Cyberpower’s Gamer Dragon: Can AMD Bring The Game?

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]osse[/nom]But as a builder i woudnt have putted a 2x4890 up against that, i would have sacrifised a littel cpu power, a littel gpu power, then i would put all on one card, the vertex.[/citation]

you still don't understand Osse. The whole point was to give the Phenom II the best possible chance, a best-case scenario. If we lowered the CPU a little, the GPU a little - vertex or no, it would have gotten slaughtered.

This isn't the review you personally wanted to see, nor was it a build I would likely recommend. The whole purpose was to see if the Phenom II could keep up to an i7 when it had stronger graphics cards according to the budget room it had.

I understand where you're coming from, but you need to understand: nobody is recommending this Phenom build. It is only a test, to prove whether or not it's viable.

If you want to see our recommended builds, that's what the SBMs are for.

 

[osse]

Well cleave u say it want make a diffrence.

Take a look at this test then

http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3403&p=14

Intel x25 min frame rate 25,7

Ocz skill min frame rate 20,8

Western digiatal 1 gb (that is a 7200 rpm disk among the best) 14,7

This has a lot more impact on fluid gameplay that 260 vs 4870, or i7 vs phii 940.

 

[cleeve]

Osse, read my post, 2 posts up.

That's exactly the Anand test I was talking about.

 

[cleeve]

Intel X25 ($320 for 80GB) : 25.7 min fps

Vertex SLC ($699 for 60GB ): 20.8 fps

Velociraptor ($180 for 150GB): 19.2 fps

Vertex MLC ($230 for 60GB) : 15.7 fps


Not very compelling prices. The Intel is the only drive with a 25% lead over the Velociraptor, yet it costs almost twice as much, and has about half the capacity.

How many games you goona put on an 80GB drive with an OS? If you have to buy a second drive for files, your cost just went up another $80...

 

[osse]

I have never argued that when u go to grapich solutioun better than 4870x2 then there is really only 1, even if it was 4890 vs 4870 on the penhom, u could have used 2 x 4870, the result woudnt drop 10 to 15 % as what the diffrense in how a 4890 compare to a 4870, the result would maybe drop 6-8 % but not more, why not, becaause in order to get the true power of 2 x 4890 u need the phenom up to 4 ghz or the the i7 up to round 3,7

 

[osse]

Os takes round 10 gb, u always shell leave som room for other files, so a good disk set up for the os is 20 gb for the os and with the proggys u dont really need. that leaves round 40 gb for games. Isnt that enough ??

As a spear disk u u still have to use a spin disk, for ur movies and stuff.

xp takes rond 6 fully, win 2000 was round 4 if i rember correct.

Why should there always be an seperate Os partion, well if ur hd crash couse of virus, or just worn off it is always the os persion that goes first, so u never have ur files on the os partion. I even got all my files out from my d: partion after my acer turion (hitachy 120 gb) failed, with just putting the disk into another computer-

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]osse[/nom]That leaves round 40 gb for games. Isnt that enough ??[/citation]

Definitely not enough for me. I tend to fill 250MB drives like they're going out of style

Might be enough for some some users, maybe. But if it's the only HD it has to be for games, music, movies... everything.

 

[osse]

Dont take the definsive aprotch cleeve, im not here to get u or to proove u false, im just plain courious, u have the resurses behinde u, u can do it, u proved that ur willing to take an second aprocee, witch is good, well i dont reconise the prises u said there, x 25 is the most expensie disk, sad but true.

Im just encourugeing u to do real builds off, well in the hight end there is littel to do. i am not asking for cpu vs cpu,
what im asking for is Rig vs *Rig, at the same cost


u did a good beginning with this, dont stop

 

[osse]

True a SSd if for the proggyes that need spped
, for movies and stuff SSD is a waste


I have fate in u, and u see even if im an AMD fantaic (do to my belife in , there has to be comptetion, monopol is not a good thing) I trust u. But rig vs rig test, that is a slam dunk for thg

 

[cleeve]

I'm not getting defensive Osse, I'm simply disagreeing with you as to the cost effectiveness of an SSD.

I'll see if I can do a comparison, but it'll be on a single platform first so we can better see what it offers. If it proves itself there, we might consider it as a factor in a rig vs. rig comparison.

As far as rig vs. rig at the same cost, that's a separate issue in and of itself. And like I sad, we're looking into steering the SBMs in that direction.

So to make a long story short, I can say we've already been looking into doing the kinds of comparisons you suggest. As for the SSD, I need to see them prove themselves in a stand alone review before I use them in a rig vs. rig test.

 

[thebatman]

LOL

*sigh*
*facepalm*

So..Cleeve...how's that article coming along eh?

 

[osse]

Fair enough

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]thebatman[/nom]LOL*sigh**facepalm*So..Cleeve...how's that article coming along eh?[/citation]

Done for some time now, but you have to remember that it takes some time after it's written to go through a couple editors and get scheduled for publishing. I just entered it into the content management system last night after getting it back from the first copy editor, so it shouldn't take too long now, but it depends on the schedule at this point.

 

[dirtmountain]

Wow, i take a nice long fishing/camping trip in the Sierras and i miss all sorts of fun. I'm glad i won't be missing your new article Cleeve and thanks for taking the time/effort to level the playing field a bit. BTW the camping was great, but the fish were paid off by intel/amd/ati/nvidia so the fishing sucked.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]dirtmountain[/nom]BTW the camping was great, but the fish were paid off by intel/amd/ati/nvidia so the fishing sucked.[/citation]

lol.

Well played, sir... Well played. 😀

 

[thebatman]

[citation][nom]dirtmountain[/nom]BTW the camping was great, but the fish were paid off by intel/amd/ati/nvidia so the fishing sucked.[/citation]

LMAO

dirtmountain wins.

/thread

 

[Guest]

Omg if you guys actually belive these reviews your nuts the 4890 is a relitively new card with its own crappy new drivers so sure lets put it up against a card with great driver support they should have tested the 260's to 2 4870's. using cat 9.6. and ran benchmarks. i have no doubt that the i7 would stomp but lets be fair about it you can get a phenom 955 setup for under $700. tom dosent mention that sometimes in benches you should disable crossfire to get better results espically in 1280x1024.but hey what do i know i only own both systems.also the Ma790x-ud4p is DDR2.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]Rawnet[/nom]the 4890 is a relitively new card with its own crappy new drivers so sure lets put it up against a card with great driver support they should have tested the 260's to 2 4870's.[/citation]

That doesn't make any sense at all.

You do know the 4890 is nothing more than an overclocked 4870, right?
It uses the exact same driver...