Elon Musk: Apple Likely to Lose to Google in Smartphone Market Without Steve Job

[sna]

Apple Iphone 4s outperforms the S3 ...

and the 5 is douyble the speed.

enough said.

 

[palladin9479]

pple has a slight advantage with its content library and apps, but android has the edge in the UI department.

Not for much longer though. The funny thing about a closed vs open ecosystem is that developers will slowly congregate to the open one over time. Developers are who the OS makers need to attract, consumers will select their phone based on the software it provides.

This is an exact repeat of the historical battle between Microsoft + IBM and Apple. The IBM PC "platform" that Microsoft made it's DOS + Windows for was more open and allowed any software to be installed on any hardware (much to IBM's chagrin). The Apple platform was initially a better platform through their refusal to open it up ended up putting them into this niche market. Now we have Google's Android vs Apple's iOS, one platform is open while the other is closed. We're already seeing Android becoming more popular by far then iOS and that number will continue to grow. Eventually iPhone's will become exactly like Macintosh's did, a fashion accessory for people to show off, or props in a movie where someone "Makes a GUI interface using visual basic to track the killers IP address".

 

[halcyon]

[citation][nom]sna[/nom]Apple Iphone 4s outperforms the S3 ... and the 5 is douyble the speed.enough said.[/citation]
Yet the S3 is the better selling phone. Is this because its a better phone or because of what some of you call the "Sam-sheeple" effect?

 

[Guest]

I wish the telco's would stop subsidizing these phones in the US. Most US customers don't understand that the iPhone they just bought cost $700 or more. If the Telco's stop subsidizing, the iPhone would die in 6 months. Maybe the Telco's would lower their Data Rates in the US because they don't have to pay for a $700 phone. I would buy a $300 phone so I can't get email, Text, and a few data apps. I would not pay $700 so I could play Angry Birds. The Telco's need to wake UP!

 

[JOSHSKORN]

Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs. Apple will fall.

It'll all come down to when Microsoft finally has its phone such that it can dock to a lapdock and is able to run the same applications and games as your PC can run, so you can even go to your local library with your SmartPhone and use a docking station there to play Crysis, Battlfield Call of Duty on your SmartPhone. Considering most of the good applications/games are Windows-based, that'll make or break the competition.

 

[sna]

[citation][nom]halcyon[/nom]Yet the S3 is the better selling phone. Is this because its a better phone or because of what some of you call the "Sam-sheeple" effect?[/citation]

Its about the ignorance of the people. they "think" quad cores are allways better than dual cores. and they never care to look at the benchmarks.

add to that they want the SD card slot.

the real Samsung is the note 2 actually ... but they made a huge mistake making it 5.5 inch ...

anyways ...

I think Apple needs a new CEO if you ask me. some one younger. and loves to innovate.

 

[RealBeast]

[citation][nom]mbaron8[/nom]Haha, why listen to elon musk owner of a car company that loses money. He should worry more about his cars because electric cars are NOT the answer to the internal combustion engine. Hey elon, go borrow some more money for your money losing company lol.[/citation]Doh!

He also founded SpaceX and if you missed it they have a huge contract to do what NASA can't anymore -- launch payloads to the ISS, and they launched very successfully a few months back. Do you live in a cave?

And incidentally, I guess just for fun, he co-founded another little company -- PayPal, maybe you've heard of that in your cave? He owned around 12% when he sold it to EBay.

 

[bigdragon]

Apple could lose to Google the same way AT&T loses to Verizon. Do either of them actually exist as failures? No. They are each doing fine and making tons of money. Only on Wall Street can a company growing and generating industry-leading returns be deemed a loser.

 

[halcyon]

[citation][nom]sna[/nom]Its about the ignorance of the people. they "think" quad cores are allways better than dual cores. and they never care to look at the benchmarks.add to that they want the SD card slot.the real Samsung is the note 2 actually ... but they made a huge mistake making it 5.5 inch ... anyways ...I think Apple needs a new CEO if you ask me. some one younger. and loves to innovate.[/citation]
I returned my Note II as it just didn't seem much better than the S3...especially since the screen's PPI was lower than what I've become accustomed to. The S3 is just fine for me now. ...maybe the Note 3 with a 2560x1440+ screen on a 5.5". Now that would impress me.

 

[Guest]

"otacon72 :
Comparing iOS to Android as it pertains to smartphone market share is ludicrous. iOS is on what 4 different devices and Android is on several hundred. Take the 4 top selling Android smartphones then compare those to iOS. No contest on a level playing field. iOS wins by a landslide.

Of course I was going to get thumbed down.. Android fanboys can't face the truth..lol Anyway... the 4S runs circles around the S3 let alone the 5 and does it with half as many cores."

You are nothing but a child. The S2 beat the iphone4s is almost every benchmark. The s3 destroys the iphone4s and the s3 only beats the iphone5 when running jellybean. You cannot just state things and expect people to swallow up your lies.

As for your initial comment. If a company makes one phone and sells 50 million or if it makes 50 phones and sells 50 million, in both cases they sold 50 million but one case is better for the consumer, the case of the company selling 50 different phones. Why you ask? Because that is what is called choice.

Your argument fails in logic and in math and you seem yo understand little about how the market works. Are you under-aged or an adult?

 

[livebriand]

[citation][nom]mbaron8[/nom]Haha, why listen to elon musk owner of a car company that loses money. He should worry more about his cars because electric cars are NOT the answer to the internal combustion engine. Hey elon, go borrow some more money for your money losing company lol.[/citation]
Good luck WHEN (not if) we run out of oil... (of course, it's incredibly obvious you've never ridden in in a Tesla, else you would be saying otherwise)

 

[QEFX]

Apple should try to sue Satan to get Mr. Jobs back.

 

[palladin9479]

Good luck WHEN (not if) we run out of oil... (of course, it's incredibly obvious you've never ridden in in a Tesla, else you would be saying otherwise)

Technically we can ~never~ run out of hydrocarbon fuel. We have the technology to create it from raw carbon, hydrogen and oxygen either through chemical syntheses or various biological process's. These techniques are expensive and require quite a bit of energy. We don't use them as it's cheaper to drill crude oil out of the ground then to try to synthesize it on our own.

Also currently the USA is set to be the worlds #1 oil producer within the next decade or so. We're already a net exporter of natural gas. Fairly recent technological advances have allowed US companies to mine and extract previously uneconomical hydrocarbon deposits. Funny thing is the USA is sitting on the worlds largest supply of Hydrocarbon fuel, more then the entire middle east combined. Previously it was just too expensive to extract.

Anyhow looks like apple fanboys are doing carpet bombing across the topic.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]SneakySnake[/nom]The iPhone 4S was released when Steve Jobs was still alive. (Barely, Steve died the next day I think ) and the iPad 3 was a huge jump (although obvious) because it was the first tablet with a high dpi display. Apple is to focused on their hardware these days. iOS hasn't seen really any overall in UI since it's inception. It works fine I guess, but Android has evolved so quickly and does so much more then iOS, and does it faster. iOS is what's killing apple, not their mediocre software updates. I really don't care at all about what's in my phone as long as it's fast enough, has good battery, and a decent screen. Whether its 2, 4, or 8 cores doesn't matter, as long as it "feels" fast. A phone's OS is the only distinguishing factor when your comparing the premium phones. Speed wise the GS3, iPhone 5, and whatever else is out there are all pretty close. But Jelly Bean vs iOS vs WP8 vs BB10 makes a massive difference.Apple has a slight advantage with its content library and apps, but android has the edge in the UI department.[/citation]
Doesn't matter if Jobs died the day after or not, he was still involved in the design of the 4S.

And I completely disagree with Android having an advantage over iOS in the UI department. For one thing, you have massive fragmentation in the Android UI. Each carrier demands each manufacturer have their own custom UI. My friends S3 while being similar, has some very notable differences from my Droid Bionic and both are on ICS. Google needs to do something to end the fragmentation.

I also disagree with the idea that an Android feels faster. My 4th gen iPod Touch thats essentially the same as an iPhone with half the RAM feels just as fast, and with some of the same apps as what is on my Droid Bionic, faster. I have also gotten more OS updates the past year with my iPod Touch than I have with my Droid Bionic. Last year when I got my Droid, we were promised ICS very soon. We got it last month and that really is the only major update we have had. All the other updates were merely firmware updates to take care of network issues.

Now I know the update problem is more of the carrier demanding certain things like bloatware and such, but that can also be partially to blame on Google because they need to learn a lesson from Apple; throw their weight around to the phone carriers.

 

[assasin32]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]Why that Zak Islam, nothing but an Apple fanboy. Can he do anything besides write articles where he just gushes over how great Apple is?Oh, wait....See, this is the type of article the Zak haters ignore and yet proves he does not come with some pro Apple bias.[/citation]

No Zak will post ANYTHING about Apple weither good or bad it is no secret. A lot of which is not any real story or have any real useful content in it either, and is mostly full of speculation where as this is suppose to be a tech website not a Apple speculation one.

 

[kronos_cornelius]

I only disagree with Musk in that Google will dominate the smartphone and tablet market despite Job's death instead of because of it. This because Android is an open standard. Open standards invite competition, which boosts innovation. Steve Jobs was not only opposed to this idea, his company continually pushes a 'dictatorship' relationship with its developers where no app can duplicate a function provided by Apple. One where Apple is better than the developers that build software for it.

That is the strategy that has been playing out since the original iPhone. Android is more chaotic, but it will be the HTML5 of smartphones soon. The best you can do to compete is what Amazon has done. Fork Android, and make it work for you.

Microsoft may be too late to the game. It is not the 1990's anymore !

 

[kartu]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]Why that Zak Islam, nothing but an Apple fanboy. Can he do anything besides write articles where he just gushes over how great Apple is?Oh, wait....See, this is the type of article the Zak haters ignore and yet proves he does not come with some pro Apple bias.[/citation]
Dear Zak Islam fan, please pay attention to the fact that Android had times the market share of Apple even before Mr Jobbs died.

 

[kartu]

[citation][nom]sna[/nom]Its about the ignorance of the people. they "think" quad cores are allways better than dual cores. and they never care to look at the benchmarks.add to that they want the SD card slot.the real Samsung is the note 2 actually ... but they made a huge mistake making it 5.5 inch ... anyways ...I think Apple needs a new CEO if you ask me. some one younger. and loves to innovate.[/citation]
Who gives a flying fruck to some dumbass benchmarks, pretty please? Oh, one phone can outdo other smartphone in some braindead off-screen benchmark by 10%, WHOA!!!

I'm not sure about you, but I don't do video encoding using my phones. All have quite smooth UI for a while now.

Overal look and feel , screen (nobody comes close to Samsung in this regard, don't let "retina" buzz wash your brain), expansion slots, battery life is the only thing that matters.

For how long does Android have widgets already? And Apple still sells ancient "grid of icons" OS UI. Had it been vice versa, all sites would be crying about "outdated OS". In case of Apple it doesn't matter. After all, it's just a fashion company.

 

[burmese_dude]

Wasn't droid OS the market leader even when Jobs was alive?

 

[murzar]

Hey bro, Steve Jobs wasn't Vinci.

 

[soundping]

Steve Jobs is dead. Let go of his urine soaked corpse.

 

[wemakeourfuture]

[citation][nom]Parsian[/nom]did you forget to read the article about Samsung S3 outselling Apple most selling phone, iPhone 4s?[/citation]

That's sales in the same time period not overall total units. ie. More people bought the S3 than the 10 month old 4S during certain months, obviously they're waiting for the iPhone 5. iPhone 5 sales are easily expected to exceed S3's sales 2:1 in the same time period.

iPhones 4S is over 80 million total sold, S3 is over 30 million. Read between the headlines, S3 has just outsold the 10 month old 4S in the last quarter not overall. The iPhone 5 will outsell the S3 2:1.

 

[epdm2be]

[citation][nom]jhansonxi[/nom]...One platform may appeal to some people more than the other but that is a matter of opinion....[/citation]

No that's a matter of REQUIREMENTS!
I'm STUCK on Symbian because NO OTHER PLATFORM can do full 2-way call recording. Sure, I've looked with envy at those iPhone 5's and SGSIII's but since they CANNOT do that one thing that I REQUIRE they're completely useless to me.

To be honest, a VERY limited set of Android devices CAN actually record calls (proper 2-way call recording). But it's a quest to find which one and to find that app that indeed performs this task on that particular device. While on Symbian EVERY phone including, but not limited too, the Nokia 5800XM and N97 mini.

I'm NOT going to discuss why I need this (it should be obvious for every roadwarrior who depends on communication with clients/patients/customers and whom can't afford secretaries or other personal to handle telephone calls/appointements). I'm also not going to discuss the 'legalities' either because a) in my country call recording IS legal and b) in the majority o/t world this IS legal too as long as (at least) ONE of the participants is aware that the call is being recorded! In essence this means that third parties MAY NOT record your call without telling you or your correspondent about it. But you can record your own calls JUST FINE (even in the US)!

Anyway, I need full 2-way call recording! That's NOT an opinion but a requirement! If a potential smartphone does NOT adhere to this requirement then I will NOT buy it no matter what logo is imprinted on it or how many rich kids with facebook/twitter obsession buy them!

Secondly, this crap about the most popular device is pure bullshit! We're talking of a target group of youth who will turn with wind when the next kid on the block comes around. Today the junior yuppies prefer iPhones, tomorrow Galaxy's and next year they revert back to Blackberries. Why would you care for such a volatile market?

 

[epdm2be]

[citation][nom]sna[/nom] ...I think Apple needs a new CEO if you ask me. some one younger. and loves to innovate.[/citation]

Age has nothing to do with the capacity to innovate. Mr. Jobs was 56 years young when he died and yet he appealed to a lot of people young AND old(er).

 

[amdwilliam1985]

[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]Of course I was going to get thumbed down.. Android fanboys can't face the truth..lol Anyway... the 4S runs circles around the S3 let alone the 5 and does it with half as many cores.[/citation]

iPhone 4S with iOS 6 runs circles? I see so many of them crawls down to their knees. Some co-workers can't even go through a work day with 1 5-min phone call. WTF? is this Apple's way of telling him time to upgrade? Or face the slowness of death, the battery life of death and you're using it wrong of death. LOL.