EA: PS4, XBox One Are a 'Generation Ahead' of Gaming PCs

[ram1009]

In order for this claim to be true competing companies would have had to conspire to hold back these same advanced technologies from the PC market in favor of gaming consoles. I don't see how all those companies could become convinced that such a conspiracy would benefit them all.

 

[rajyohanson]

Haha, not to mention they only have to push 29.9fps @ 1900x1080, with very little to no AA and AF, let alone the ability to scale it. Apples to Oranges, EA.

 

[Cons29]

stop sniffing mosquito coils EA.
if the console is so advanced why are they using PC technology? if they can match 3 680's ill buy their console on day 1.

dont get me wrong, i have both 360 and ps3... but they are eating dust. i just use the ps3 watching bluray movies

 

[Raheel Hasan]

"5 years ahead of most modern gaming pc"
This is not funny he needs some serious medical help

 

[drbaltazar]

ea?design wise you might be right they might be 5 years ahead but performance wise?lol!absolutely not!ok ok!ms is so outside the box that they will probably outperform the computer industry in any manner for at least 5 years if all game dev listen to ms offcloud idea!but it isn't because the console itself is powerfull lol!its just because the console is basicly a box like all tv have and they will stream the already processed data to xbox .and this wont take a lot of data to do,contrary to popular belief.people all assume ms will stream the whole game in real time etc !lol!i hope ms engineer gets allowed soon to explain the reality !I bet most of what they ll use is already existing and most have been for at least 5 years lol!like some yell sometime on twitch:KEEP UP!

 

[Raheel Hasan]

"5 years ahead of most modern gaming pc"
This is not funny he needs some serious medical help

 

[GNCD]

I enjoy good marketing, but this is just spreading it a little too thick. A bit more and this guy will claim the next gen consoles will cure cancer and end hunger.
Anyway, I'm waiting for the official release so I can build my next gaming machine. I can't wait for the new PC smell when you first boot a fresh gaming machine.

 

[g-unit1111]

HA ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, EA. To quote Brian from Family Guy: "Is it OK if I just call you stupid?"

 

[yyk71200]

Actually, what Taneja said in this article is make sense. Do the writer of this article even realize how efficient and how blazing fast the underlying architecture design by AMD for both? They pretty much just create another, and far better version(if not what AMD meant to be) and to put to perspective, it's an APU on steroids.
8 core, GCN 2.0, hUMA and 8GB DDR5? This thing would eat any high-end setup on their knees. The iGPU alone stands for peak at 8,1 TFLOPS. Just a dip under 6950.

Where are you getting that number? The estimates I've read put the PS4's GPU at ~1.8 TFLOPS. Which is the neighborhood of the HD 7850, which is a decidedly mid-range GPU.

o crap, I typed the computational numbers wrong. My bad, sorry about that.

Still, if it starts at such power, regardless being about on par with mid-range GPU to date, it still a hell lot of processing power right there. Remember what the previous console GPU was? While it's true that it were the next-gen GPU when released, by today standart it's pretty weak. And the developers still able to pull off somewhat great visual experience despite being mechanically impaired and most of the time stuck on 720p(and often hardly maintain smooth-play either). Imagine the possibilities if the developers had a start with spec like PS4 has right now!

Not to mention the fundamental difference between PC vs Console. PC just had too much constraint on itself, despite having better hardware. OS, latency, scheduling, you name it. While developing software on console, developers know what was in there and what to expect to happens, and abuse the hell out of it. And the architectural designed on PS4, just by looking at specs alone, safe to say it's even faster than any High-End PC that stuck with DDR3 we all have in common. And console will always be much, much more efficient. A same piece of hardware does not behave the same way. Remember 7600GT? I can't recall mine has any closest resemblance having on par performance like what PS3 did. Even with Q6600 and 2x2GB DDR3 1333. I need roughly 1 or 2 tier higher GPU to even match what PS3 was able to pull off. I manage to do so with 4670 back then.

So in some sense, I think what Taneja said is partially correct indeed, but not entirely wrong either. Since PC's industry are moving really, really fast by the last 10 years. And evolving to a much better and even cheaper, but if my memories of my issues for the last 3 years running gaming center correct, I don't think people on the factory care about longevity...

XBOX One on the other hand...the DDR3 in it won't be much of a hurdle at first, but give it some time. The PS4 will proven to gives better visual fidelity over it as future games became much more demanding than the first releases. Despite being released on the same gen.

Purpose of RAM is data delivery, not processing. Remember, size and bandwidth of GDDR5 of PS4 will be shared between game logic processes, graphics, and other background tasks (such as updating, downloading, etc.). Gaming PCs have dedicated memory on a graphic card that is not shared with other PC tasks, thus less size is needed, and its bandwidth is often higher than that on PS4 and is not shared between various irrelevant tasks.

CPU on PS4 is mobile and is pretty weak.

Graphics are midrange at best.

Basically, the whole PS4 is not designed to handle graphics beyond 1080p. This is still an improvement over PS3 and probably (hopefully for those who are going to buy it) this time around most of the games will render at native 1080p resolution.

 

[v1zzle]

That's a very biased opinion. Have these guys actually done testing..I doubt they ever owned a gaming rig..This article made me chuckle..Oh and Rajat, I want what you're having...

 

[clonazepam]

I call bull*
""These next-gen platforms create dynamic, living worlds," he said. "Your game could change overnight depending on actions by other gamers around the globe. Your player stats and information can be updated in real time with real-world player stats and injury reports. These consoles are also inherently more social – something that didn’t matter much when the last consoles came out eight years ago.""
The consoles dont "create" anything. They say the same thing every generation, but there's still the cost and time to create games which doesnt really allow for implementing anything particularly exciting. I'm talking about AI, mainly. It doesn't matter what the machine is capable of, what matters, is what the devs are capable of, and what they have time for. It's the same old song and dance. Nothing will get too much better... justa buncha bull*.

 

[rush21hit]

Purpose of RAM is data delivery, not processing. Remember, size and bandwidth of GDDR5 of PS4 will be shared between game logic processes, graphics, and other background tasks (such as updating, downloading, etc.). Gaming PCs have dedicated memory on a graphic card that is not shared with other PC tasks, thus less size is needed, and its bandwidth is often higher than that on PS4 and is not shared between various irrelevant tasks.

CPU on PS4 is mobile and is pretty weak.

Graphics are midrange at best.

Basically, the whole PS4 is not designed to handle graphics beyond 1080p. This is still an improvement over PS3 and probably (hopefully for those who are going to buy it) this time around most of the games will render at native 1080p resolution.

Let's be honest here, given the lack of latency GDDR5 memory design(that was the main obstacles to ever release it on CPU-side tasks) it would not be much of substantial difference than say, DDR3. Not necessarily true on console. But on PC it would became an issue. And I don't think the CPU load itself was never need to be beefier to begin with. For a console needs, I suppose a mobile chip design with 8 cores will just about does it, the key word is parallelism. While us, PC gamers, on the other hand, needs all power we could sink our money in. Not just because we need such power, or the games demand more compute power, but most of the time only because we can. And also, that 8GB number I suppose may translate itself for a whole lot of textures.

About graphic, I think "midrange" is an understatement and ignorant. We have no idea what developers can manage to squeeze out from this specs, not yet. Especially when we considering the fact that the GPU alone about on par with 7850. And I believe a single 7850 were just about enough to handle every PC games in stores today at 1080p at max settings for most title, or expect to stuck on High for some. I, for one, has always been amazed by how far our developers to this date to squeeze out every bit they can on PS3 and X360. Despite being pale in comparison to PC counterpart which uses premium parts. And this new GPU architecture standard for future gaming is a warm welcome in my book. Whole lot of textures, a great deal of CPU parallelism. Somehow, now I regret for ever move to Sandy Bridge and stuck with quad core(the best I could afford). I should have still stayed on my good ol' friend Phenom X6. And to further addition, many developers express their notion about the next-gen SDK for being very PC-friendly and way better(read: far easier to work with) than what Sony has to offer for previous gen. No more Cell's nightmarish programming I suppose.

Anyhow, I don't really think the better GPU a console has would correlates for how much more effects, AA and such...but hardly just less dips compared to the other. Since it's safe to assume many future titles will released on multi-platforms.

 

[hijaxhfx]

That is just crazy talk...

 

[Fulgurant]

About graphic, I think "midrange" is an understatement and ignorant. We have no idea what developers can manage to squeeze out from this specs, not yet.

Safe to say that the developers themselves don't know exactly how much performance they can squeeze from the new consoles. It'll probably be years before they do know.

No one's saying that a PS4 will be exactly equivalent to an HD 7850 forever. Clearly, a budget rig with a 7850 in it won't have the same legs as the PS4. But to say that the PS4's version of the HD 7850 is stronger than a GTX 680 or 7970 GHz? Absurd.

No matter how good they get at it, game developers are never gonna wring that much extra performance out of a PS4. Not now, not ten years from now.

Electronic Arts would have us believe differently. EA would have us believe that Sony/Microsoft is prepared to sell us $2000+ in PC-equivalent hardware for like $500. That's not just inaccurate; it's not just dishonest. It's flat out preposterous.

 

[cats_Paw]

This guy deserves a high five... in the face.... with a steel chair... down the stairs... with boiling lava at the bottom... (and im still less offensive than his claims 😀).

 

[rush21hit]

About graphic, I think "midrange" is an understatement and ignorant. We have no idea what developers can manage to squeeze out from this specs, not yet.

Safe to say that the developers themselves don't know exactly how much performance they can squeeze from the new consoles. It'll probably be years before they do know.

No one's saying that a PS4 will be exactly equivalent to an HD 7850 forever. Clearly, a budget rig with a 7850 in it won't have the same legs as the PS4. But to say that the PS4's version of the HD 7850 is stronger than a GTX 680 or 7970 GHz? Absurd.

No matter how good they get at it, game developers are never gonna wring that much extra performance out of a PS4. Not now, not ten years from now.

Electronic Arts would have us believe differently. EA would have us believe that Sony/Microsoft is prepared to sell us $2000+ in PC-equivalent hardware for like $500. That's not just inaccurate; it's not just dishonest. It's flat out preposterous.

AFAIK, programs development for consoles be it games or any other apps are already started at least a year before the console itself actually announced. And already the developers given a good deal of information by console's SDK alone about how much it can be stretch. Regardless for not likely being technically final specs for the actual release. In some sense, SDK is more like a porting device than an actual development software.

And also, I did read somewhere that the developers has all what it needs from the SDK alone to be able burst out every potential PS4's has under the hood, and not just PS4's, in fact almost every consoles had this scenarios(not you PS3). And the developers able to do so on day one. The reason they won't, most likely, I suspect only about business perspective of somewhat. Even if they did made it to the maximum potential(despite a very likely bad code optimizing for first timers), it would be a long way before we ever get a mainstream cards that has more than at least 10GB GDDR5 for a single GPU to cope with the impending textures or whatever burdens the hell out of that 8GB GDDR5(I put the CPU-memory-needs out of context for the sake of arguments). Another long way if we expect it to happens for lower-end cards.

I don't really think it's preposterous. Let's put it this way, a little bit ignorant way; for a GPU that would be very likely a Ultra Premium parts that again very, very likely has a minor market, to be able to bear an 8 GB GDDR5....it must at least priced about the same as Titan, if not even higher, lol

I haven't read the final price anywhere on the net. Your $500 maybe not to far off from it, but let's wait the actual release to put a better judge on.

Don't get me wrong, I don't defend PS4 and X1 or even Sony and M$ for that matter, I just extrapolate every bit information I read all over the net about this next-gen and give it some thinking as for PC counterparts to decide what I would had to do for my PCs. I had to at least expect the unlikely event, worst case scenario and how to cope with with my PC if consoles did ever outpace it. And I hope we all do the same.

Double the pride, the harder the fall.

 

[dihartnell]

Ha Ha Ha!!!!I Laughed so hard I wet myself. EA must be run by a bunch of lunatics. They really should stop listening to the marketing people before they make even bigger Asses of themselves

 

[wanderer11]

This reminds me why I stopped giving EA my money. There's so many good games out there I see no reason to feed their lies.

 

[childofthekorn]

"you are an idiot, hahahaha"

 

[subaru41]

Stupid, uneducated comments like this is not helping your image as the worst company.

 

[thasan1]

hmm i guess EA will start to sell crack after people stop's buying theyr product, or maybe they already started it. and somebody took some of them without permission..........

 

[happyballz]

Hey Mister Douche Rajat Taneja... do you even have high-end computer where you come from? Or better yet electricity?
What an arrogant, lying a-hole. What else can you expect from a fat cat that use to work at Xbox division of Microsoft.

 

[robochump]

Someone is drinking the console kool aid...lol. Gotta see to believe and just pushing consoles over PCs for their own benefit. Perhaps at best the new gen consoles will be better integrated for improved efficiency/performance but until consoles are upgradable they will never be equal to PCs.

 

[Thorfkin]

Dear god statements like those annoy me so. Rajat Taneja apparently has no idea what he's talking about and now people will be quoting that BS for years to come just like they do with the PS3. Even now there are people who claim the PS3 was ahead of the PC when it came out. As though by some magic having one part in the machine that's marginally better than what you'd find in an average PC somehow makes the whole machine better. News Flash Ranjat. A console is only as good as its lowest performance part. The PS4 and X-box One have no chance of coming even close to a Core I7 Extreme with a pair of Radeon 7990s in crossfire config. No console manufacturer in their right mind would produce a machine that pulls 1000+ watts of juice.

 

[vatiguti]

Yeah you idiot... go ahead and say dumbshit for being paid by sony and microsoft... its funny how ppl would believe you when you say ur handing over a magical piece of hardware capable of a lot more for a WHOLE lot less... smh