Cyberpower’s Gamer Dragon: Can AMD Bring The Game?

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The anandtech article is great and you instantly see the difference in writing style compared to this article.

Anands comment on the Far Cry 2 benchmark results.

Two things still hold true about this game. It favors the Intel processors, and once you provide enough GPU horsepower, the performance of the i7 platform is untouchable. If you wanted to pick a single benchmark and show a large disparity in gaming performance between the Intel and AMD platforms, this is the one to use. Does that mean the game play experience on the Phenom II platform is bad, certainly not, in fact it is very good.
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That is a good and balanced statment by Anand.
 
awww man why does everybody doesn't see that after three seperate articles that a i7 BEATS the phenom II top card? Is the reality to hard to see? Do you need a shoulder to cry on because your system isn't the biggest baddest around?
Or because you hate intel for being good at what they have to offer? They rip through virtually every bench thrown in three articles and slam amd to a very good second place and sometimes even third with a core 2 quad in the running. I mean if you can't see facts as they smack you in the face and take a dump on it, then you should not read the stuff posted here anyway.... Get your head out of your asses and smell the coffee...
 
DFI x58 JR - 200$ after rebate
Gigabyte 790fxt - 180$

Why use the 790x and not the fx? is this fair comparison? Also it's widely known already that 1333mhz ram with tighter timings beats the heck outta higher speed ram for phenom II systems, not to mention nb overclock which is very easy to perform with the 955, which has unlocked multis all over.

Maybe even then intel will still triumph amd, who knows. My point is that you dissapoint me and many other readers when you make such sloppy comparisons while we expect from you to be as professional as you (almost) always are.

Makes me believe you are indeed biased.
 
[citation][nom]doron[/nom]Why use the 790x and not the fx? [/citation]

Dude, we didn't spec out the system, it was sent this way to us. This is a Cyberpower system review, and since we had a lot of feedback about choosing the i7 for the SBM system, I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone and pit them against each other.

Because of all the feedback after this article thogh, I've already said I'm going to revisit the whole Phenom II vs. i7, this time with a 790FX board. It won't be a Cyberpower system review, but a Phenom II/790FX vs. i7/X58 using the same videocards and RAM.

Having said all that, from what i've seen using the 790X vs. a 790FX shouldn't make all that much difference. But we'll see what we will see, it'll eb nice to have all the data laid out in one article.
 
"The anandtech article is great and you instantly see the difference in writing style compared to this article.

Anands comment on the Far Cry 2 benchmark results.

Quote :Two things still hold true about this game. It favors the Intel processors...

..If you wanted to pick a single benchmark and show a large disparity in gaming performance between the Intel and AMD platforms, this is the one to use...


That is a good and balanced statment by Anand. "


and that about sums up why it was picked for this article. Of course, Cleetus has already explained to us that these are the most relevant benchmarks in the whole-wide world, and if they all just so happen to favor Intel right out of the box, then it's just a coincidence, and still AMD's fault. After all, the true enthusiast buys a CPU from the company that pays developers to optimize for their CPU and/or cripple the other guys...
 
I actually did sign up for this forum becouse of this article. I been building riggs since the days of the 286, and im an Amd fantatic, wich meens i never build an intel rigg , reason is as simpel that they are to big and i dont want a monopol in this eare. That said, i dont recomend an AMD rigg if it is not as good as the Intel rigg, wich also meen i didnt build any rigs when it was core2 vs phi, phi was just not good enough i felt. That changed with phii, it is easy overclokcabel, headroom enough, cheap, and it has AOD, this things make it easy for even a none nerd to get the most out its system.

And before u get up to graphic solutions as good as 4870 CF, core i7 is mostly a waste of money.

This articel i actully loved, comparing 2 systems within in the same price range, that is what i always wanted to see. Do i question cleeves finding, no i dont, beside the fact that the selection of games.

What would i put up against the SMB core i7 system. The price of cpu, motherboard, ram, graphic cards in that build is round 1350 us dollars in norway.

To go against that i would actually put up a system containing

phii940, msi k9as platium 790fx, 4 gb ocz pc-8500 ram, 2 x saphire radeon 4890 1 gb overclocked, SSD disk OCZ Vertex 60 gb and a Schyte kama angel cpu cooler, price for that round 1359 us dollars here.

Can it compite with the I7 system. Well that i hope cleeve could answear. I do know that SSD disk reduses framdrops in games, i do make the system feel more responsive. And the cpu cooler should ensure u get the most out the phii940.

The main goal for a good gamersystem is to keep fps round 60, and with so few framedraps as possibel, that is what a lcd screen can display. Well there has actually come a few lcd and led screens that do 100 hz or even 200 hz.
 
some typos, english isnt my first language, the price is within 1 dollar diffrense, and the selection of games should be wider, but can an SSD disk make up for the speed advantage i7 have, well that is what i would like to know.
 
OK, another glaring deficiency that I've not seen mentioned yet: Since Vista>SP1 and XP>SP3 automatically enable the Phenom I TLB fix on all Phenom I & II CPUs, was this disabled with 3rd party utilities and/or hackery? I'd assume not. The TLB fix basically disables the L3 cache altogether, which obviously would make a huge difference. Also, it looks like you opted for the 9.5 Catalyst drivers even though 9.6 are out. The convenient excuse is that "it came with it", but what so-called "enthusiast" doesn't keep their drivers up to date? If so, in the interest of fairness, you should limit the i7's drivers to whatever driver CDs came with the motherboard and video cards. Doesn't that sound fair?
 
Maybe if you put a 9600gt in the i7 build and a 4850 x2 in the AMD rig that will satisfy the AMD crowd on here. Otherwise they are going to look for any and all excuses as to why the AMD rig got it's clock cleaned.

Seriously I haven't heard this many excuses and so much crying since Intel came out with the core2duo. Someone please give these AMD whiners a tissue.
 
hmm ... so you are trying to answer this question:

"can a PII system with stronger GPUs compete with an i7 system with weaker GPUs for the same money ?"

1. media encoding, no match for i7, no problem with that, this was proven many times.

2. gaming benches are a different story. you are trying to justify the i7 system with CPU limited games, and the only truly GPU limited one (Stalker) shows that actualy the PII systems makes hell lot of sense for the money.

price comparison is out of question, you cannot compare buoytique build system to home made system, so you actualy CANNOT compare the PII price point to i7 in this article. next time do a proper SBM from both sides of the fence and then compare price/performance.

also, if you are reviewing a whole PC, don't try to use that review for component comparisons, it's simply not fair or even feasible.
 
[citation][nom]The_Irony_Is_That_I_Dont_Like_Anand[/nom][/citation]

even_more_ironic_is_that_nobody_cares_what_the_argumentative_whiner_thinks

Seriously dude, you were given the chance to say something relevant some time ago. Now you're just some trollish background noise that's oh-so-easy to ignore.

Heheh. I might indulge myself by prodding you for my own amusement, though. Getting you to regress into mindless insults shouldn't take much. 😀
 
Nice system other than the Kingston RAM (Doesn't seem as flexible as some others). The price is a bit ridiculous.
 
Dude, if my posts are trolling, then what does that make your article? Industry-sanctioned, Intel-approved trolling? Apparently you quite dislike what I have to say, or else you'd be ignoring it or brushing it off like the rest of the posts... The truth hurts...
 
Why_Me... do you have an i7 chip up your ass? If you had say $800 to build a gaming pc, you would go i7, wouldn't you... well i suppose you could just pull the one from your ass.

Give me $800, and i would wipe the floor with your $800 i7 build. You still just don't get it. The whole point of P2 is value, did you miss that math class?
 
Yet everyone questioned the results because they don't seem accurate. But you gladly accept them... well, that shows your preference. You are a classic example of a fanboy... disregards reason. With that poor logic, I must say you deserve to waste your money on an i7.
 
[citation][nom]me_and_cleeve_are_ghey4eachother[/nom]Dude, if my posts are trolling, then what does that make your article? [/citation]

I guess that makes my article something that irritates you enough to cause you to invest time into more than a dozen forum responses over a period of days.

Me, I'm paid to be a writer. Being here is part of the job, so if I can cheeze off a troll I consider it a bonus. :)
 
You got ATI cards versus NVidia cards... seriously it doesn`t prove much about which processor is better...

But we know for sure which system is better. But even there, an important point to notice is the tend we see for anyone wanting to play in High resolution aka 1920X1200... does the extra 5 FPS really worth the extra money? In my opinion absolutely not. Also, if games demanding like Crysis begin to be more available. Seriously, change the 955 by a 720 and I am sure you will achieve about the same fps on your Gaming Dragon.
 
[citation][nom]kevin1212[/nom]http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 278-9.htmlToms very own review of the phenom 955, gaming benchmarks... now that is a test with the same gpu, is there a big difference?[/citation]

Bingo... Now what should be tested is CrossFire on i7 compared to Crossfire on Phenom II... because right now we can only see the difference between completly different system. It`s like comparing a PS3 to an x360. It`s impossible right now to find the real value of these cpus.

[citation][nom]sublifer[/nom]You did pick games that have always heavily favored nvidia gfx cards... much less balance than normal. You guys usually give us a show of both the nvidia optimized and the AMD optimized games but this time just nvidia..[/citation]

I also concur on that... it`s like showing only one side of the medal.
 
[citation][nom]redgarl[/nom]Bingo... Now what should be tested is CrossFire on i7 compared to Crossfire on Phenom II[/citation]

That's the plan bro, re-testing is in progress as noted a few pages ago.

Of course, nobody is expected to look at all of the pages in this mess, so I pop in now and again to let everyoine know we're looking into it.
 
I am sure someone already said this but I would think you would test two nearly identical systems. There could have been a driver issue or crossfire issue. Please keep us posted.
 
[citation][nom]caamsa[/nom]I am sure someone already said this but I would think you would test two nearly identical systems. There could have been a driver issue or crossfire issue. Please keep us posted.[/citation]

Yes, same RAM, videocards, and Drivers. This is actually a detriment to the i7 system because using the same two memory sticks from the AM3 system will prevent it from working in triple-channel mode. I'm not sure how else to ensure equality with this issue, thoguh.
 
@ Cleeve

Maybe if you don't allow any electricity to the i7 thus not being able to turn it on will help even up the test results. Or you could just not put any memory sticks in the i7. This I think should satisfy the AMD fans on here. I mean not putting the correct RAM in the i7 ? wtf ? Let AMD come up with a triple channel option. It's not Intels fault, nor yours that AMD hasn't the technology for this yet.
 
@Cleeve

Whoa! Re the memory . . . if one system required 498W and the other 505W, would you use a 498W supply for both? Disabling DDR3 is like disabling HT. When you are done, what would have been proven? Nothing.

Your first test attempted to take advantage of an opportunity to show how a $1,300 AMD system would perform vs the Intel you chose. It produced results, though some seem anomalous at least to some. At an arbitrary $1,200 or $1,400, the results might have been different. Tough luck.

What of those anomalies? Investigating them is fair, and probably interesting to all of us.

But now you've been complicit in being bullied into another test. To prove exactly what? Price is not the issue now. i7 performance vs AMD *is* the issue.

While holding the vid cards, drivers, etc constant is certainly reasonable, what is the possible excuse not to use DDR3 in the Intel? Its part of the technology being tested, just as the mobo is.

Not everything can be equal . . . unless we go back to testing at $1300.
 
Well, I'm more concerned about the 4GB vs. 6GB memory advantage of the i7 than the dual-channel vs. triple channel RAM problem. Not sure how to get around this one.

Do you guys think 4GB vs. 6GB is more fair?

If I could put two 3GB sticks in the Phenom II system, that would be ideal... anybody know where I can pick up 3GB sticks of DDR3? 😛
 
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