if there were only a handful of burnt connectors with the 4090 cards, that would be user error, but with the amount that there has been, is a design flaw, plain and simple. the " user error " nvidia is claiming, is BS and is just them passing the blame to someone else
if there were only a handful of burnt connectors with the 4090 cards, that would be user error, but with the amount that there has been, is a design flaw, plain and simple. the " user error " nvidia is claiming, is BS and is just them passing the blame to someone else
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Sure, people isn't inserting the connector all the way in, but the fact that the connector and card works without it fully inserted is an issue by itself.
I personally think there's some degree of user issue, but not completely the user's fault.
Regarding the vapor chamber though, just avoid buying AMD reference cards, all the cards from Asus, Sapphire and the likes have custom coolers and shouldn't be affected. Provided that those coolers aren't defective.
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Oh please. That's nonsense.
No kidding. A defective vapor chamber is a bit more severe than not connecting a cable securely. Jeez.
if given the choice, id take the vapor chamber, at least that " could " be resolved by swapping the vapor chamber cooler out with a 3 party after market cooler ( assuming the card its self wasnt damaged ) where the melted connector = RMA, replacement, which could be much worse to deal with then the cooler.
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Replacing a connector isn't a particularly big deal and the non-issue affects ~0.05% of cards. You are 20-40X more likely to get a DoA GPU for other reasons.
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A bad vapor chamber design I didn't consider. It's actually quite shocking to see the video. By the looks of it the vapor chamber is undergoing some sort of vapor lock where evapped coolant is creating a pressure bubble which prevents the liquid from returning to the hot plate.
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of course, cause the whole card is replaced 🙂 i have changed a few coolers over the years on some of my vid cards. the most extensive, was the 7970 card i have, stock cooler was the blower type i think it was, replaced that with an arctic cooling 3 fan cooler, went from a 2-2.5 slot cooler to a 3-3.5 slot cooler 🙂
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I don´t see any discounts because of this. But I can see that AMD will have long talk with the company that manufacturers the cooler for the reference model...
And because AIB will use different cooler in anyway and those are more expensive than reference, it just means than AIB models will become more expensive, because of this...
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I will admit this is a blessing for AIBs that want to push their higher margin stock. But if the cards don't sell in the first place, it won't help them. Remember sales are at 20 year low.
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Well, not really, it affected the 4000 series cards that weren't plugged in properly XD
....and this was well established in independent testing, the same independent testing that's now calling for a recall on these GPU's because it isn't user error.
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Why didn't anyone at AMD even think to test the Card with fans down? That is the most common position for the card to be in. We don't all have test benches you know...
Buying an AIB non reference XT at least let me avoid this issue in 2 ways. Its not XT (yet) and its only reference cards
Buying an AIB non reference XT at least let me avoid this issue in 2 ways. Its not XT (yet) and its only reference cards
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Sounds like waiting a full year before purchasing new cards is going to be the new thing, at least this one won't burn down your computer/home.
That's only if prices come down that is, this generation is basically unobtanium unless you save for 2 years or more for most people, and even then I would not buy top end models at those prices.
That's only if prices come down that is, this generation is basically unobtanium unless you save for 2 years or more for most people, and even then I would not buy top end models at those prices.
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How so?? The roughly 50 cases of the melting connector were from all user error from not properly plugging in their GPUs. Worse melting still occurs with regular PCIe connectors.
No this is an AMD reference design failure causing significant cooling issue that significantly retards performance. It's something that cannot be corrected by the user other than through the RMA process.
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"Luckily, the overheating issue doesn't affect all Radeon RX 7900 XTX samples, but the number of affected users is significant, way more considerable than victims of Nvidia's melting 16-pin power connector. "
Why do I have the feeling this whole "burn-in" exercise and this article are really the machination of Nvidia's PR dept at work?? Yeah man, NGreedia's problem is nothing to write about!!
As if people buy their GPUs for the sole purpose of sitting down and doing major burn ins!!
Why do I have the feeling this whole "burn-in" exercise and this article are really the machination of Nvidia's PR dept at work?? Yeah man, NGreedia's problem is nothing to write about!!
As if people buy their GPUs for the sole purpose of sitting down and doing major burn ins!!
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I find it interesting, however, that such great lengths of negative press against Nvidia were pushed by so many technology news sources. In comparison, this issue has been relatively swept under the carpet.
The trolling against both Nvidia and Intel is out of control. I don't think I've ever seen it as bad as it has been with the releases in 2022. I'm all for competition it benefits the consumer. However, everyone must be held equally accountable and facts must supersede opinion and conjecture.
There needs to be more coverage of not only this but the effective paper launch of AMDs 7000 series GPUs.
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By a card that has already been refurbished by swapping out its melted connector.of course, cause the whole card is replaced
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Really! With the 4090 you can just buy a 16 pin cable from the likes of CableMod, Fasgear etc. and now direct from the PSU manufacturers like BeQuiet, Corsair etc and all new PSU's will have the 16 pin cable included...and thats just for piece of mind as the issue has been resolved in that you need to make sure the cable is connected all the way. Yes, still this was the fault of Nvidia as it should have been tested as anyone could make an error not knowing it had not been fully connected but to take the vapour chamber change including the cost and hastle and chance of error in installing for the average user over a 40 series cable replacement seems a bit much.
AMD had a chance but like Nvidia they decided to overcharge and then went on to state how much better in terms of effeciency the 7900 series was with that being wrong. Nvidia on the other hand made a great GPU which was very effecient but decided to become the ultimate scum bags in charging an absurd price of $1200! The 4090 I can understand (and yes I have one with the Fasgear cable and no issues though cost me $20) as a halo product but the 4080 was a enormouse slap in the face to gamers...
A pox on both!
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Considering the issues with nVidia and AMD here, it's feeling like companies are feeding us expensive $#17 and expecting us to eat it up because we aren't being offered anything else.
I guess the big question maybe isn't "which thing will outsell the other," it's "will there be no winner, because neither deserves it"?
I'd say it's probably time for a good consumer strike.
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Are there mods anymore? The topic and the discussion are a tad off course.. lulz
A bunch (not all) of (AMD) heatsinks failed in the production process. Not too many companies these days who don't selectively cheap-out on design, materials, sourcing.
AIB card hsf solutions are needed as a point of comparison and y'all too busy fanboi-ing the heck outta this thread.
Why AMD and Nvidia dont just come out and say it and fix it like PR used to work is baffling. <The point>
A bunch (not all) of (AMD) heatsinks failed in the production process. Not too many companies these days who don't selectively cheap-out on design, materials, sourcing.
AIB card hsf solutions are needed as a point of comparison and y'all too busy fanboi-ing the heck outta this thread.
Why AMD and Nvidia dont just come out and say it and fix it like PR used to work is baffling. <The point>
It looks like we have a bit of an update, though hard to tell right now whether his holds true or not.
One of AMD's OEM partner assumes a faulty batch of GPUs were sent.
As Igor Wallossek announced on his website/forum Igor's Lab, one of AMD's OEM partners from his network has contacted him with feedback.
Accordingly, this manufacturer suspects that there could have been at least one faulty batch of the Radeon RX 7900 XTX, in which not enough coolant was filled into the cooling system, which would ultimately explain the positional dependency.
"First feedback from a manufacturer: they suspect that at least one batch simply introduced too little liquid. Which could also explain the dependency on the location. Hanging horizontally, the condensate would then no longer come up". Igor Wallossek, Igor'sLab.
Accordingly, AMD could once again get away with the horror, since in this case fewer graphics cards are likely to be affected than was assumed in the meantime. Igor Wallossek concludes.
"However, the OEM from my network sees this as the only plausible reason. That will be true. Seen in this way, AMD gets away with a black eye again".
Whether it is actually a low level of coolant in the cooling system or some issue with the Vapor Chamber, ultimately only an official statement from AMD can confirm.
One of AMD's OEM partner assumes a faulty batch of GPUs were sent.
As Igor Wallossek announced on his website/forum Igor's Lab, one of AMD's OEM partners from his network has contacted him with feedback.
Accordingly, this manufacturer suspects that there could have been at least one faulty batch of the Radeon RX 7900 XTX, in which not enough coolant was filled into the cooling system, which would ultimately explain the positional dependency.
"First feedback from a manufacturer: they suspect that at least one batch simply introduced too little liquid. Which could also explain the dependency on the location. Hanging horizontally, the condensate would then no longer come up". Igor Wallossek, Igor'sLab.
Accordingly, AMD could once again get away with the horror, since in this case fewer graphics cards are likely to be affected than was assumed in the meantime. Igor Wallossek concludes.
"However, the OEM from my network sees this as the only plausible reason. That will be true. Seen in this way, AMD gets away with a black eye again".
Whether it is actually a low level of coolant in the cooling system or some issue with the Vapor Chamber, ultimately only an official statement from AMD can confirm.
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Quality Control spent the last 2 years pretending to work from home. Just like the designers, and everybody else.
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These designs should always fail safe. A fuse should always blow before a connector or wire melts. Preferable (but much harder to design) would be that no current flows until the connector is fully seated.
All bets would be off if there were major accidental damage, like somebody spilling a soda on the gpu... But there's no excuse for unsafe design when we're talking about such a minor and easily missed user error.
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The GPUs do fail safe... but performance suffers as they throttle.
As for the cooler... you need a working fluid. If your car has no coolant, there is no fail safe except turning off the engine.
As for the cooler... you need a working fluid. If your car has no coolant, there is no fail safe except turning off the engine.
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