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I don't think we disagree. I was just trying to better pigeonhole the
different markets. For someone purchasing an inkjet print as a
collectable art form, quality and permanence of the paper and ink are
paramount.
I own a lot of tools, and do most of my own mechanical and carpentry
work. If I buy a poor tool, I pay the consequence at times. It may be
less efficient, or less functional, it may break, it may ruin the part I
am working on, it may require replacement more often.
I typically buy tools of any type based upon how often I foresee needing
it. My general toolkits are made up of higher quality products, because
I use those tools regularly. However, unless absolute precession is
required, tools that I know I may need only once a year or less, will
probably be of lower quality to justify cost versus use.
However, if I was working on someone else's cars all day, I would buy
better tolls to insure against damaging their property and well as
wishing to have functional tools. When people produce prints for sale,
they should be using good quality inks and appears to assure the client
gets the value they expect. If you and you family are the consumers of
your inkjet output, then the decision if obviously yours to make.
Art
Burt wrote:
> Art - I agree wholeheartedly with the premise that a person purchasing an
> inkjet print as a work of art would be best served to have it printed with
> pigmented inks as used in the higher end Epson printers rather than Epson or
> Canon dye based inks. When it comes to Canon OEM vs. the better Canon third
> party inks, however, my suspicion is that we are dealing with a fairly
> narrow spread in months or years of fade resistance from one to the other.
> I forgot the link to the rather crude tests that were done with swabs in
> comparing various Canon third party inks vs. OEM Canon ink, but there were a
> few that were extremely close both in color and fade characteristics. The
> Wilhelm tests were on inks that I've never seen recommended by any
> individual on a NG or forum, so I don't know how to apply their info to the
> inks I am seeing recommended. Suffice to say, the dye based inks don't fare
> as well when subjected to light sources and air quality issues that are
> known to degrade these images.
>
> When it comes to automotive tools - like any other tool that one wishes to
> use reliably over a long period of time, quality counts. Cheap wrenches
> tend to get distorted and can dog-ear nuts and bolts and complicate an
> otherwise simple job. Cheap screwdriver tips likewise. That there are
> several sources of quality tools is well known and the "brand" or cost of a
> tool the mechanic uses is of less concern than the quality of work he does
> with it.
>
> My use of non-OEM inks in my Canon printer serves my needs. My photo prints
> are (from side-by-side comparison) every bit as beautiful as with OEM inks.
> I can print and widely distribute my photos to friends and family members
> without regard to cost of materials and they can enjoy them in the "here and
> now" and discard them later if they wish. The pictures I blow up and
> display in my home will be replaced by newer photos now and then, and they
> are not intended to be archival quality. It is just annoying to see someone
> issue a blanket condemnation of all third party vendors and their products.
> If others wish to consider non-OEM inks they should be able to read
> objective pros and cons instead of the scare tactics and opinionated rants.
> I never intended to become the spokesman for ink vendors - I just hate to
> see legitimate business people and their products villified.
>
> "Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:bx0ie.1371659$6l.287031@pd7tw2no...
>
>>In fairness, as much as an inkjet printer may be a tool, the ink and paper
>>are the product the print purchaser buys. You may not demand "Snap-On"
>>tools be used, any more than a photographic client would demand Nikon
>>bodies or lens. But the print's longevity is at issue for someone
>>purchasing a work of art. I do get people asking about inks and papers.
>>And I am pleased to see that people buying inkjet (or Giclee) prints are
>>asking, because it's a fair and important question for people who buy art
>>they hope to keep, either as a family heirloom, or an investment.
>>
>>Getting back to your car, although you may not demand 'Snap-On' tolls, you
>>may wish OEM car parts, or at least those made by a reputable 3rd party
>>manufacturer. I only put NGK plugs in my car, because I know the quality
>>in Spark Plugs can make a performance difference. I don't buy a spark
>>plug wrench with the same considerations, although even tools do matter,
>>but not to the end user of the product, usually.
>>
>>Art
>>
>>Burt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Lokki - the question of the day is --- what percentage of your customers
>>>either ask you if you use OEM inks or demand that the photos they buy are
>>>printed with OEM inks? None, you say? How many have told you that they
>>>will only buy your prints if you use a canon IP4000 printer with OEM
>>>inks? I can't believe you said none. Aren't they aware that at the
>>>stroke of midnight pictures printed with non-OEM inks will turn into a
>>>pumpkin?
>>>
>>>I have always demanded that the mechanic who repairs my cars use only
>>>Snap-on tools. Very important that no compatable tools from Sears touch
>>>my car. Nothing but OEM for me and my pal, Measekite. He has convinced
>>>me that I should resign my position as the president of the Refillers
>>>Club (he described the nonexistant club and elected me to the exalted
>>>position of president). Then he and I can and buy OEM carts from Costco
>>>on our twice monthly trips there - for the rest of my life or the life
>>>of my printer, whichever ends first. Good deal - you save $3 per cart.
>>>I'm glad he convinced me that this is far better than saving $9 on a
>>>compatable cart or $11 on a cart refill. It takes an MBA to figure this
>>>out.
>>>
>>>"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:dIBhe.3437$3%4.2542@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Maybe you have a competitor that sells prints that are made with an
>>>>expensive dye sub printer where the prints really last.
>>>>
>>>>If you sell your prints for that much then you can afford to give your
>>>>customers OEM ink.
>>>>
>>>>lokki wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
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