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I recently came across some old gaming magazines. In an April 1980 issue of
Different Worlds, there was a review of Heritage's 25mm line of "Dungeon
Dwellers". A couple of interesting points:
1. Most of the figures were 28-30mm tall -- much like today's "big" 25's.
2. The price was $3.95 for 4 figures or a buck each. Checking the inflation
calculator at http://westegg.com/inflation/ , we find that this is
equivalent to $2.38 per figure in 2002 (it only goes to 2002).
Now, Heritage was not a cadillac line in 1980 -- Ral Partha was the team to
beat then. Heritage figures were just reasonably priced and decent quality.
They had an extensive historical line (medievals mostly) and an extensive
fantasy line as well. I think they would compare to Old Glory or Reaper
today.
Since fantasy figures have always tended to be pricier (IMHO because more
poses are required and because fantasy RPG gamers will pay more, since they
don't need hundreds of them), I'll confine my analysis to them.
A pretty typical price for Reaper is 4 men at arms for $8.99, or about $2.66
per figure. Old Glory sells ~6 fantasy figures for $6 or a buck each -- an
absolute bargain these days, especially since their figures are pretty nice.
I'll note that Games Workshop minis are still the price leader -- $3-3.50
each for 10 packs of metal troops and $1 each for plastics.
Of course, today personality figures tend to cost at least double what rank
and file troops cost. This does not seem to have been the case in 1980 --
individual figures cost 25% more it seems to me.
Still, it appears to me that the perception that gaming prices are
outrageously high may not be accurate.
As for the cost of printed stuff:
In 1979, the 256 page AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide retailed for $15.95. This
is equivalent to $42.71 in 2002 dollars, which is more than you'll pay for
many 256 page RPG hardbacks today (and today's hardbacks often have far
more color, better artwork, etc). For instance, the 336 page GURPS hardback
is $40. The 300 page D&D 3rd ed. Dungeon Master's Guide is $30 today -- $21
if you buy from Amazon.com.
I'll check my magazines for wargaming rules prices, but I expect a similar
outcome.
Thoughts?
--Ty
I recently came across some old gaming magazines. In an April 1980 issue of
Different Worlds, there was a review of Heritage's 25mm line of "Dungeon
Dwellers". A couple of interesting points:
1. Most of the figures were 28-30mm tall -- much like today's "big" 25's.
2. The price was $3.95 for 4 figures or a buck each. Checking the inflation
calculator at http://westegg.com/inflation/ , we find that this is
equivalent to $2.38 per figure in 2002 (it only goes to 2002).
Now, Heritage was not a cadillac line in 1980 -- Ral Partha was the team to
beat then. Heritage figures were just reasonably priced and decent quality.
They had an extensive historical line (medievals mostly) and an extensive
fantasy line as well. I think they would compare to Old Glory or Reaper
today.
Since fantasy figures have always tended to be pricier (IMHO because more
poses are required and because fantasy RPG gamers will pay more, since they
don't need hundreds of them), I'll confine my analysis to them.
A pretty typical price for Reaper is 4 men at arms for $8.99, or about $2.66
per figure. Old Glory sells ~6 fantasy figures for $6 or a buck each -- an
absolute bargain these days, especially since their figures are pretty nice.
I'll note that Games Workshop minis are still the price leader -- $3-3.50
each for 10 packs of metal troops and $1 each for plastics.
Of course, today personality figures tend to cost at least double what rank
and file troops cost. This does not seem to have been the case in 1980 --
individual figures cost 25% more it seems to me.
Still, it appears to me that the perception that gaming prices are
outrageously high may not be accurate.
As for the cost of printed stuff:
In 1979, the 256 page AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide retailed for $15.95. This
is equivalent to $42.71 in 2002 dollars, which is more than you'll pay for
many 256 page RPG hardbacks today (and today's hardbacks often have far
more color, better artwork, etc). For instance, the 336 page GURPS hardback
is $40. The 300 page D&D 3rd ed. Dungeon Master's Guide is $30 today -- $21
if you buy from Amazon.com.
I'll check my magazines for wargaming rules prices, but I expect a similar
outcome.
Thoughts?
--Ty