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I have a suggestion... so...
Next time we get some neat hardware that could be used for a giveaway, can we use it for a prize for a "Tom's Hardware Girl" contest instead. Applicants submit their best model shots, sporting geek attire, such as a Mozilla Firefox top, or Google bootie shorts, and compete to win the honors of dressing up in a Tom's nurse outfit, and winning a 6990 or something.
Bored would-be models need something to do.
Next time we get some neat hardware that could be used for a giveaway, can we use it for a prize for a "Tom's Hardware Girl" contest instead. Applicants submit their best model shots, sporting geek attire, such as a Mozilla Firefox top, or Google bootie shorts, and compete to win the honors of dressing up in a Tom's nurse outfit, and winning a 6990 or something.
Bored would-be models need something to do.
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Okay I'm calling BS on these browser numbers. ff and chrome
As far as I can see there are no major features being added. just slight improvements.
as far as I can see it's all about getting attention for their browsers.
maybe chrome started it maybe opera started it I don't care.
just act like every other piece of software and release minor changes as 4.1.0 4.2.0 etc etc else you are going to get above version 20 and people will loose track, stop caring and stop updating.
As far as I can see there are no major features being added. just slight improvements.
as far as I can see it's all about getting attention for their browsers.
maybe chrome started it maybe opera started it I don't care.
just act like every other piece of software and release minor changes as 4.1.0 4.2.0 etc etc else you are going to get above version 20 and people will loose track, stop caring and stop updating.
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[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]It feels like just a few months ago, I was using Firefox 4. Now we are at 7? Within a couple years, are we going to be at 20?[/citation]
Can you (and your kind) please give it a rest with this parrot cliche line! No, in a couple of years we won't be using Firefox 20, it will probably be some other version name, in fact probably version numbers won't even be mentioned - but if you spent some time researching the facts you'd have a very clear understanding about Mozilla's current strategy regarding version numbers. Do you even use Firefox? If you do, then are you against having a rapid roll-out of updates? Got to love noobs who have nothing intelligent to say but they feel the need to say something...
Can you (and your kind) please give it a rest with this parrot cliche line! No, in a couple of years we won't be using Firefox 20, it will probably be some other version name, in fact probably version numbers won't even be mentioned - but if you spent some time researching the facts you'd have a very clear understanding about Mozilla's current strategy regarding version numbers. Do you even use Firefox? If you do, then are you against having a rapid roll-out of updates? Got to love noobs who have nothing intelligent to say but they feel the need to say something...
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[citation][nom]ahnilated[/nom]I don't like that I was just automatically updated to FF 7 from FF 6. I didn't go get it or anything, just clicked on a link and FF updated on its own. That is NOT a way a program should work.[/citation]
Firefox->Options->Advanced->Update ... and WOW, look at that...you can disable/edit auto-update features. Amazing.
Firefox->Options->Advanced->Update ... and WOW, look at that...you can disable/edit auto-update features. Amazing.
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We know that this versioning system isn't meant for users as much as pre-4.0 was... In that, I'm perfectly fine with how Chrome does it and I rarely look at the version number I'm using.
And BTW, against everyone's will, I'm seriously tired of this photo... Sure, it got some good laughs when it was repeated for the first half-dozen, but...
And BTW, against everyone's will, I'm seriously tired of this photo... Sure, it got some good laughs when it was repeated for the first half-dozen, but...
[citation][nom]firefox_douche4life[/nom]Dear non-software dev types criticizing Firefox' new release schedule,Long, slow release cycles are remnants of the era when software came on 3.5" floppy disks. It made sense to pile on tons of features and do a release every 1-2 years back then, because there was no Internet to distribute software updates over.However, with tons of new features at once, you introduce exponentially more bugs, and also more drastic changes in user experience with each release.With shorter releases, you can focus on getting a few new features at a time out the door, and bug-free, and done right.PS: Just because you don't find the rapidly changing numerical suffix to Firefox to your liking, doesn't mean that your discontent is valid, or that anyone should care.[/citation]
i agree with you completely.
[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]Just because you don't mind fiddling with a new release to get everything back to the way you like it every couple months doesn't mean the rest of us want to have to readjust our toolbars to our liking all the time.I wouldn't mind if they did bug fixes and gave updates, but full new releases are annoying at a high rate, because everything gets reset on the toolbars and I don't like to change the layout all the time. The other alternative is to have to relearn their new layout, which I don't like to do either.Patches and small updates to fix bugs are fine, especially if they can be done automatically, but these full fledged revisions reset everything back to their default. If this continues, I will be switching to something more stable that doesn't require so much work to use.P.S. Any discontent anyone has is valid. It's my opinion and you can't control what other think. Apparently a lot of people would rather have a different release cycle. Or least a less annoying one. The customer is who they are trying to please, not the dev's.[/citation]
i also see your very good point.
but take it like this.
most people never add an addon to firefox, most dont go out and search for it.
unless a program automatically updates, like chrome, or no longer functions, people have no need to get the newest until they get the newest pc. i myself didnt upgrade from 3.5 until it no longer worked, see there was a weird bug that made the internet on firefox alone, not function for 5-10 minutes at a time, so when i figured out it was only firefox and no real fix, i went to 5, and when i was told that 8 was lighter, i went straight to 8 in less than 3 hours after getting 5.
now with 8, allot of things weren't up to date.
than i found a way to force things to work regardless of version.
after than only a few things didnt work, and within 1 month, everything i wanted was patched, or i found an alternative.
my point being.
if you use firefox, you are already somewhat tech savvy
if you use addons you are even more tech savvy
if you upgrade versions, you are even more so.
so why nont just take 5 minutes to take that next step?
i can see a business not liking rapid release, but i cant find one logical complaint for home users...
you dont have to upgrade... wait till your plugins are officially up to date if you dont want to learn the work around...
version 3 and version 8.... they both brows the web, and aside from the few cases were 3 doesn't work, its lighter than 4-7, and about on par with 8, but 8 handles more tabs better than 3.
i agree with you completely.
[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]Just because you don't mind fiddling with a new release to get everything back to the way you like it every couple months doesn't mean the rest of us want to have to readjust our toolbars to our liking all the time.I wouldn't mind if they did bug fixes and gave updates, but full new releases are annoying at a high rate, because everything gets reset on the toolbars and I don't like to change the layout all the time. The other alternative is to have to relearn their new layout, which I don't like to do either.Patches and small updates to fix bugs are fine, especially if they can be done automatically, but these full fledged revisions reset everything back to their default. If this continues, I will be switching to something more stable that doesn't require so much work to use.P.S. Any discontent anyone has is valid. It's my opinion and you can't control what other think. Apparently a lot of people would rather have a different release cycle. Or least a less annoying one. The customer is who they are trying to please, not the dev's.[/citation]
i also see your very good point.
but take it like this.
most people never add an addon to firefox, most dont go out and search for it.
unless a program automatically updates, like chrome, or no longer functions, people have no need to get the newest until they get the newest pc. i myself didnt upgrade from 3.5 until it no longer worked, see there was a weird bug that made the internet on firefox alone, not function for 5-10 minutes at a time, so when i figured out it was only firefox and no real fix, i went to 5, and when i was told that 8 was lighter, i went straight to 8 in less than 3 hours after getting 5.
now with 8, allot of things weren't up to date.
than i found a way to force things to work regardless of version.
after than only a few things didnt work, and within 1 month, everything i wanted was patched, or i found an alternative.
my point being.
if you use firefox, you are already somewhat tech savvy
if you use addons you are even more tech savvy
if you upgrade versions, you are even more so.
so why nont just take 5 minutes to take that next step?
i can see a business not liking rapid release, but i cant find one logical complaint for home users...
you dont have to upgrade... wait till your plugins are officially up to date if you dont want to learn the work around...
version 3 and version 8.... they both brows the web, and aside from the few cases were 3 doesn't work, its lighter than 4-7, and about on par with 8, but 8 handles more tabs better than 3.
[citation][nom]omnimodis78[/nom]Can you (and your kind) please give it a rest with this parrot cliche line! No, in a couple of years we won't be using Firefox 20, it will probably be some other version name, in fact probably version numbers won't even be mentioned - but if you spent some time researching the facts you'd have a very clear understanding about Mozilla's current strategy regarding version numbers. Do you even use Firefox? If you do, then are you against having a rapid roll-out of updates? Got to love noobs who have nothing intelligent to say but they feel the need to say something...[/citation]
Yes, I use FF, and yes, I'm against rapid fire updates. I just want to log on and use the browser. I hate being bombarded with updates, but what really annoys me is that the last two updates reset all my toobars. That meant I had to spend a few minutes readjusting everything and trying to remember were everything goes. This happened going from FF 3.6 to 4, to 5 to 6. Everyone one had a unique layout that required me to readjust things to the way I like to use it.
Yes, I use FF, and yes, I'm against rapid fire updates. I just want to log on and use the browser. I hate being bombarded with updates, but what really annoys me is that the last two updates reset all my toobars. That meant I had to spend a few minutes readjusting everything and trying to remember were everything goes. This happened going from FF 3.6 to 4, to 5 to 6. Everyone one had a unique layout that required me to readjust things to the way I like to use it.
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Stopped caring about firefox after version 4. Too many versions coming to be exited and they're all the same. Chrome doesn't give me this version hype bs.
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Too late, i got fed up with 6.0.2 and about a 50% (sugjective) failure rate at rendering pages properly... the same pages I load every day. I'm back to Chrome until they slip up... then maybe I get me some of that foxey yepyep... we shall see.
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A bunch of blabbing without even looking... What did Firefox 7 bring?
- a new memory manager (-50% RAM use)
- updated rendering engine (better HTML5 support)
- updated font engine (better font rendering)
- improved script engine (better performance)
Does that not rate a new release? While I can certainly understand the feeling of constant updates, seeing how Firefox 4 took its time to come out because it was piling features that all needed to be debugged together, I'd rather have frequent not too disruptive updates than an outdated browser suddenly replaced by a paradigm-changing one - which isn't even stable.
Interestingly though, I've had no toolbar/menu changes ever since I reset my toolbars in 4.0. And since only one extension I use is binary based, updates are usually smooth.
- a new memory manager (-50% RAM use)
- updated rendering engine (better HTML5 support)
- updated font engine (better font rendering)
- improved script engine (better performance)
Does that not rate a new release? While I can certainly understand the feeling of constant updates, seeing how Firefox 4 took its time to come out because it was piling features that all needed to be debugged together, I'd rather have frequent not too disruptive updates than an outdated browser suddenly replaced by a paradigm-changing one - which isn't even stable.
Interestingly though, I've had no toolbar/menu changes ever since I reset my toolbars in 4.0. And since only one extension I use is binary based, updates are usually smooth.
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I feel bad for the guy at Pale Moon that has to compile a lot more often now because of Mozilla.
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[citation][nom]someoneelse[/nom]Okay I'm calling BS on these browser numbers. ff and chromeAs far as I can see there are no major features being added. just slight improvements. as far as I can see it's all about getting attention for their browsers. maybe chrome started it maybe opera started it I don't care.[/citation]
Opera has been around since about 1995 (before it was renamed Opera) so it has taken about 15 years to reach version 11.51. So far, Opera is NOT playing this stupid versions game. Just Chrome and ff.
[citation][nom]omnimodis78[/nom]Can you (and your kind) please give it a rest with this parrot cliche line! No, in a couple of years we won't be using Firefox 20, it will probably be some other version name, in fact probably version numbers won't even be mentioned - but if you spent some time researching the facts you'd have a very clear understanding about Mozilla's current strategy regarding version numbers.[/citation]
What? It you mean ff will someday (not year) be renamed "Mozilla's GTX FireFox 250" and then the following month, "Mozilla GTs FireFox 480-SS"? No research is required. Mozilla is playing a marketing game or being very retarded or both. Nothing more. ff is offically (in the real world) "version 4.31" Not 7.xx
And NO... *WE* have a right to tell Mozilla that they SUCK for playing a versions game with Chrome.
@bystander : Going from Opera 10 > 11 and other minor true updates... my tool bars rarely ever get changed. Its far more customizable than anything else out there.
Opera has been around since about 1995 (before it was renamed Opera) so it has taken about 15 years to reach version 11.51. So far, Opera is NOT playing this stupid versions game. Just Chrome and ff.
[citation][nom]omnimodis78[/nom]Can you (and your kind) please give it a rest with this parrot cliche line! No, in a couple of years we won't be using Firefox 20, it will probably be some other version name, in fact probably version numbers won't even be mentioned - but if you spent some time researching the facts you'd have a very clear understanding about Mozilla's current strategy regarding version numbers.[/citation]
What? It you mean ff will someday (not year) be renamed "Mozilla's GTX FireFox 250" and then the following month, "Mozilla GTs FireFox 480-SS"? No research is required. Mozilla is playing a marketing game or being very retarded or both. Nothing more. ff is offically (in the real world) "version 4.31" Not 7.xx
And NO... *WE* have a right to tell Mozilla that they SUCK for playing a versions game with Chrome.
@bystander : Going from Opera 10 > 11 and other minor true updates... my tool bars rarely ever get changed. Its far more customizable than anything else out there.
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[citation][nom]rabidface[/nom] And Chrome eats about half less than either browser. Same 4 websites on their homepage. Toms Hardware, HardOCP, Cnet, and Engadget.Google Chrome 14.0.835.186 = 230,488k IE 9.00.8112.16421 = 473,996k Firefox 7.0 = 400,672k[/citation]
340MB for me, and I have 8 different websites open...
I don't really care what they call a new version. I didn't notice any difference, except that my ScreenGrab and Java addons are off due to incompatibility with 7.0.1 😀
Oh yeah, and I also NEVER have crashes/freezes/broken toolbars. FF often freezes on my netbook, but that's because it has 900 MHz Celeron M with 1GB RAM. I tried Chrome there, it was even worse
My laptop (1.8 GHz Celeron M) and desktop - never.
Wait, I had an FF crash ONCE. And why? nVidia newest WHQL (280.26) is glitchy 😀
340MB for me, and I have 8 different websites open...
I don't really care what they call a new version. I didn't notice any difference, except that my ScreenGrab and Java addons are off due to incompatibility with 7.0.1 😀
Oh yeah, and I also NEVER have crashes/freezes/broken toolbars. FF often freezes on my netbook, but that's because it has 900 MHz Celeron M with 1GB RAM. I tried Chrome there, it was even worse
My laptop (1.8 GHz Celeron M) and desktop - never.Wait, I had an FF crash ONCE. And why? nVidia newest WHQL (280.26) is glitchy 😀
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The only noticeable difference I can detect is the fonts, which I absolutely hate compared to how they were before.
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