Question Feels like a unfixable issue currently, does anyone know if this is a windows issue?

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Hmm so it's not getting any better. Try clear cmos with only two ram sticks in 2nd and 4th slot from cpu.
An issue ive had before, when in bios the screen would go completely black but there would be no restart, just a no diplay adapter msg while the mb still says its fine and in bios, one that confuses me, but it usually fixes if i restart

Edit: Ran valley as it seems to crash the system quicker and well restarted within 60seconds of opening it up
 

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Will do, think its possible that the high temps could have caused the additional errors?
The cpu would throttle to protect itself but yeah maybe.
An issue ive had before, when in bios the screen would go completely black but there would be no restart, just a no diplay adapter msg while the mb still says its fine and in bios, one that confuses me, but it usually fixes if i restart
That's not good. Leans towards Windows not being the issue huh.

I'm just wondering whether you might have a bent cpu pin. If Reinstalling Windows doesn't work, check this. If need thermal paste, Noctua NH1 is pretty up there in quality.
 
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The cpu would throttle to protect itself but yeah maybe.


That's not good. Leans towards Windows not being the issue huh.

I'm just wondering whether you might have a bent cpu pin. If Reinstalling Windows doesn't work, check this. If need thermal paste, Noctua NH1 is pretty up there in quality.
Did check the pins on the cpu but as far as i saw there wasnt any bent pins, did try using a flashlight to make sure but I could be wrong and may have missed it, ill do a full reset and see what happens
 

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Just checking. Do you mean a fresh install? Because reset is different and would consider a fresh reinstall meaning booting off usb stick with Windows install files on it created by media creation tool and doing a full wipe.
 
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Just checking. Do you mean a fresh install? Because reset is different and would consider a fresh reinstall meaning booting off usb stick with Windows install files on it created by media creation tool and doing a full wipe.
ngl I did click reset completely through windows but it came up saying there was a problem resetting so it didnt work, so ill be able to do it with a usb now lmao, should i install my hdd and sdd again while i also have the m.2 in also just so i can wipe both windows os on there
 

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if its crashing with no errors in windows, its not windows to blame.
Linux doesn't stress out PC as much as windows can

Has op tried removing GPU and running off the motherboard connectors to see if it is the GPU to blame. If you still get the problem, it can't be GPU
 
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if its crashing with no errors in windows, its not windows to blame.
Linux doesn't stress out PC as much as windows can

Has op tried removing GPU and running off the motherboard connectors to see if it is the GPU to blame. If you still get the problem, it can't be GPU
Ive tested a friends gpu and had the crashes keep occurring afterwards, id assume its the cpu or mb but im planning to check the pins on the mb
 

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ngl I did click reset completely through windows but it came up saying there was a problem resetting so it didnt work, so ill be able to do it with a usb now lmao, should i install my hdd and sdd again while i also have the m.2 in also just so i can wipe both windows os on there
Install Windows on the drive you want and connect the other drive later and format it in Windows. Or format/delete partitions first on both drives in the Windows installer then disconnect the drive you don't want to reinstall on.
 
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if its crashing with no errors in windows, its not windows to blame.
Linux doesn't stress out PC as much as windows can

Has op tried removing GPU and running off the motherboard connectors to see if it is the GPU to blame. If you still get the problem, it can't be GPU
My main issue is that say if I run Prime95 with core temp open, at the 10min mark my cpu temp jumps from a solid 75° straight upto 100° within a few seconds, power also increase by like 30w, so id assume its more a cpu issue, but I do still need to try the igpu fully, ive just been trying to figure out the heat issue currently

Edit: ill just try the igpu now, the system crashed after downloading a simple file like hwinfo off google, im just hoping its not a cpu and gpu issue as i dont want to be down £1.6k without warranty
 
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if its crashing with no errors in windows, its not windows to blame.
Linux doesn't stress out PC as much as windows can

Has op tried removing GPU and running off the motherboard connectors to see if it is the GPU to blame. If you still get the problem, it can't be GPU
So im doing the igpu test with valkey benchmark and around 7mins in the sounds just turned off along with the screen flashing black once or twice, fps was always at 3-4fps while im running it on ultra, no crashes but idk if the screen going black was normal? Definately wasnt part of valley though. Also does it mean anything if my core clocks are fluctating from 800MHz to 4700MHz? Will add some pics below and im about to try prime again . View: https://imgur.com/gallery/SVznXqW
will edit and leave another link in the same post when i have pics from the prime95 results

Prime 95 test results so far, gunna keep it running for aslong as i can, test started at 14mins, just didnt restart HWinfo to reset the timer View: http://imgur.com/gallery/rFljeNO

but currently 16mins into the test and the temps have decreased down to high 50s, 58being the average temp across all cores,

20mins into the test and im not really sure whats happening, I got a no display msg like when the system restarts but after clicking back on the screen everything came back up and it flashed black a few times but the test seems to be still running, stable temps, id assume igpu can do this? I have sleep on never.
 
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Colif makes a good point. If clean Windows doesn't help then its sounding more likely hardware, possibly motherboard or cpu. Have you tried running only igpu?
Updated my last post above with using the igpu and temps etc, any idea why the gpu would cause the cpu to overheat whether its a power issue or something?
 

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Could be the gpu being another heat source, heat is building up in the case? I had a look at your case, is the front panel on? That could be restricting air flow.

The cpu will start to throttle nearing on 100c.
 
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Could be the gpu being another heat source, heat is building up in the case? I had a look at your case, is the front panel on? That could be restricting air flow.

The cpu will start to throttle nearing on 100c.
Yeah see the thing is, my front pannel is on but i literally have the sideback pannel off where all my cables and and the front glass off while the temp is pretty cold in my room, although i can understand what youre saying bc the front pannel is basically my intake whil i have the exhaust up top. Do you think having my intake up top would be more beneficial due to air being pushed down onto the gpu or would it not make a huge difference? I do have 7 fans also which i thought would have been enough, im pretty sure theyre all custom set on 100% speed
 

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With the side panel off, top exhaust as intake might do something but ideally you'd want cold air coming in at the lowest point pushing hot air up.

With AVX instructions disabled in prime, are temps lower?
 
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With the side panel off, top exhaust as intake might do something but ideally you'd want cold air coming in at the lowest point pushing hot air up.

With AVX instructions disabled in prime, are temps lower?
Not with the gpu in, with avx disabled the temps kept hitting 100° wit my rtx 2080 in, with the igpu and running prime the temps are stable, 60° average while having points where it pushes to 82 max, 2 cores pushing 87 and 86 and just to note primes been running for 2hours now no crashes but some display bugs like the screen will flash black twice every so often
 

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Alright so to try rethink this, how hot has the cpu been getting while doing other things like games? I'm wondering all along this might've been heat related and possibly affecting motherboard VRM too. Your cooler is adequate if operating properly. Perhaps the radiator needs to be else where? And with front panel open and side panel closed so air is moving more rapidly in one direction within the confines allowing air not to stagnate. The pump is pumping properly yeah? All tubes are warm?

Maybe have a look at some placement ideas for the radiator.
 
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Alright so to try rethink this, how hot has the cpu been getting while doing other things like games? I'm wondering all along this might've been heat related and possibly affecting motherboard VRM too. Your cooler is adequate if operating properly. Perhaps the radiator needs to be else where? And with front panel open and side panel closed so air is moving more rapidly in one direction within the confines allowing air not to stagnate. The pump is pumping properly yeah? All tubes are warm?

Maybe have a look at some placement ideas for the radiator.
From what ive checked, the radiator gets warm so it seems to be working properly, both the wpump and cooler fans are on, liquid temp is good also, my plan currently is to try and mount a extra fan which just sits on my gpu pointing at the vrm just to give it some extra cooling, ill have to jump in the bios and make sure the fan is set to max speed as it isnt too fast and was my old case fan, its also 140mm so pretty big, also gaming was fine before hand tbh, never really noticed any issues or heating issues, the system literally just crashed out of nowhere tbh, at one point during the restarts i was able to game for a good few hours before each restart, this was around a week ago
 
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Yeah im not sure how much heat vrms can handle. Try point a fan to them or try get good air flow through the case.
Ok so 15mins into the test and the system restarted again, but ik its not a temps issue as the cou temps averaged around 60-65° towards the end and 78 as a max temp overall, assuming it almost guarentees its a gpu issue but what issue idk, the vrm temp was around 40° also
 
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Might be time to start thinking about rma'ing parts if Windows reinstall doesn't help.
Yeah sadly my cpu came as oem so didnt have any warranty and my gpu was bought off ebay so im not too sure if ill be lucky enough to get a refund and most likely will have to buy the new parts
 

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