Dell XPS One 27: Can An All-In-One Make Us Love Windows 8?

[belardo]

Yeah... Holding up and moving your hand across a 27" display is more PRODUCTIVE than moving a mouse 3-4 inches. Yes, there is a place for large touch screens... We've had them for years at kiosks. But for a desktop computer? No. What gamer or professional wants fingerprints on their screens? I wipe dust off my desktop every 2-3 months, no finger prints... Maybe some spots from sneezes.

And because it's touch... It also means you have a giant 27" glossy glass display.

Win8 fails for trying to fix a problem that wasn't there. Wow, "nobody is using the start menu" SO LET'S make it suck up the whole damn SCREEN... And make even. Calculator suck up entire 27 " display!

Microsoft, we are cool.

 

[godfather666]

Almost perfect.... well, should have been a few hundred cheaper and come with at least a GTX 675M.

 

[hixbot]

I picture a touch display on my desk not standing vertical where my arm would get tired, but standing at about 30 degrees laying on top of my desk (like a giant tablet), but below my main monitor non-touch monitor. Similiar to the way industrial control consoles have used touch screens for years.

 

[whyso]

Well it shows how bad your average mid range mobile gpu is (640m-660m--660m is about 50% faster at 950 mhz) compared to desktop gpu's. But it really shows that mobile cpus can easily equal a desktop cpu (i5).

I think you should have put a laptop with an i7 and a 650m/660m in there somewhere.

 

[ericjohn004]

Ok what am I missing here. The 1000 dollar build and 800$ build have the same cpu and gpu, yet some of the benchmarks show that the 1000$ system is far better at some tasks while the 800$ system is far better at one other. What's the deal? THey have the SAME CPU and GPU?

Also, how in the world does the 1000$ CPU idle at 5c, while the 800$ CPU idle at 33c? What am I missing here?

I'm disappointed to say the least, that Tom's didn't even tell us why these things are they way they are.

Can someone explain this to me? I mean the 1000$ machines 3570k beats the 800$ machines 3570k by a whole minute in one test. And when your talking about a 4 minute test, that's 25%. You think RAM will make that much difference? Maybe the SSD has something to do with it but that seemed like a CPU test.

And how in the world do you explain away those temps?

 

[bak0n]

And Dell wonders why sales are off. 27" touch screen monitor running 1080p that can't run games well at 1080p. No gamer in their right mind would want either a touchscreen or 20 fps.

 

[monkeysweat]

I read something before how Apple tested the idea of making iMacs & laptops with touch screens and they found that it was more difficult to keep switching from keyboard & mouse to 'click' something and for the desktops, the screen usually sits close to a full extension of your arm and it gets very tiring to use for a long period of time. -- I'm pretty sure Apple would have offered touch screen by now on their macs if they thought it was a really good idea. -- especially since it is a good way to add more $$ to their machine.

 

[JohnUSA]

Windows 8 is hated and a big failure as stupid Microsoft should have designed 2 completely separate versions, one for the millions of current users who use keyboard and mouse, the second for new touch screens. By being lazy, stupid and stubborn and not listening to their users, Microsoft angered and alienated many Windows users. Microsoft is heading to bankruptcy if it does not correct their abysmal policy and fix their horrible Windows 8.

 

[ericjohn004]

Let me also say that I cannot stand Windows 8. If your a chick and you like twitter, and facebook, and all of these little cute apps, then yes, Windows 8 is a success. But how many of these users are going to want a 2600$ desktop? Much less a 1600$ one.

And this Windows 8 BS is being crammed down our throats every time we buy a new laptop, desktop, or all-in-one. We should be able to choose which OS we get. I had the option when I built my PC. I chose Windows 7. When I bought an all in one for my secretary's, it had Windows 8. And I can't even figure out how to search for a freaking file. Much less set my page file, or turn on a file back up. And I haven't even gone on that computer since because it's so frustrating. I absolutely hate it. And she does too, and is begging me for Windows 7. BOTH of my female secretary's are begging me for Windows 7 on their 2 all in ones. But because I'll have to reinstall all the drivers for their hardware and all the software and since they have touch screens I told them they were going to have to figure it out.

And also, who's going to buy a freaking 2600$ PC, with a GT640 in it, an HDD for the OS, and so-dim RAM? I can see the sodimm RAM for space. But really? a GT640? Even my 900$ laptop has a GT650m, which scores 500 more points in 3DMark11, at 2550P, which is a lot better. They could at least afford a GTX660m. It should have a 675m at least. And the least they could do is put a 512GB SSD in there for the 2600$ they want for this thing. Or at least have a 64GB for OS and 1TB for data. I like the processor choice though, and the screen seems awesome. People buy these things for the looks. And it is hard to find a high performance all in one. I paid a lot for my secretary's and they only have dual core AMD's in them.

But if you get only the 1600$ version your stuck with 6GB RAM and Intel HD4000 graphics and no SSD. I don't mind the 3330 i5 as it's like a 3570k. So for a whole 1000$ more you get a 75$ GT640, 60$ of 10GB more sodimm RAM, a 50$ 32GB SSD, and a 100$ more processor? For a total of around 300$? Boy it costs a lot to get the top model.

I notice this with HP too. If you want to upgrade from say a 120GB SSD to a 240GB, it'll cost you 300$. Or if you wanna go from a 3570k to a 3770k, it'll cost you 250$ when the price difference is only 100$. Or especially if you wanna go from 8GB RAM to 16GB RAM, most of the time the cost is near 300$ for 8GB of freaking RAM. Apple is terrible with this too. This is why I love the fact I can build my own PC, and this is why custom built desktops will ALWAYS have a place until something just as high performing AND cost effective is in the equation. And they, people will still want their own built, because it's their own.

 

[lewac]

if you have a pile of $$$ to spend I suppose this works. so how's your arm muscles? imagine 4 touchscreens... that's gonna be a lotta "fun" getting anything worthwhile done. what a joke! and what's with this blu-ray crap? those blanks are EXPENSIVE. quite frankly I don't see win8 cutting it anywhere (go with ubunu unity instead... lot cheaper! linux absolutely blows it away. hell it blows win7 away so how is this piece a crap gonna compete? not gonna happen as john q is too brain dead to deal with yet another learning curve OS. yep tabs are a great invention for the masses (users, not creators). its all they need but guess what? how many of these tabs actually run win8? right.. they're running linux.

 

[rolli59]

Well all I can say is the last thing I want on my monitor is fingerprints all over the place when watching something.

 

[fkr]

on a desktop I think it would be useful for editing, especially when software takes it more into account. Also as we move towards 3+ monitors i could really see the benefit of having a touch screen. what if we ran a small 4th screen that just had files and folders, a quick touch would be better than using a mouse.

also in laptops the touchscreen is a godsend, so much better than any touchpad/ thumbstick/ mouse replacement.
pinch to zoom is very useful in almost any setting
I also would like to have a screen around 12-18 inches that i could walk around the house with and not need a mouse or keyboard to use and also have it be an extension of my desktop.

 

[cypeq]

NO

 

[Rafterman414]

I bought an Inspiron One 2320 last year, the whole touch novelty factor wore off after a few hours. Now only the kids use it, if I use it I don't use it as a PC, I use it as another monitor.

 

[d_kuhn]

If they'd put a proper graphics subsystem into the thing then I'd have been interested. I like the iMac esthetic but want a true 'all in one' as in a machine that is capable at all the tasks I use my desktop at home for (gaming being an important one).

 

[lewac]

don't know your expertise level of course but if you're capable of downloading & burning an ISO you could create a live CD/USB stick of say, kubuntu (uses KDE GUI as default). one advantage here is that you don't need win8. however you don't get win7 either unless you have the install CD (not likely there). there's also the UEFI boot issue to probably deal with (but Canonical has figured that out) if you're thinking of dual booting win7-ubuntu/kubuntu. the issue here though is this: do YOU have a clue regarding what I'm talking about? if no then you may have to live with what "they" have to offer (win8). OR you can also check system76.com (as they sell ONLY ubuntu boxes preloaded). another company that only sells ubuntu is zareason.com. although linux has thousands of apps to choose from its still a windoze world regarding default john q. therefore up to now devs target that platform for two reasons 1) closed source 2) most popular by far. that may be changing though as devs are beginning to abandon win8... at least for the desktop. unfortunately there's still a few key apps that I run under win7 (which requires a dual boot scenario) simply because they don't run under wine (linux's emulator like app that runs windoze apps under it). hope this helps.

 

[belardo]

[citation][nom]ericjohn004[/nom]Let me also say that I cannot stand Windows 8. When I bought an all in one for my secretary's, it had Windows 8. And I can't even figure out how to search for a freaking file. Much less set my page file, or turn on a file back up. And I haven't even gone on that computer since because it's so frustrating. I absolutely hate it. And she does too, and is begging me for Windows 7. BOTH of my female secretary's are begging me for Windows 7 on their 2 all in ones. [/citation] Okay... that is your fault. Take the AIOs back to the store, tell them why.
Then go order some desktops from Lenovo's Desktop line with Windows7.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/desktop/thinkcentre/ = AiO starting at $880 with 24" display. I3~I7 CPUs, 4~16GB of RAM, Windows 7 is default... WIn8Pro is optional.

They will sell you desktop tower at about $680, optional Win7 CD restore disk $0, I3~I7, etc.

So yes... there are ways to get NON Win8 computers.

 

[belardo]

OT: The new blog software used on the latest "Computer history" slide show... is HORRIBLE! It looks great. WOrks like crap.

 

[loops]

I'd rather have a set up with something like Leap Motion for W8. I clean my phone's screen so often it starting to look like a nervous tick.

https://www.leapmotion.com/

 

[hrmes]

I can't wait for all this desktop-mobile convergence nonsense to blow over. Then at least we could have a decent version of Windows.

 

[CheesyHotDogPuff]

[citation][nom]JohnUSA[/nom]A very important and crucial point: Touch screens are doomed to fail as users will find out soon that their arm, wrist and hand will get tired and sore soon as they keep extending their arms to use this pain producing gadget.Who ever invented the desktop touch monitor should be shot.[/citation]
Don't forget to mention having to clean your screen every 5 days.

 

[Crashman]

[citation][nom]Cataclysm_ZA[/nom]No Displayport or Thunderbolt, no Intel Gigabit ethernet, one 2.5" drive, no digitiser with a pen, less-than-stellar stand and a TN panel? Sorry Dell, you've lost the plot. Try again.[/citation]
3.5". I can't believe nobody caught that yet.[citation][nom]ericjohn004[/nom]Ok what am I missing here. The 1000 dollar build and 800$ build have the same cpu and gpu, yet some of the benchmarks show that the 1000$ system is far better at some tasks while the 800$ system is far better at one other. What's the deal? THey have the SAME CPU and GPU?Also, how in the world does the 1000$ CPU idle at 5c, while the 800$ CPU idle at 33c? What am I missing here?I'm disappointed to say the least, that Tom's didn't even tell us why these things are they way they are.Can someone explain this to me? I mean the 1000$ machines 3570k beats the 800$ machines 3570k by a whole minute in one test. And when your talking about a 4 minute test, that's 25%. You think RAM will make that much difference? Maybe the SSD has something to do with it but that seemed like a CPU test. And how in the world do you explain away those temps?[/citation]Most of your questions could be answered by reading the most recent Tom's Hardware System Builder Marathon

 

[Kun Ho]

Better Kinect than touch screen and use like in Minority Report

 

[rbagany]

I would answer by quoting the Grumpy Cat: No!

 

[sna]

[citation][nom]JohnUSA[/nom]A very important and crucial point: Touch screens are doomed to fail as users will find out soon that their arm, wrist and hand will get tired and sore soon as they keep extending their arms to use this pain producing gadget.Who ever invented the desktop touch monitor should be shot.[/citation]

sorry . I like touch screens ... and consider it an OPTION .. dont touch it if you dont like it.

besides , I use windows 8 and like it more than any other MS OS .

people are just too lazy to learn how to use Windows 8 , they want to stick with the old ways ...

now go shot yourself.