Question CPU bottleneck

[pvptrizex]

I got a new gpu (3070 ti) but I've been seeing same performance or arguably worse than my 1050 ti that I had. I think its due to to cpu bottleneck, i checked my ram speed and its 1063 mHZ, Will getting a new ram fix my issue.
btw i have i5 9th gen

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

A system isn't built with just a processor and a discrete GPU. When posting a thread of troubleshooting nature, it's customary to include your full system's specs. Please list the specs to your build like so:
CPU:
CPU cooler:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
Chassis:
OS:
Monitor:
include the age of the PSU apart from it's make and model. BIOS version for your motherboard at this moment of time.

Did you use DDU prior to replacing the prior GPU for the new one?

 

[pvptrizex]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

A system isn't built with just a processor and a discrete GPU. When posting a thread of troubleshooting nature, it's customary to include your full system's specs. Please list the specs to your build like so:
CPU:
CPU cooler:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
Chassis:
OS:
Monitor:
include the age of the PSU apart from it's make and model. BIOS version for your motherboard at this moment of time.

Did you use DDU prior to replacing the prior GPU for the new one?

oh sorry
CPU: I5 9TH GEN
Motherboard:B360MHD PRO2
Ram: 16.0GB Single-Channel DDR4 @ 1064MHz
SSD/HDD:931GB KINGSTON SNV2S1000G (SATA-2 (SSD))
GPU:3070 TI
OS:19045.3570
Monitor: some ASUS monitor i forgot what its called 144hz
the rest i dont think its relevant( also i dont know it lol)
and I got someone professional to replace the gpu for me I didn't do it myself

 

[Wuwu]

Parts I would recommend.

RAM upgrade and a new CPU cooler.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/dPs8Bj

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£39.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£64.96 @ Box Limited)
Total: £103.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-11-11 13:12 GMT+0000



However DO NOT purchase anything here yet until we get more information about how hot the CPU is running under load.

So with that could you please download and install: https://www.ocbase.com/download Choose either personal options they don't matter.
Download and install: https://www.hwinfo.com/download/ (This is so sensors work properly in OCCT)

What you need to do once installed is run the OCCT application and select Linpack and circled in red make sure it is 2021 version.

Circled in green is the start button, press this. (This will be your stop button after 2 minutes of testing too)

Now watch your CPU temperature circled in blue in the top left corner.

Report back here after 2 minutes of testing what the final temperature is.

 

[pvptrizex]

I got a new gpu (3070 ti) but I've been seeing same performance or arguably worse than my 1050 ti that I had. I think its due to to cpu bottleneck,
CPU: I5 9TH GEN
Motherboard:B360MHD PRO2
Ram: Kingston FURY 16gb 3200 mhz
SSD/HDD:931GB KINGSTON SNV2S1000G (SATA-2 (SSD))
GPU:3070 TI
OS:19045.3570
Monitor: some ASUS monitor i forgot what its called 144hz
the rest i dont think its relevant( also i dont know it lol)

 

[Lutfij]

Stick to one thread, please.

the rest i dont think its relevant( also i dont know it lol)
The make and model and the age of the PSU is relevant since a lack of power to your GPU can cause your GPU to be starved of power. If you're on prior drivers without using DDU, then you can also lose out on performance.

Which i5 in the 9th Gen portoflio do you have?

Help us help you...this is where you include info we ask for or info we need, sans a I don't know, lol.

 

[geofelt]

What is the exact model of the 9th gen processor you have?
If you don't know, CPU-Z will identify it for you.

What kinds of games do you play?
Some are graphics limited and some are cpu limited.
Since you did not improve with a stronger graphics card, I suspect that you are cpu limited.
Here is a list of the processors your motherboard supports:

Best Gaming Motherboards Recommend, Computer Components Manufacturers

Best gaming motherboards recommend - BIOSTAR. Computer components manufacturers provide INTEL AMD sockets, various INTEL motherboards, etc.

www.biostar.com.tw

And... with a discrete graphics card, the speed of your ram is not very relevant.

 

[pvptrizex]

What is the exact model of the 9th gen processor you have?
If you don't know, CPU-Z will identify it for you.

What kinds of games do you play?
Some are graphics limited and some are cpu limited.
Since you did not improve with a stronger graphics card, I suspect that you are cpu limited.
Here is a list of the processors your motherboard supports:

Best Gaming Motherboards Recommend, Computer Components Manufacturers

Best gaming motherboards recommend - BIOSTAR. Computer components manufacturers provide INTEL AMD sockets, various INTEL motherboards, etc.

www.biostar.com.tw

And... with a discrete graphics card, the speed of your ram is not very relevant.

i have i5 9400F
i play games like (val fort cs2 cod gta)
What do u think i should do

Stick to one thread, please.

the rest i dont think its relevant( also i dont know it lol)
The make and model and the age of the PSU is relevant since a lack of power to your GPU can cause your GPU to be starved of power. If you're on prior drivers without using DDU, then you can also lose out on performance.

Which i5 in the 9th Gen portoflio do you have?

Help us help you...this is where you include info we ask for or info we need, sans a I don't know, lol.

I dont know whats DDU so idk what u mean
XPOWER SERIES PSU 600W 80+ I FOUND IT
i have i5-9400F

 

[geofelt]

The games you play are cpu intensive.
It is not surprising that improving graphics did not yield better results.
Your performance is limited by the ability to deliver frames to the graphics card.
There will always be a limitation.
Your motherboard would support a stronger processor like a I7-9700K.
You would also likely want a better cooler than the stock intel cooler.
Run the cpu-Z bench test on your 9400F and look at the single thread performance rating.
You should see a score around 452:

CPU-Z Benchmark for Intel Core i5-9400F (1T) - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

Best CPU performance - 64-bit - November 2024

valid.x86.fr

By comparison, a 9700K should score 527.

Your ram speed is 1062 for a single stick.
When used in dual channel mode, it becomes 2133 which is normal.
It is unlikely that any ram speed change would me meaningful.

Since you have already upgraded the graphics card and the upgrade is working ok, the PSU is doing the job and does not likely require any change.

 

[pvptrizex]

The games you play are cpu intensive.
It is not surprising that improving graphics did not yield better results.
Your performance is limited by the ability to deliver frames to the graphics card.
There will always be a limitation.
Your motherboard would support a stronger processor like a I7-9700K.
You would also likely want a better cooler than the stock intel cooler.
Run the cpu-Z bench test on your 9400F and look at the single thread performance rating.
You should see a score around 452:

CPU-Z Benchmark for Intel Core i5-9400F (1T) - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

Best CPU performance - 64-bit - November 2024

valid.x86.fr

By comparison, a 9700K should score 527.

Your ram speed is 1062 for a single stick.
When used in dual channel mode, it becomes 2133 which is normal.
It is unlikely that any ram speed change would me meaningful.

Since you have already upgraded the graphics card and the upgrade is working ok, the PSU is doing the job and does not likely require any change.

Will getting these upgrades n perhaps a better cpu cooler fix the problem
btw i did the bench test the single thread performance is 456
another question, i have a mismatching 16gb ram will it be ok if i plug it in

 

[kerberos_20]

Your ram speed is 1062 for a single stick.
When used in dual channel mode, it becomes 2133 which is normal.
It is unlikely that any ram speed change would me meaningful.

reported ram speed 1062MHz is correct for 2133MT/s for both single/dual channel
ram speed increase should slightly slightly help in cpu intensive tasks, but not by much, single channel on the other hand creates cpu bottleneck just by itself

 

[geofelt]

I5-13400F has 16 threads and a passmark rating of 26206/ 3836.
Definitely a big step up and probably appropriate.
The laminar flow stock cooler that comes with it is excellent.

Two comments:

1) I would spend an extra $25 or so for a non F processor that includes integrated graphics.
Integrated will keep you running if you should ever have a gpu issue.
It also includes quick-sync that may be of use to you:

Intel® Video Processing Library: Video Codecs

Unlock media features on CPUs, GPUs, VPUs, and other accelerators with a successor to Intel® Media SDK—a video-processing API for encode and decode.

www.intel.com

2) H610 motherboards are the most basic and cheapest versions that usually cheap out on vrm cooling.
Very old stock 6xx motherboards may not have the bios update needed to run 13th gen.
Look for a B760 based motherboard.
If you favor gigabyte, here is one for a similar price:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145426?Item=N82E16813145426

If your two sticks worked before, it is likely that they will work again.
And, if you go the B760 route, your bios will have better tools to adjust.

 

[pvptrizex]

I5-13400F has 16 threads and a passmark rating of 26206/ 3836.
Definitely a big step up and probably appropriate.
The laminar flow stock cooler that comes with it is excellent.

Two comments:

1) I would spend an extra $25 or so for a non F processor that includes integrated graphics.
Integrated will keep you running if you should ever have a gpu issue.
It also includes quick-sync that may be of use to you:

Intel® Video Processing Library: Video Codecs

Unlock media features on CPUs, GPUs, VPUs, and other accelerators with a successor to Intel® Media SDK—a video-processing API for encode and decode.

www.intel.com

2) H610 motherboards are the most basic and cheapest versions that usually cheap out on vrm cooling.
Very old stock 6xx motherboards may not have the bios update needed to run 13th gen.
Look for a B760 based motherboard.
If you favor gigabyte, here is one for a similar price:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145426?Item=N82E16813145426

If your two sticks worked before, it is likely that they will work again.
And, if you go the B760 route, your bios will have better tools to adjust.

would the

MSI PRO B760M-E DDR4 MOTHERBOARD
be a good replacement​

 

[geofelt]

That is also a cheap motherboard.
But better than H610 based units.
Look at the square vrm's left and above the socket.
They get hot and any decent motherboard will have some sort of cooling for them.
The rear i/o panel is sparse.
I think you could do better.

 

[bignastyid]

XPOWER SERIES PSU 600W 80+

Not good psu, not even 600w by modern standards. You'll want to add a better PSU to your upgrade list.

 

[pvptrizex]

That is also a cheap motherboard.
But better than H610 based units.
Look at the square vrm's left and above the socket.
They get hot and any decent motherboard will have some sort of cooling for them.
The rear i/o panel is sparse.
I think you could do better.

Alright thank you so much, anything else u want to point out