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I have one of those fancy reserators - water cooler. The supplied heatsink block for the processor is gold plated (copper underneath I think). I bought another for the 2nd cpu, and they would only supply the plain copper one. Now I thought the gold was better - that's the way they advertise it. Yet the gold one achieves 60C and the copper one 50C! Can this be right?

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Copper is a better conductor of heat than gold so theoretically the
non-plated block will be better. In reality the plating is so thin as to
make no appreciable difference. I think the gold plating is more a marketing
rouse to justify charging more for the block.

I would suspect that the difference in your temps are caused by one of two
things:

1. If you have the blocks piped up in series (i.e. water flows from one to
the other) the second block is getting supplied with pre-warmed water from
the first block and so does not cool as well.
2. If you have the blocks in parallel one block is getting much more flow
than the other. To fix this make sure that the piping is symmetrical as far
as possible and you could also put a worm-drive clip around the 'cool' block
outlet and use it to balance the flow.

Given the temps you are achieving I've got to ask why are you using water
cooling?...you would get better temps with half decent air coolers without
all the hassle and expense.

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> I have one of those fancy reserators - water cooler. The supplied
heatsink block for the processor is gold plated (copper underneath I think).
I bought another for the 2nd cpu, and they would only supply the plain
copper one. Now I thought the gold was better - that's the way they
advertise it. Yet the gold one achieves 60C and the copper one 50C! Can
this be right?
>
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watercooled Raid.
>
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:58:49 +0100, BigBadger <big_badger@NOSPAM.com> wrote:

> Copper is a better conductor of heat than gold so theoretically the
> non-plated block will be better. In reality the plating is so thin as to
> make no appreciable difference. I think the gold plating is more a marketing
> rouse to justify charging more for the block.
>
> I would suspect that the difference in your temps are caused by one of two
> things:
>
> 1. If you have the blocks piped up in series (i.e. water flows from one to
> the other) the second block is getting supplied with pre-warmed water from
> the first block and so does not cool as well.

First thing I suspected, but on replacing the block (in the same position in the pipe) with an all copper model, the temp dropped by 10C!

> 2. If you have the blocks in parallel one block is getting much more flow
> than the other. To fix this make sure that the piping is symmetrical as far
> as possible and you could also put a worm-drive clip around the 'cool' block
> outlet and use it to balance the flow.
>
> Given the temps you are achieving I've got to ask why are you using water
> cooling?...you would get better temps with half decent air coolers without
> all the hassle and expense.

One word. Noise. There is NO noise form the water cooler. I have to put my ear against the radiator to hear it.

To be fair to the cooler - it is designed to cool better than air for ONE cpu, overclockers swear by it. I however have 2 CPUs and two hard disks running off it.

What I am suspecting is the heatsink gunk. They supplied that silicone grease. I've never liked that stuff, it's nowhere near as effieient (probably as half of it oozes out under the pressure when you clamp the heatsink on) as the thermnal tape stuff that comes on boxed athlons. I might have to see if I can buy some of that tape stuff. It's like a sort of bluetack consistency.



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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:47:12 +0100, "Peter Hucker"
<hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote:

>To be fair to the cooler - it is designed to cool better
>than air for ONE cpu, overclockers swear by it.

Overclockers don't swear by the reserator, they mock it's overpriced
inadequacy.
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:19:20 GMT, Satan's Little Sister <littlesisterNO@SPAMsofthome.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:47:12 +0100, "Peter Hucker"
> <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> To be fair to the cooler - it is designed to cool better
>> than air for ONE cpu, overclockers swear by it.
>
> Overclockers don't swear by the reserator, they mock it's overpriced
> inadequacy.

Musta been reading the paid reviews then 🙂

Well I certainly like it. It's SILENT and it looks cool! But yes the price is somewhat rediculous. Although isn't it a LOT of aluminium?

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"Overclockers don't swear by the reserator, they mock it's overpriced
inadequacy. "

But it does what it was designed to do bloody well ie. provide SILENT
cooling on stock processors. 🙂
 
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:17:36 +1200, ~misfit~ <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> From sig:
> "Served from a watercooled dual 3.2GHz silent Athlon ...."
>
> 3.2Ghz Athlons? Surely you jest.

Overclocking.

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Peter Hucker wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:17:36 +1200, ~misfit~
> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> From sig:
>> "Served from a watercooled dual 3.2GHz silent Athlon ...."
>>
>> 3.2Ghz Athlons? Surely you jest.
>
> Overclocking.

3.2GHz or XP3200 rating? 3.2GHz would be incredible on just water cooling,
but XP3200 rating (which would be ~2.4-2.5GHz on a 133MHz bus) would be
understandable :)

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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:46:35 +1200, Michael Brown <see@signature.below> wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:17:36 +1200, ~misfit~
>> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> From sig:
>>> "Served from a watercooled dual 3.2GHz silent Athlon ...."
>>>
>>> 3.2Ghz Athlons? Surely you jest.
>>
>> Overclocking.
>
> 3.2GHz or XP3200 rating? 3.2GHz would be incredible on just water cooling,
> but XP3200 rating (which would be ~2.4-2.5GHz on a 133MHz bus) would be
> understandable :)

Rating 🙂

Gotta be comparable with the fools using Intels.


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Peter Hucker wrote:
>
> It's not really to make it ultra cool. As long as it's well within
> spec. My aim is to make it run silently, while not overheating.
>
> I've got CPUs at 50C, water at 35C, and room at 25C. Does this sound
> reasonable?

What mobo is it?
what prog are you using to measure the cpu temp?

I ask because some mobos cannot measure the cpu diode temp only the cpu
socket temp. The socket usually reads ~10C cooler than the cpu core. If
50C is the core diode temp and not the socket temp then it's reasonable.

I get room 22C, water 29C and socket 37C (~47C core, mobo can't measure cpu
diode) on mobile athlon 2400 (35w) o/c to 2.6 GHz, 1.8vcore, cpu, gpu &
northbridge watercooled.

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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:02:45 +0100, Apollo <REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>
>> It's not really to make it ultra cool. As long as it's well within
>> spec. My aim is to make it run silently, while not overheating.
>>
>> I've got CPUs at 50C, water at 35C, and room at 25C. Does this sound
>> reasonable?
>
> What mobo is it?

MSI K7D Master with two Athlon MP 2800+

> what prog are you using to measure the cpu temp?

BIOS, and the supplied Fuzzy logic 4 and PC Alert 3.

> I ask because some mobos cannot measure the cpu diode temp only the cpu
> socket temp. The socket usually reads ~10C cooler than the cpu core. If
> 50C is the core diode temp and not the socket temp then it's reasonable.

Well it appears to crash around 70 - which would that suggest?

> I get room 22C, water 29C and socket 37C (~47C core, mobo can't measure cpu
> diode) on mobile athlon 2400 (35w) o/c to 2.6 GHz, 1.8vcore, cpu, gpu &
> northbridge watercooled.

Sounds not bad then.


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Peter Hucker wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:02:45 +0100, Apollo
> <REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:
>
>> What mobo is it?
>
> MSI K7D Master with two Athlon MP 2800+
>
>> what prog are you using to measure the cpu temp?
>
> BIOS, and the supplied Fuzzy logic 4 and PC Alert 3.
>

I don't know anything about that mobo or software, sorry.

I use Motherboard Monitor, you can pick the sensors to display, so if you
pick the diode and the mobo can't measure it, you get some bizzare reading,
I get -46C for my diode ;-)

I'd suggest trying it, takes a while to set up but can display and log; all
voltages, fan speeds (if connected to mobo headers), temperatures and lots
of other useful stuff. http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

If you click on Motherboard list (on the same site), find your mobo and it
tells you what sensor chips are used for what, it doesn't show 'diode' next
to the sensors for your mobo, maybe it is socket temp, someone here should
know I imagine.
>
>> I ask because some mobos cannot measure the cpu diode temp only the
>> cpu socket temp. The socket usually reads ~10C cooler than the cpu
>> core. If 50C is the core diode temp and not the socket temp then
>> it's reasonable.
>
> Well it appears to crash around 70 - which would that suggest?
>
Again this could point to the socket being read, Athlons IIRC are rated for
85C, although I panic if mine hit 55C socket temp. The 50C you mentioned
before is under full load isn't it? If you're getting 50C at idle that's
too hot.

>> I get room 22C, water 29C and socket 37C (~47C core, mobo can't
>> measure cpu diode) on mobile athlon 2400 (35w) o/c to 2.6 GHz,
>> 1.8vcore, cpu, gpu & northbridge watercooled.
>
> Sounds not bad then.

I must admit that I'm addicted to overclocking ;o)

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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:02:53 +0100, Apollo <REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:02:45 +0100, Apollo
>> <REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What mobo is it?
>>
>> MSI K7D Master with two Athlon MP 2800+
>>
>>> what prog are you using to measure the cpu temp?
>>
>> BIOS, and the supplied Fuzzy logic 4 and PC Alert 3.
>
> I don't know anything about that mobo or software, sorry.
>
> I use Motherboard Monitor, you can pick the sensors to display, so if you
> pick the diode and the mobo can't measure it, you get some bizzare reading,
> I get -46C for my diode ;-)
>
> I'd suggest trying it, takes a while to set up but can display and log; all
> voltages, fan speeds (if connected to mobo headers), temperatures and lots
> of other useful stuff. http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
>
> If you click on Motherboard list (on the same site), find your mobo and it
> tells you what sensor chips are used for what, it doesn't show 'diode' next
> to the sensors for your mobo, maybe it is socket temp, someone here should
> know I imagine.

I have motherboard monitor, used to use it. I'll give it a shot again....

>>> I ask because some mobos cannot measure the cpu diode temp only the
>>> cpu socket temp. The socket usually reads ~10C cooler than the cpu
>>> core. If 50C is the core diode temp and not the socket temp then
>>> it's reasonable.
>>
>> Well it appears to crash around 70 - which would that suggest?
>>
> Again this could point to the socket being read, Athlons IIRC are rated for
> 85C, although I panic if mine hit 55C socket temp. The 50C you mentioned
> before is under full load isn't it? If you're getting 50C at idle that's
> too hot.
>
>>> I get room 22C, water 29C and socket 37C (~47C core, mobo can't
>>> measure cpu diode) on mobile athlon 2400 (35w) o/c to 2.6 GHz,
>>> 1.8vcore, cpu, gpu & northbridge watercooled.
>>
>> Sounds not bad then.
>
> I must admit that I'm addicted to overclocking ;o)

I'd be happy to get this stable UNDERclocked!

Know anything about STOP errors?

IRQ not less than or equal.
Something or other about a yield was attempted.


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Peter Hucker wrote:
>
> I'd be happy to get this stable UNDERclocked!
>
> Know anything about STOP errors?
>
> IRQ not less than or equal.
> Something or other about a yield was attempted.

Can I suggest that you start a new thread, this one no longer relates to
your original question, and it could go on for a while.

I've suffered with that stop error, do you get a chance to write the error
down? or does it just restart? Stop the restart by going into System
Properties - Advanced - Startup & Recovery Settings - uncheck Automatically
Restart.

Could be;
Memory - occasional fault, run memtest86 from boot-cd, for a few hours.
Bios - update to latest version.
Temperature - possible from what you've said already.

Drivers - I upgraded my ati drivers two weeks ago and started getting this
stop again, downgrade and it stopped the error. Probably not an ati driver
problem as no other reports of this error.

This stop seems quite common for windows versions using virtual irqs, I have
never found a solution, only the suggestions given above. Try what I
suggest in that order, I can cause the error by overclocking my memory too
much and memtest does indeed report errors at the that fsb speed even with
the multiplyer lowered to give a low overall cpu speed.

If memtest gives you errors, try relaxing the timings and retesting.

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hi

i have a watercooled setup also, and your temp. is quite hi (cpu), suggest
bad aligment of block maybe.

> I've got CPUs at 50C, water at 35C, and room at 25C. Does this sound
reasonable?
to small radiator and maybe to little flow also. watertemp should only be a
couple of degrees over airtemp.

my numbers: cpu 42°c, water 25°c and air 22°c. cpu is 2500 @ 2300mhz vcore
1.7v 100% load (prime).
i got two hardware labs extreme II with two 120mm fans eatch in
semiparallell setup. (cpu temp is diod, motherboard said to report higher
temp than real, i dont know but mb cpu-backside is cool)

> IRQ not less than or equal.
can be a lot of things, first to come is drivers, may be hardware
overheating/oc to much.

coco

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> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:02:53 +0100, Apollo
<REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:
>
> > Peter Hucker wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:02:45 +0100, Apollo
> >> <REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What mobo is it?
> >>
> >> MSI K7D Master with two Athlon MP 2800+
> >>
> >>> what prog are you using to measure the cpu temp?
> >>
> >> BIOS, and the supplied Fuzzy logic 4 and PC Alert 3.
> >
> > I don't know anything about that mobo or software, sorry.
> >
> > I use Motherboard Monitor, you can pick the sensors to display, so if
you
> > pick the diode and the mobo can't measure it, you get some bizzare
reading,
> > I get -46C for my diode ;-)
> >
> > I'd suggest trying it, takes a while to set up but can display and log;
all
> > voltages, fan speeds (if connected to mobo headers), temperatures and
lots
> > of other useful stuff. http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
> >
> > If you click on Motherboard list (on the same site), find your mobo and
it
> > tells you what sensor chips are used for what, it doesn't show 'diode'
next
> > to the sensors for your mobo, maybe it is socket temp, someone here
should
> > know I imagine.
>
> I have motherboard monitor, used to use it. I'll give it a shot again....
>
> >>> I ask because some mobos cannot measure the cpu diode temp only the
> >>> cpu socket temp. The socket usually reads ~10C cooler than the cpu
> >>> core. If 50C is the core diode temp and not the socket temp then
> >>> it's reasonable.
> >>
> >> Well it appears to crash around 70 - which would that suggest?
> >>
> > Again this could point to the socket being read, Athlons IIRC are rated
for
> > 85C, although I panic if mine hit 55C socket temp. The 50C you
mentioned
> > before is under full load isn't it? If you're getting 50C at idle
that's
> > too hot.
> >
> >>> I get room 22C, water 29C and socket 37C (~47C core, mobo can't
> >>> measure cpu diode) on mobile athlon 2400 (35w) o/c to 2.6 GHz,
> >>> 1.8vcore, cpu, gpu & northbridge watercooled.
> >>
> >> Sounds not bad then.
> >
> > I must admit that I'm addicted to overclocking ;o)
>
> I'd be happy to get this stable UNDERclocked!
>
> Know anything about STOP errors?
>
> IRQ not less than or equal.
> Something or other about a yield was attempted.
>
>
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> Served from a watercooled dual 3.2GHz silent Athlon with 512GB of
watercooled Raid.
>
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:49:39 +0100, "Apollo"
<REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:

>Peter Hucker wrote:

>> I'd be happy to get this stable UNDERclocked!

>> Know anything about STOP errors?

>> IRQ not less than or equal.
>> Something or other about a yield was attempted.

>Can I suggest that you start a new thread, this one no longer relates to
>your original question, and it could go on for a while.

>I've suffered with that stop error, do you get a chance to write the error
>down? or does it just restart? Stop the restart by going into System
>Properties - Advanced - Startup & Recovery Settings - uncheck Automatically
>Restart.

>Could be;
>Memory - occasional fault, run memtest86 from boot-cd, for a few hours.
>Bios - update to latest version.
>Temperature - possible from what you've said already.

>Drivers - I upgraded my ati drivers two weeks ago and started getting this
>stop again, downgrade and it stopped the error. Probably not an ati driver
>problem as no other reports of this error.

>This stop seems quite common for windows versions using virtual irqs, I have
>never found a solution, only the suggestions given above. Try what I
>suggest in that order, I can cause the error by overclocking my memory too
>much and memtest does indeed report errors at the that fsb speed even with
>the multiplyer lowered to give a low overall cpu speed.

>If memtest gives you errors, try relaxing the timings and retesting.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810093
BoroLad
 
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:53:28 +0200, CoCo <cocotm@tele2.se> wrote:

> hi
>
> i have a watercooled setup also, and your temp. is quite hi (cpu), suggest
> bad aligment of block maybe.

Is still high but I think I need more reserators. FOUR blocks on one reserator not good idea (2 cpus and...... a PSU!)

>> I've got CPUs at 50C, water at 35C, and room at 25C. Does this sound
> reasonable?
> to small radiator and maybe to little flow also. watertemp should only be a
> couple of degrees over airtemp.

It feels (guessing by touching) like about 50C now (didn't cool the PSU before). I don't want to increase flow - higher pressure! more chance of leak! I'd get another radiator I think.

> my numbers: cpu 42°c, water 25°c and air 22°c. cpu is 2500 @ 2300mhz vcore
> 1.7v 100% load (prime).

Hmm you got a big difference between CPU and water too.

> i got two hardware labs extreme II with two 120mm fans eatch in
> semiparallell setup.

What are those? An you have FANS?! Death to all fans! Zero fans is amazing. I don't know if the PC is on!

> (cpu temp is diod, motherboard said to report higher
> temp than real, i dont know but mb cpu-backside is cool)
>
>> IRQ not less than or equal.
> can be a lot of things, first to come is drivers, may be hardware
> overheating/oc to much.

I suspected drivers, as:

Years ago, NT4 (before 2000 came out) dual CPU, dual viper 550 graphics (the only card that would dual graphics card in NT) - the driver did not like dual cpus. Same blue screen.

When I got my Gilat satellite broadband box, the driver for that immediately caused those errors. Mayb have been that that was still doing it - never did get rid of the bastrd properly.

> coco

Yes please, 2 sugars.

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>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:02:53 +0100, Apollo
> <REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Peter Hucker wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:02:45 +0100, Apollo
>> >> <REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> What mobo is it?
>> >>
>> >> MSI K7D Master with two Athlon MP 2800+
>> >>
>> >>> what prog are you using to measure the cpu temp?
>> >>
>> >> BIOS, and the supplied Fuzzy logic 4 and PC Alert 3.
>> >
>> > I don't know anything about that mobo or software, sorry.
>> >
>> > I use Motherboard Monitor, you can pick the sensors to display, so if
> you
>> > pick the diode and the mobo can't measure it, you get some bizzare
> reading,
>> > I get -46C for my diode ;-)
>> >
>> > I'd suggest trying it, takes a while to set up but can display and log;
> all
>> > voltages, fan speeds (if connected to mobo headers), temperatures and
> lots
>> > of other useful stuff. http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
>> >
>> > If you click on Motherboard list (on the same site), find your mobo and
> it
>> > tells you what sensor chips are used for what, it doesn't show 'diode'
> next
>> > to the sensors for your mobo, maybe it is socket temp, someone here
> should
>> > know I imagine.
>>
>> I have motherboard monitor, used to use it. I'll give it a shot again....
>>
>> >>> I ask because some mobos cannot measure the cpu diode temp only the
>> >>> cpu socket temp. The socket usually reads ~10C cooler than the cpu
>> >>> core. If 50C is the core diode temp and not the socket temp then
>> >>> it's reasonable.
>> >>
>> >> Well it appears to crash around 70 - which would that suggest?
>> >>
>> > Again this could point to the socket being read, Athlons IIRC are rated
> for
>> > 85C, although I panic if mine hit 55C socket temp. The 50C you
> mentioned
>> > before is under full load isn't it? If you're getting 50C at idle
> that's
>> > too hot.
>> >
>> >>> I get room 22C, water 29C and socket 37C (~47C core, mobo can't
>> >>> measure cpu diode) on mobile athlon 2400 (35w) o/c to 2.6 GHz,
>> >>> 1.8vcore, cpu, gpu & northbridge watercooled.
>> >>
>> >> Sounds not bad then.
>> >
>> > I must admit that I'm addicted to overclocking ;o)
>>
>> I'd be happy to get this stable UNDERclocked!
>>
>> Know anything about STOP errors?
>>
>> IRQ not less than or equal.
>> Something or other about a yield was attempted.
>>
>>
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>>
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> they push back harder. -- Billy Connely
>
>
>



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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:49:39 +0100, Apollo <REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>
>> I'd be happy to get this stable UNDERclocked!
>>
>> Know anything about STOP errors?
>>
>> IRQ not less than or equal.
>> Something or other about a yield was attempted.
>
> Can I suggest that you start a new thread, this one no longer relates to
> your original question, and it could go on for a while.

Fixed - reformat. Bloody drivers. Never use Gilat (satellite broadband) or Alcatel (ADSL) on dual CPU - causing not less than or equal (which doesn't really make sense to me - why should an IRQ be not less than or equal?). The yield - that was overheating/overclocking/overvoltage.

> I've suffered with that stop error, do you get a chance to write the error
> down? or does it just restart? Stop the restart by going into System
> Properties - Advanced - Startup & Recovery Settings - uncheck Automatically
> Restart.

I actually turned that ON, as I have a webserver running and I wanted it to restart at night if it crashed.

> Could be;
> Memory - occasional fault, run memtest86 from boot-cd, for a few hours.
> Bios - update to latest version.
> Temperature - possible from what you've said already.
>
> Drivers - I upgraded my ati drivers two weeks ago and started getting this
> stop again, downgrade and it stopped the error. Probably not an ati driver
> problem as no other reports of this error.

Dual CPU?


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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:47:55 +0100, <borolad@myowseintheboro.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:49:39 +0100, "Apollo"
> <REMOVEMEian_dunbar6@hotmailDOT.com> wrote:
>
>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>
>>> I'd be happy to get this stable UNDERclocked!
>
>>> Know anything about STOP errors?
>
>>> IRQ not less than or equal.
>>> Something or other about a yield was attempted.
>
>> Can I suggest that you start a new thread, this one no longer relates to
>> your original question, and it could go on for a while.
>
>> I've suffered with that stop error, do you get a chance to write the error
>> down? or does it just restart? Stop the restart by going into System
>> Properties - Advanced - Startup & Recovery Settings - uncheck Automatically
>> Restart.
>
>> Could be;
>> Memory - occasional fault, run memtest86 from boot-cd, for a few hours.
>> Bios - update to latest version.
>> Temperature - possible from what you've said already.
>
>> Drivers - I upgraded my ati drivers two weeks ago and started getting this
>> stop again, downgrade and it stopped the error. Probably not an ati driver
>> problem as no other reports of this error.
>
>> This stop seems quite common for windows versions using virtual irqs, I have
>> never found a solution, only the suggestions given above. Try what I
>> suggest in that order, I can cause the error by overclocking my memory too
>> much and memtest does indeed report errors at the that fsb speed even with
>> the multiplyer lowered to give a low overall cpu speed.
>
>> If memtest gives you errors, try relaxing the timings and retesting.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810093

One or more of the random access memory (RAM) modules that are installed in your computer are faulty, or the memory modules are not compatible with the chip set on your computer mainboard.
The Page file that is used by the Virtual Memory Manager may be damaged.

Hmmmm doesn't tally with my experience - it's DRIVERS. Badly written shoddy drivers that don't support dual CPU.


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On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:20:52 +1200, ~misfit~ <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:46:35 +1200, Michael Brown
>> <see@signature.below> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:17:36 +1200, ~misfit~
>>>> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> From sig:
>>>>> "Served from a watercooled dual 3.2GHz silent Athlon ...."
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.2Ghz Athlons? Surely you jest.
>>>>
>>>> Overclocking.
>>>
>>> 3.2GHz or XP3200 rating? 3.2GHz would be incredible on just water
>>> cooling, but XP3200 rating (which would be ~2.4-2.5GHz on a 133MHz
>>> bus) would be understandable :)
>>
>> Rating 🙂
>>
>> Gotta be comparable with the fools using Intels.
>
> Well then it isn't "Ghz" is it?

GHz means what to you? It's the speed the cpu runs at. If my Athlon 3200+ does things as fast as your Intel 3.2GHz, then it's a true measure.



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Peter Hucker wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:20:52 +1200, ~misfit~
> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:46:35 +1200, Michael Brown
>>> <see@signature.below> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:17:36 +1200, ~misfit~
>>>>> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From sig:
>>>>>> "Served from a watercooled dual 3.2GHz silent Athlon ...."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.2Ghz Athlons? Surely you jest.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Overclocking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3.2GHz or XP3200 rating? 3.2GHz would be incredible on just water
>>>> cooling, but XP3200 rating (which would be ~2.4-2.5GHz on a 133MHz
>>>> bus) would be understandable :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Rating 🙂
>>>
>>> Gotta be comparable with the fools using Intels.
>>
>>
>> Well then it isn't "Ghz" is it?
>
>
> GHz means what to you?

It's cycles per second, in billions.

> It's the speed the cpu runs at.

More precisely, it's how many times a second the CPU clock goes up and down
(cycles). What it does with, or during, those clock cycles is another matter.

> If my Athlon
> 3200+ does things as fast as your Intel 3.2GHz, then it's a true measure.

Whatever kind of 'measure' you wish to call it, it isn't "MHz."
 
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Peter Hucker wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:20:52 +1200, ~misfit~
> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:46:35 +1200, Michael Brown
>>> <see@signature.below> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:17:36 +1200, ~misfit~
>>>>> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From sig:
>>>>>> "Served from a watercooled dual 3.2GHz silent Athlon ...."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.2Ghz Athlons? Surely you jest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Overclocking.
>>>>
>>>> 3.2GHz or XP3200 rating? 3.2GHz would be incredible on just water
>>>> cooling, but XP3200 rating (which would be ~2.4-2.5GHz on a 133MHz
>>>> bus) would be understandable :)
>>>
>>> Rating 🙂
>>>
>>> Gotta be comparable with the fools using Intels.
>>
>> Well then it isn't "Ghz" is it?
>
> GHz means what to you? It's the speed the cpu runs at.

Exactly.

> If my Athlon 3200+

(not running at 3.2 GHz)

> does things as fast as your Intel 3.2GHz

(which is running at 3.2 GHz)

> then it's a true measure.

GHz is a fundamental, defined, measurable thing. A rating number, or the
performance, is not a defined thing. If you were allowed to stick a
performance number before "GHz", I could say that I was running a dual 40
GHz machine, where the "speed" is derived by comparing multiplication
performance with an 8086. A 2800+ runs at 2.133GHz (if it's a 133MHz FSB
Barton), 2.083GHz (if it's a 166MHz FSB Barton), or 2.250 GHz (if it's a
166MHz FSB TBred). None of these run at 2.8GHz, though all are
(approximately) equal in performance to a 2.8GHz P4.

Like you said above, GHz is the speed the CPU runs at. Your CPUs run at
2.133GHz (assuming you've got the rating right), not 2.8GHz. If you want to
use the rating number, then indicate that it's the rating (ie: "dual
XP2800") and certainly don't stick GHz after it.

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That's a big LOL...

Man, and you think you see it all....


-------------------------------------------------------
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Asus P4P800-Deluxe
NW3000@3915 FSB261 on WC
512MB OCZ BH-5 @DDR522 2-2-2-5
Power Color ATi 9800XT 518/408
-------------------------------------------------------


On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:02:13 +0100, "Peter Hucker"
<hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:46:35 +1200, Michael Brown <see@signature.below> wrote:
>
>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:17:36 +1200, ~misfit~
>>> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> From sig:
>>>> "Served from a watercooled dual 3.2GHz silent Athlon ...."
>>>>
>>>> 3.2Ghz Athlons? Surely you jest.
>>>
>>> Overclocking.
>>
>> 3.2GHz or XP3200 rating? 3.2GHz would be incredible on just water cooling,
>> but XP3200 rating (which would be ~2.4-2.5GHz on a 133MHz bus) would be
>> understandable :)
>
>Rating 🙂
>
>Gotta be comparable with the fools using Intels.
 
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On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:03:56 +1200, ~misfit~ <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:20:52 +1200, ~misfit~
>> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> Well then it isn't "Ghz" is it?
>>
>> GHz means what to you? It's the speed the cpu runs at. If my Athlon
>> 3200+ does things as fast as your Intel 3.2GHz, then it's a true
>> measure.
>
> No it isn't. Others have pointed out

Haven't seen others mention it - but some don't make it to clara.net, and some people don't reply correctly, so they don't get flagged as replies to me and are not read.

> that you are attempting to use an empirical measurement incorrectly.

Pedant!

> BTW, I don't use an Intel, I use an AMD Athlon XP1800+ Thoroughbred B
> overclocked. Running on a 200Mhz FSB with a multiplier of 10.5 for 2.1
> *Ghz*. It benchmarks nearly as well as a Pentium 4 2.8Ghz but I don't say
> it's running at 2.8Ghz.
>
> Also, what *are* you running? Above you say XP3200 but your sig mentions
> 2.8Ghz Athlons.

I turned off the overclocking. Wasn't doing a lot. Waste of time really. You don't actually notice anything less than a 50% increase.


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So, what made you pay twice as much as your CPU is worth?

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 01:31:59 +0100, Stormgiant <stormy_icq@hotmail.com> wrote:

> That's a big LOL...
>
> Man, and you think you see it all....
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Stormgiant
>
> Asus P4P800-Deluxe
> NW3000@3915 FSB261 on WC
> 512MB OCZ BH-5 @DDR522 2-2-2-5
> Power Color ATi 9800XT 518/408
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:02:13 +0100, "Peter Hucker"
> <hucker@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:46:35 +1200, Michael Brown <see@signature.below> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:17:36 +1200, ~misfit~
>>>> <misfit61nz@yahoo-mung.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> From sig:
>>>>> "Served from a watercooled dual 3.2GHz silent Athlon ...."
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.2Ghz Athlons? Surely you jest.
>>>>
>>>> Overclocking.
>>>
>>> 3.2GHz or XP3200 rating? 3.2GHz would be incredible on just water cooling,
>>> but XP3200 rating (which would be ~2.4-2.5GHz on a 133MHz bus) would be
>>> understandable :)
>>
>> Rating 🙂
>>
>> Gotta be comparable with the fools using Intels.
>
>



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