In theory, Apache is certainly capable of going by more than that, if
it's using mod_mime_magic. But in practice mod_mime_magic is a CPU pig
that examines the contents of each file that's served, looking for
"magic numbers" that identify the file's contents. It's such a hog that
it's off by default, and virtually no one enables it.

> I'd think a
> non-7-bit-clean file of unknown type would get application/unknown if it
> had no better clue, which would at least send as binary.

But that's beyond even what mod_magic does - you're suggesting that it
should scan each and every byte of the file. That would *kill* server
performance, even for a site with fairly light traffic.

It might serve as a reasonable last-ditch effort though, if checking the
extension and then checking with mod_magic had both failed. I *think* -
although I'm not certain - that Apache can chain multiple content-type
handlers like that, and use the first one that successfully finds a type.

Really though, such measures aren't necessary. A far simpler solution is
to put the oddly-typed files in a separate directory, and change the
default MIME type for files in that directory. Simple and effective,
with virtually no additional CPU load.

> Maybe non-7-bit-clean characters are expanded into escape sequences on
> the RiscOS browser being used. Who the hell can even guess at this point?

Kind of ironic that you're growing reluctant to guess, now that we have
enough evidence to make a reasonably well-educated guess. 🙂

The MIME type has been shown to be text/plain, and the user who reported
a problem is using RiscOS. So it's actually quite reasonable to suggest
that RiscOS might be expanding or otherwise munging data it believes to
be text.

As far as what sort of munging it might be doing - you're right. Who the
hell knows? Escaping non 7-bit clean characters is as good a guess as
any I could come up with.

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In article <efidnWNNLek_8svfRVn-gA@rogers.com>, Twisted One wrote:
> Paul Murray wrote:
>> In article <epGdncQBaMR7-svfRVn-3w@rogers.com>, Twisted One wrote:
>>>there's the question of its sampling resolution and accuracy. The
>>>numbers someone quoted suggest it samples only every several months.
>> No it doesn't.
> I said "suggest". They suggest precisely that, though perhaps falsely.

Nice
That was a good comeback.
(No sarcasm indended)

 

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Sherm Pendley wrote:
> All of the people suggesting right click + save as
> were on Linux, Windows, or a Mac - and for all of them, that worked.

And normal clicking, by implication, did not.

> The server has been shown, by several people now, to be Apache. And the
> single person who had a problem was running RiscOS. As much as it pains
> me to admit it, there's really no logical way to pin this one on MS.

Sure there is. Shoddy handling of mimetypes is a trend they set. If even
the venerable apache, and browsers on systems like RiscOS, have started
slouching and slumping into lazy and wonky mime type treatment, they've
done an exceptionally good job of standards pollution -- usually they
fail completely to pollute open source and just manage to somewhat annoy
commercial competitors, like the pre-Mozilla Netscape, and Corel and the
like. Java they got sued over, then made their own .net thing; they
can't change formats for word docs faster than corel (and openoffice)
can keep up; but their mime type mishandling in IE and IIS has leached
into actual honest open source products like firefox and apache. That
truly is a first. The evil rotten bastards.

> In theory, Apache is certainly capable of going by more than that, if
> it's using mod_mime_magic. But in practice mod_mime_magic is a CPU pig
> that examines the contents of each file that's served, looking for
> "magic numbers" that identify the file's contents. It's such a hog that
> it's off by default, and virtually no one enables it.

Much simpler to just look for 8-bit-dirty files and use
"application/unknown" for them when no other mime type is known to be a
better choice.

Mod_mime_magic sounds like it was implemented by a chimpanzee on crack.
What does it do -- examine the file contents every time it's served,
instead of only every time it's altered on the server, caching the
results (or even the actual deduced mime type itself)? That kind of
algorithmic laziness smells more like Microsoft to me. I know --
Explorer does a bunch of dump O👎 things when you drop a single file in
a folder window -- n being the number of files in the entire destination
directory, and this wouldn't even be excusable if it automatically
sorted the new file into sort order (it doesn't, just sticks it at the
end of the listing), which is an O(log n) operation with any sensible
algorithm. 😛

> But that's beyond even what mod_magic does - you're suggesting that it
> should scan each and every byte of the file. That would *kill* server
> performance, even for a site with fairly light traffic.

Just check each file added or changed and remember the results on a per
file basis. One bit per file in the served tree is all *that* would take
in storage overhead -- a 1 bit for definitely-binary, a 0 bit for
possibly-text. And of course anything dynamically crufted together can
have its mime type dynamically crufted together appropriately.

> Really though, such measures aren't necessary. A far simpler solution is
> to put the oddly-typed files in a separate directory, and change the
> default MIME type for files in that directory. Simple and effective,
> with virtually no additional CPU load.

If that is the typical method, the competition savefile server would
have long since set one up and the guy operating it would put the
savefiles there as a matter of habit. Given the recent events, such a
habit and practise seems unlikely to be a reality.

> As far as what sort of munging it might be doing - you're right. Who the
> hell knows? Escaping non 7-bit clean characters is as good a guess as
> any I could come up with.

It's better than any others I can come up with. Transmuting them or
stripping them are the other obvious coping strategies but they don't
enlarge the file; they maintain its size and actually potentially shrink
it, respectively, instead.

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Antiqaj wrote:
[vitriol]

Oh, hell. Friggin' full moon. All of them come creeping out of the
woodwork in the same 48 hours. What a bother.

Go stick your head in an oven and set it to "self-clean". This may
purify your thoughts sufficiently to make it into Nirvana. Because
please dear God we don't want you reincarnating again ... and again ...
and again ...

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Twisted One wrote:

> Sure there is. Shoddy handling of mimetypes is a trend they set.

Sounds good enough to me. It's all Bill's fault! Storm the castle!

> Mod_mime_magic sounds like it was implemented by a chimpanzee on crack.
> What does it do -- examine the file contents every time it's served

I haven't looked at the guts of it, but I doubt it's *that* bad. I
assume that it's reasonably well implemented, and caches its results -
it's only a pig in comparison to the default of mapping file extensions
to MIME types. It uses the same algorithm as the Unix "file" command. It
has a few key "magic bytes" at specific locations in a file type - "#!"
at the beginning identifies a text script, for instance.

>> Really though, such measures aren't necessary. A far simpler solution
>> is to put the oddly-typed files in a separate directory, and change
>> the default MIME type for files in that directory. Simple and
>> effective, with virtually no additional CPU load.
>
> If that is the typical method, the competition savefile server would
> have long since set one up and the guy operating it would put the
> savefiles there as a matter of habit.

Maybe, maybe not - Keep in mind that the likely theory for now is that
RiscOS treats text files differently. I doubt there are hordes of RiscOS
users beating the admin's door down demanding that he fix the server.

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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 05:05:56 -0400, Sherm Pendley wrote:

>I think it's more likely that the contents of the .zip file are broken
>in a way that's independent of how the .zip is being delivered. Logic
>suggests viewing the archiving apps that were used to create and unzip
>the archive as potential suspects.

Hi Sherm,

Am I missing something? I thought this was about the savefile for
competition 30?

I have downloaded this file from Tony's site as soon as I read his
anouncement (03/31/2005, 11:22 PM CET), opened it in NPPAngband and
played - without uinzipping.
I have downloaded this file another time after an incorrect birth option
was fixed (04/02/2005, 10:53 PM CET), opened it in NPPAngband and played
it - without uinzipping.
I have just downloaded this file a third time. It is the same size as
the second time and AJC Diff reports it as being unchanged.

Has anyone suddenly started discussing another file without me ever
noticing, or is an attempt to unzip a file that wasn't compressed to
begin with the actual cause of the reported problems?

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Hugo Kornelis wrote:

> Am I missing something? I thought this was about the savefile for
> competition 30?

No, I missed something. :-(

I've attempted to make amends by posting a gzipped copy of the file on
my site, in case the text/plain transfer at the competition site was the
cause of the problem. It might have been, if RiscOS thinks that the
distinction between text and binary data is significant.

If you're curious about it, it's at
<http://www.dot-app.org/competition30_savefile.gz>

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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:57:32 GMT, Paul Murray wrote:

(snip)
>This whole thread has been based on a misunderstanding.
>The above server and link is where the RiscOS compile is stored, not where
>the compeition savefile is stored. (Which runs Apache on Linux)
>
>The savefile is given as a direct-link, with no file extension, and
>presented as text/plain.
>
>$ curl --head
>http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/angband_comp/savefiles/competition30_savefile
>HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:56:39 GMT
>Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)
>Last-Modified: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:23:29 GMT
>ETag: "fb68cc-ac70-424d91a1"
>Accept-Ranges: bytes
>Content-Length: 44144
>Content-Type: text/plain

Hi Paul,

And for completeness sake, here's what Netcraft reports as the server
for mysite.wanadoo-members.co-uk:

OS: Linux
Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix)
Last changed: 18-Jul-2004

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In article <4uSdnZJX4pd_h8vfRVn-1g@rogers.com>,
Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>Sherm Pendley wrote:
>
>[Attempt to emasculate me deleted]
>
>> If I killfiled you I wouldn't get to keep laughing at you.
>
>If you killfiled me everyone else in the newsgroup would breathe a sigh
>of relief.

Actually, we'd breathe a sigh of relief if you killfiled him.

Yes, yes, I know - then his vile insults would go unanswered. However:

1) Your responses do nothing to make the insults (both real and
percieved) less believable.

2) Nobody here actually cares. Nobody thinks you're an idiot because
somebody called you an idiot. They think what they think of you based
on what you say.

>On the other hand, you're too selfish and curmudgeonly a
>bastard to do anything of the sort, as has sadly become all too apparent.

Pot, kettle...
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In article <K_Kdnf1Wdeaj7MvfRVn-jg@rogers.com>,
Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>Paul Murray wrote:
>> You really are incapable of admitting a mistake, aren't you?
>
>I'm certainly not going to "admit" to some putative shortcoming /in
>public/, and at the urging of someone who is flaming and harassing me.
>Might as well say "Hey -- here's my head, on a bona fide silver platter.
>Enjoy! *splat*" 😛

One can effectively admit a mistake simply by not continuing to argue
that one could have been right.

>This is too reminiscent of inquisitions where harassment and even
>torture are used until someone "confesses" their "sins" or some such rot.

Impressive lack of perspective there...
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In article <epGdncQBaMR7-svfRVn-3w@rogers.com>,
Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>Sherm Pendley wrote:
>> No, someone posted a link to a well-known neutral, third party authority
>> that conclusively shows that the server has been running Apache on
>> Solaris for over four years.
>
>Why would there even *be* a neutral, third party authority keeping close
>tabs on what OS a *totally unrelated machine* was running? And supposing
>there was, why should I trust you? I can think of two excellent reasons
>why I *shouldn't*:
>1. Apache servers on unix don't generally foul up mime types or time
> stamps, but the server in question did during a period of time a lot
> more recent than four years ago.

Apache servers can be misconfigured. They may be better than IIS, but
there's nothing magic about the difference.

>2. You're a prick.

Wow. You must have been captain of your debate team.

>Also, even supposing this is true, and some site (though it is certainly
>not "well known" since I for one have never heard of it and I'm the
>quintessential random sample member)

No, you're not.

(Really, nobody is, but you're a much bigger outlier than many.)



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In article <XO6dnab5CbctAcvfRVn-tg@rogers.com>,
Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>Hugo Kornelis wrote:
>> Facts can be proven. If there is no evidence, then there is no fact.
>
>Not familiar with Goedel's Theorem, I see. That's easily corrected at
>your nearest convenient institute of higher learning.

This is perhaps the funniest thing you have ever posted. You can't be
bothered to Google things or follow links, and you want somebody else
to educate themselves about Goedel's Theorem?

(Which, BTW, you don't appear to understand. IIRC, it says that any
sufficiently powerful logical system must contan either contradictions
or undecideable statements. It certainly says nothing about "facts".)

>> It might ormight not be likely that the server was the cause; I don't
>> know enough about Internet protocols to comment about that.
>
>But I do.

No comment.

>> Yes, searching for confirmation of your original suspicion of IIS being
>> the causse of the problems would indeed be a waste of time. Since the
>> seb werver was not running IIS, you'll never find any such confirmation.
>
>Seb werver?

Something that wervs sebs. Or a spoonerism.


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On 8 Apr 2005 as I do recall,
Twisted One wrote:

> Sherm Pendley wrote:

[snip]

> > I suspect that either the files in the .zip are broken, or the app
> > that's unzipping it is breaking them at that point.
>
> It's the 30th competition savefile; you'd expect the guy who posts them
> to know how to zip them correctly by now. If there was ever going to be
> a bad zip at the source, it was going to be the 1st, not the 30th.

I don't like to spoil a good flamewar, but actually the corrupt version
was *emailed* to me by Tony Holmes as an attachment using a Content-Type
of text/plain. So you're all arguing from the wrong premise altogether
and this whole thread is a waste of time. 🙂

You can blame Microsoft Outlook for setting the filetype or Windows for
calling it a text file, Neo, which will make you happy. 🙂

> As for the unzipper, we're talking multiple people with problems fetching
> it over multiple routes, using different browsers, and using different
> unzippers. One used whatever obscure unzipper is common on RiscOS,
> which is still implied by this thread's subject line after all this
> time.

SparkFS (commercial) to handle the archive as a native directory via the
image file extensions to the OS.

My Infozip front end (free) to fake viewing the contents as a native
directory via the Info-ZIP commandline tools.

http://www.bigfoot.com/~chrisbazley/utilities.htm#infozip

[snip]

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In message <425677DD.6010005@dot-app.org>, Sherm Pendley
<spamtrap@dot-app.org> wrote:

> Harriet Bazley wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately it still won't load the competition save file,
> > the error is "Too many (2048) monster races!"
>
> There's been a lot of discussion, and a bit of a flame war, below. It
> looks like the competition server is serving the save file as text/plain
> - if RISC OS makes a distinction between text and binary files, that
> might be causing the problem you're seeing.
>
Mystery solved - it was a *Steamband* savefile - a level 39
Dwarf, to be precise, I just tried it. 🙂

If it was just corrupt data it wouldn't have got as far as it
did in loading... that explains everything. Sorry Tony for
causing so much fuss, I should have got back to you as soon as
I saw the file was named "competition29_savefile/txt" but I assumed
it was just a typo...!

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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 05:40:14 -0400, Sherm Pendley
<spamtrap@dot-app.org> wrote:

>Hugo Kornelis wrote:
>
>> I've not seen any post by Sherm that suggests that he "always suspected
>> you to be an idiot".
>
>Just for the record - no, I don't think Neo is an idiot. I do think he's
>a troll, but not a stupid one. He's remarkably good at pushing just the
>right buttons, and that takes brains.

Actually, it doesn't. Trolling is remarkably easy and a chimp with an
alcohol problem could probably be trained to do it.

It is far more likely that Idiot Boy is a bot. Anything remotely human
would have become bored and moved on by now.

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On 2005-04-08 10:42:50, Hugo Kornelis <Angband@hugo.is_NO_dit.c_SPAM_om> wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 04:08:24 +0000 (UTC), Severoth wrote:
>
> >Actually I wouldnt mind taking part in this. I couldnt download the file for
> >some reason, could you email it to me?
>
> Hi Severoth,
>
> You've got mail.
> Lots of it, if others have mailed you a copy as well 🙂
>
> Best, Hugo
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Julian Lighton wrote:
> In article <XO6dnab5CbctAcvfRVn-tg@rogers.com>,
> Twisted One <twisted0n3@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Hugo Kornelis wrote:
>>
>>>Facts can be proven. If there is no evidence, then there is no fact.
>>
>>Not familiar with Goedel's Theorem, I see. That's easily corrected at
>>your nearest convenient institute of higher learning.
>
> (Which, BTW, you don't appear to understand. IIRC, it says that any
> sufficiently powerful logical system must contan either contradictions
> or undecideable statements. It certainly says nothing about "facts".)

It can be proven that any consistent logical system containing
arithmetic and/or set theory has statements that are both undecidable
within the system, and true. (Adding the statement's negation to the
axiom set results in an inconsistent system.) So, there exist worlds for
which there are true statements (facts) that are not provable (lack
evidence) without reference to a larger system. Ours must be one of
them, since it contains set theory and arithmetic, unless its rules are
inconsisitent. The success of scientific methods seems to indicate that
the rules, though we don't fully understand them yet (one important
axiom is the quantum gravity rules we haven't yet elucidated), are not
inconsistent.

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Harriet Bazley wrote:
> I don't like to spoil a good flamewar, but actually the corrupt version
> was *emailed* to me by Tony Holmes as an attachment using a Content-Type
> of text/plain. So you're all arguing from the wrong premise altogether
> and this whole thread is a waste of time. 🙂
>
> You can blame Microsoft Outlook for setting the filetype or Windows for
> calling it a text file, Neo, which will make you happy. 🙂

You should configure your server to blackhole all incoming email with OE
user-agent headers or any X-MimeOLE header. You won't be missing much;
trust me.

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Retarded PeDantic Henry wrote:
> It is far more likely that Idiot Boy is a bot. Anything remotely human
> would have become bored and moved on by now.

I don't think you're a bot -- just a bored 14 year old with no prospect
of getting laid (ever) and spring holiday fever. 😛

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Twisted One wrote:
> Sherm Pendley wrote:
>
>> Twisted One wrote:
>>
>>> pete mack wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's easier to R*T*F*M than to ask a dumb question on an unrelated
>>>> newsgroup.
>>>
>>>
>>> R /what/ FM?
>>
>>
>> Go to <http://www.google.com>, and search for "curl".
>
>
> On your say-so? After you attacked me without provocation? And when you
> didn't even say "please"? I don't think so.
>
Ooooh Neo, do you think the 'world against Neo' conspiracy has reached
the impregnatable Google Servers now?

Get over yourself...

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Ash Ellis wrote:
>>> Go to <http://www.google.com>, and search for "curl".
>>
>> On your say-so? After you attacked me without provocation? And when
>> you didn't even say "please"? I don't think so.
>>
> Ooooh Neo, do you think the 'world against Neo' conspiracy has reached
> the impregnatable Google Servers now?

No; I just don't jump the minute someone says "Frog", doubly so if they
are not polite about it and write it as an imperative, and triply so if
they are an arsehole, and quadruply so if in addition to all that the
context of their imperious command is an ongoing flamewar in which we
are on opposing sides!

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Twisted One wrote:
> Sherm Pendley wrote:

[Pointless babbling snipped, funnyier babbling left untouched]

> [Remainder snipped -- more pathetic attempts at emasculating metaphors
> -- like that would work on a *computer geek* -- maybe the pro football
> player in your town would start worrying he won't get as many girls now
> he's been associated with anything puffy and cute, but it won't work on
> me. Plus the usual sad assortment of trivial insults, and of course the
> spammy tagline that ends all of sherm's posts. And of course, like all
> of sherm's posts, it's all 100% off topic for whatever group it's posted
> in.]

Jeez you like the sound of your own voice...

Sherm's post being off-topic!

If you could read, and understand Google Groups you MIGHT see that
87.67% of ALL your posts EVER have been off-topic.

But you can't... So I guess you'll never know

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