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OmiexStrike

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Ever since I bought the parts for this PC and did my first build, it has brought nothing but disappointment to me. In almost every game I try, except for older games, I can never manage to achieve a stable 60 fps or higher. Everytime I fight big mobs, look in the open world, go into towns, my fps drops to like the 30's. Lowering the settings makes it better but that's not the point, I built this pc to game on good settings and it can't even do that without fps drops to 30's. Is there something wrong with it? I keep thinking my cpu is absolute garbage and that I should have went with intel, amd is just pure garbage when it comes to CPU's imo if that is even the problem.

Here are my specs: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qZjygs

I have vsync on since my monitor is 60 hz otherwise I get horrible screen tears.

I also have latest video card drivers too.

Games I have tried: TERA, Firefall, Defiance, Diablo 3 (big mobs causes drops), Planetside 2, etc.

The only game it seems to do good in is League of Legends and it stays at constant 60 even in fights. But that game is designed to even run good on laptops...

The total came to about 1.1k with OS and monitor after I ordered everything and tax. Pcpartpicker had some prices which weren't right and I had to order off other places which caused it to come to that total.

Anyways, is there something I am doing wrong or anything I can do or does my pc just plain out suck and I got ripped off?

Thanks...

Also: My temps and everything seem to be fine, I checked with MSI afterburner and when gaming temps were around 50-60 degrees C, and gpu usage varied on the game tested on. So everything appears to be normal. And I'm not OC'ing or anything as I don't have a CPU cooler except for my stock. I just keep the fx 6300 at stock speeds.

Man, I just want to go into a corner and cry lol, all I wanted was a gaming pc and all I get is fps problems..

EDIT:

Video I just took showing my problem:

Game is Defiance on maxed settings.

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2mgt5ax&s=8#.U9jFuPldX_Y

EDIT: 2

Just two questions I'm kind of OCD about ever since I built my pc several months back:

-On my first install of Windows 8.1 64 bit, when I first put in the disc, the install like crashed with an error or idk if it was a blue screen or something but when I ran the installation again, everything was fine and Windows 8.1 64bit was installed.

-Some wires were kind of sticking out of the sides of the case, the big thick PSU cables, when I finished the build so I kind of had to force the case panels a little in order to close the case. Due to this, the case panels are a little popped out, just a very little bit due to it pushing against the psu cables, but I don't think its putting that much force on the cables, if any force at all, because what is mostly making the case pop out is this little rubber circle thing on the side of the case, I don't know what its for but its sort of glued onto the case. Nonetheless, if say it was pushing a little on the big, thick PSU cables, the PSU cables are sturdy enough to handle a very small bit of force right?


Pictures of small popped out parts of case:

http://postimg.org/image/fha21ii55 (top right corner)
http://postimg.org/image/race7wx5b (bottom right corner)
http://postimg.org/image/wmuhzspwz (top left corner)
http://postimg.org/image/z1hs6hgs3 (bottom left corner)

From these two questions, could any of these potentially be causing fps problems or more specifically drops to 30's 20's in huge fights? Or should I just ignore them since my benchmarks proved my pc to be good and even better than some people's builds with the same components as me, and also that my cpu/gpu temps, gpu usage, etc. all look ok due to tests with msi afterburner and other programs?
 
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Unfortunately I have a single monitor, but I can try alt tabbing real quick and seeing the speed before it jumps down, I'll let you know the speeds in a couple mins.
 
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op, first thing to check is what's bottlenecking, the CPU or GPU. Use openhardwaremonitor to check which is at 100% usage, then overclock or upgrade which ever one it is. simples....

This will also tell you the clocks and temps for the CPU and GPU to see if either are throttling.

Use GPU-z to check VRAM usage.

My guess is, CPU is weak, especially for games which don't fully utilise 6 threads. GPU is not great either.
 
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Ok. so at desktop, its's really weird and it fluctuates a lot, like it goes from 1.4 to 2.8 to 3.5 to 4.1 maximum but only for a split second in the 4.1 area. It mostly hangs at 1.4 at desktop. And when gaming (Firefall example game) it also fluctuates but its mainly around 3.8 -4.1 max, mainly sticks to 3.8 though most of the time when I quickly alt-tabbed
 
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Thanks for your reply. Hopefully it is an issue we can fix haha. Well I ran MSI afterburner a while back and my temps averaged from the 50-60 degrees celsius when I was gaming for both my gpu and cpu. I also did some benchmarks on 3dmark if you saw on the previous page, I did firestrike benchmark as well as sky diver and I actually scored higher than most people with my system so I'm not sure what's wrong.

Benchmarks:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3669229?
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3669328?
 
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Can you suggest me any games that I can try out that my pc should be able to run maxed with no problems? Preferably MMO's? I want to check if it is just the games which I am playing that are the problem.
 
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I see, well right now I'm playing the Archeage closed beta, and my computer is at the loudest its ever been, so it's under heavy load I'm assuming, I took the time to run msi afterburner and here are the stats while im in town, the most heavy loaded place that will cause stress on my pc:

http://postimg.org/image/r7llio6ql

By the way, core means core clock, the cpu's are the usage %, and the ram is the usage.

Is this normal?
 
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Has really nothing to do with Core/thread application utilization with most things 4 is plenty....its just the simple fact that the FX individual core/thread performance is rather poor vs Intel.....Hence why you MUST overclock to achieve better performance....the FXs are so much better at 4.5ghz++

 
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....actually mos tall the games he is talking about use ONE or TWO cores at most. This is the issue. There are plenty of games coded for 4 cores where a stock fx6300 easily is comparable to an i5. Games like BF4 where per core performance doesn't matter.
 
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I agree with the answer above. The games you named are mostly CPU intensive and not really "multi core" friendly. You should check if the hotfix for Windows related with core parking/use for FX is installed or at least give it a try to the soft for parking/unparking cores. You could try the lastest while gaming to see if something change on the fly. If not then core parking is not the issue.
Also, you could check if your PC is running High Performance or on a low energy budget on windows energy profiles. Same on the bios for silent mode, normal and Turbo.


At least I would give it a try before trying to overclook.

PS: I know there were 2 hotfixes from Windows related with FX serie, but I don't remember what for was the second one.
 
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Well, my power option is on balanced when I check it through control panel, and its on normal, the middle one, in the BIOS.

I didn't know about those hotfixes, are these the ones you are tallking about? I found it on this forum:

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/important-amd-fx-bulldozer-cpu-fix-windows-7.206565/

Also, I looked at them and its mainly for windows 7, and I'm on windows 8.1 64 bit, so idk if I should download because I'm not sure if it will cause further problems.
 
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Windows 8 already has the fixes included on the updater, I think.

https://bitsum.com/about_cpu_core_parking.php

That's the program I was talking about. You can use it to park / unpark cores while gaming to see if this makes any difference.
 
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Yeah I also tried parking/unparking via registry a long time ago, but it didn't really help. I think the way the games are coded to use how many cores is what matters to be honest.
 
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I built my current system a few years ago and have no issues. Mine has an MSI 990FXA-GD70 motherboard, an AMD Phenom II X6 CPU, 16 GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM, a Sapphire AMD Radeon HD 6970 Video card with 2GB RAM, a creative Labs Soundblaster X-Fi Fatal1ty sound card, a 1000W Kingwin modular power supply, and an LG BD-ROM/DVD-RW optical drive. I have 11 physical hard drives. Total storage is around 16TB. The main OS and Game software drive ia a Seagate 2TB SATA III 64MB Cache 7200RPM 3.5" drive. The others are primarily for data storage. I have no problems whatsoever with framerates. They are kept over 60fps with no issues. The only thing I don't think I would have gone for in your configuration is that Asus motherboard. I have always had better luck with the MSI boards for some reason, and I have been building PCs since 1989. Also, I would have gotten at least 16GB of RAM. And I never would have put Windows 8 on it. There is a reason that Windows 7 is getting scarce. Everyone is buying boxes with 8 on them and upgrading to Windows 7 when they get them home. It is not designed well for gaming. It's not designed well for PCs in general. I have to use it on my tablet and I find myself wishing I had gotten an Android tablet. I would also suggest putting a better coolert on that CPU. I use an inexpensive Corsair CPU only liquid cooler and it does great, even overclocking it. Also make sure you have as much positive air flow through your case as possible, and that there is plenty of room in there for good ventilation. I have an Antec 1200 Full tower with three 120mm high speed fans for intake at the front, 2 120mm in the back (one is for the radiator for the liquid cpu cooler), 1 120mm on the door, and a big 200mm blowhole on top. I use a 2x5.25" bay Strike-X panel to control all the fans and to monitor rpm and temps. I only use AMD CPUs for my own systems. In my opinion and experience the Intel chips are very overpriced for what you get. You can get just as good, if not better, performance from a good AMD chip as long as you take time to pick good complimentary hardware to build with it. Try adding some RAM, also see if you have someone who may haver a compatable video card that you can borrow to se if it makes a difference. Remember, a video card not only depends on the main chipset, but also on the quality and design of the other hardware on the card. And make sure you have the latest CCC installed. I hope this helps. Good luck!





 
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First of all, most games run better on windows 8.1. The only people who disagree, and are factually incorrect, are those to stubborn to change. Win8.1 is lighter and faster than 7. That is not an opinion, just a fact backed up by mathematics.

Adding RAM will do nothing for his computer at all. That is a very poor suggestion.

We have already solved the problem here. Plain and simple, the games OP is playing are poorly coded and do not use more than one or two cores, making AMD CPUs considerably worse. Not that they are bad CPUs at all, just that a game coded for 2 cores will always run better on intel than AMD. I used to have an AMD build for years and just recently changed over. I agree that their pricing is on-point.

A good example is vanilla Minecraft (no mods or optifine). Given the same GPU, an i3 will BLOW AWAY an overclocked fx8350 simply due to single core performance.
 
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I would disagree with you on most of your post. Desptie the inflated figures MS likes to churn out to increase sales, it is not better for gaming. The only advantage it has is slightly better compatability with hardware. I have tried both, both on my machines and others. I experiences much better performance on Windows 7 64Bit Ultimate. I also do a lot of 3D modeling, and here again, Windows 7 is much better performance wise. MS likes to put out a lot of soft numbers, hoping their trolls will expound the virtues of Win 8, even when none exist. Windows 8 is lighter because it's been dumbed down. And it is NOT faster. Secondly... Memory affects very single thing thre PC does, including data transfer and storage, which affects everything including video. I also disagree with you regarding number of cores. I run very intensive games like SkyRim etc. When I originally bought Skyrim, I had a dual core Phenoim II X2 chip. The additional cores, which was the first upgrade to that system after buying the game, almost doubled the speed. Personally I do not like the FX chips. I prefer my hardware to be totally discrete. Built in video is just unnecessary. I always use cards.



 
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I run a 4790k with an MSI 290x gaming and a lot of games when maxed won't run at 60 fps @ 1080p. At the end of the day you get what you pay for and your build is a mid range build at best, As long as your not expecting to run everything at max settings it will still last years though. If I had that and wanted more power/performance from it I'd do a couple of upgrades, I'd get a 280/280x then get an 8320/50. That's the cheapest option considering what you have, An SSD would be good to at some point.
 
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FX CPUs are quite terrible for half the games in existence. A decent i3 will blow away an FX-6300 in most games, and match it in the others. I'd suggest you switch to an i5 if you can afford it, or an i3 if you can't afford an i5. Or settle for less than ultra/60 fps. Because the FX CPUs really don't hack it in many games, regardless of how nice their artificial specs look, or how many people are fooled by the simple advertising stats.
 
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