[SOLVED] First build! Could I get some feedback?

[Tobizz]

Hey guys,

I'm about to purchase this build, can anyone give me improvements/feedback? I'd like to make sure all parts are compatible before I purchase. Thanks!

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/yQ4qvW

 

[jeremyj_83]

Looks good. Only change I would make is in the PSU. This is nothing against the RMx, you just don't need a 750W PSU. A 550W or 650W will be plenty and you can save some money by going with the Seasonic Focus GX. https://www.cdromland.nl/product/0/...5_1594742775_73fc75d619f713bb4f9f2fa4395c4afa Again just get the 550W or 650W and save some money.

 

[madmatt30]

It's solid.

The usb c port on the case won't be use able as it does state on partpicker.

I'd make 2 simple changes personally

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product...-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-hx432c16fb3k216

I'll always pick Kingston hyper x over corsair vengeance.

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product...-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020178-na

The Rmx is better quality than the Rm.

Its €10 less and 650w is way way more than you need anyway.

I would consider an aftermarket cooler, the wraith prism is fine but can get noisy under heavy load.


https://www.amazon.nl/s?k=He1425&ref=is_s

The fortis 3 is an amazing cooler for €35

You are also going to need intake fans, the h510 comes with 2 exhaust fitted but no front intakes.

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/HPZQzy/arctic-arctic-f12-pwm-57-cfm-120-mm-fan-af12pwm

2 of those will do the job.

 

[Tobizz]

Thanks very much for your reply.
Should I go with 3600 ram instead of 3200? I heard it was better with my CPU.
I'll follow the rest of your tips, but I read that the H510 works with negative pressure and that it doesn't need the front intake fans, do you know anything about that?
Appreciate it!

It's solid.

The usb c port on the case won't be use able as it does state on partpicker.

I'd make 2 simple changes personally

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product...-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-hx432c16fb3k216

I'll always pick Kingston hyper x over corsair vengeance.

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product...-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020178-na

The Rmx is better quality than the Rm.

Its €10 less and 650w is way way more than you need anyway.

I would consider an aftermarket cooler, the wraith prism is fine but can get noisy under heavy load.


https://www.amazon.nl/s?k=He1425&ref=is_s

The fortis 3 is an amazing cooler for €35

You are also going to need intake fans, the h510 comes with 2 exhaust fitted but no front intakes.

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/HPZQzy/arctic-arctic-f12-pwm-57-cfm-120-mm-fan-af12pwm

2 of those will do the job.

 

[jeremyj_83]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product...-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020178-na

The Rmx is better quality than the Rm.

Its €10 less and 650w is way way more than you need anyway.

650W Focus GX is 100 Euro. https://www.cdromland.nl/product/0/...5_1594742775_73fc75d619f713bb4f9f2fa4395c4afa

Thanks very much for your reply.
Should I go with 3600 ram instead of 3200? I heard it was better with my CPU.
I'll follow the rest of your tips, but I read that the H510 works with negative pressure and that it doesn't need the front intake fans, do you know anything about that?
Appreciate it!

As long as the difference in price isn't more than 5% then going with the 3600MHz RAM makes sense. The reason is you will only get 2-3% more performance with 3600MHz RAM vs 3200MHz RAM. That means that you lose the price/performance ratio real quick when over 5% difference in cost.

 

[madmatt30]

Thanks very much for your reply.
Should I go with 3600 ram instead of 3200? I heard it was better with my CPU.
I'll follow the rest of your tips, but I read that the H510 works with negative pressure and that it doesn't need the front intake fans, do you know anything about that?
Appreciate it!

You need front intakes in virtually any build apart from the lowest powered ones without a GPU.

In a gaming rig like yours they're an absolute necessity, both your cpu and gpu would end up thermal throttling under heavy loads without.

You could manage without buying fans by swapping that top exhaust to the front as an intake, I personally would buy 2 extra fans as I suggested fans and be done.

 

[GarrettL]

The fan placement in the NZXT 500 series is by design with only a rear and top exhaust fan. It's a negative pressure case and it works quite well.

I have a 3800x with a Corsair H60 and 2070 Super in my 500H but I swapped out the top exhaust for a 140mm fan.

I do not hear my pc when doing any general task. It will get slightly louder when gaming, but not much.

My gpu runs at 54C running FurMark back to back, it's the Asus ROG with the three fan set up like your Gigabyte 2070S. I'm amazed at how cool the gpu is in this case as you would not think this is possible.

My 3800x will top out at 74C during stress tests. My ambient is usually 23C.

I love the 500 series case and would recommend them as they do run very quiet and cool too. You can install front intake fans if you would like but this interrupts the airflow to the gpu and will increase it's temps by a few degrees. There are some good reviews on Youtube regarding this case.

Pic of it in my avatar.

 

[madmatt30]

The fan placement in the NZXT 500 series is by design with only a rear and top exhaust fan. It's a negative pressure case and it works quite well.

I have a 3800x with a Corsair H60 and 2070 Super in my 500H but I swapped out the top exhaust for a 140mm fan.

I do not hear my pc when doing any general task. It will get slightly louder when gaming, but not much.

My gpu runs at 54C running FurMark back to back, it's the Asus ROG with the three fan set up like your Gigabyte 2070S. I'm amazed at how cool the gpu is in this case as you would not think this is possible.

My 3800x will top out at 74C during stress tests. My ambient is usually 23C.

I love the 500 series case and would recommend them as they do run very quiet and cool too. You can install front intake fans if you would like but this interrupts the airflow to the gpu and will increase it's temps by a few degrees. There are some good reviews on Youtube regarding this case.

Pic of it in my avatar.

There's no such thing as a negative pressure case.

Putting in front intakes can't possibly increase gpu or cpu temps.

In any build keeping air moving from front to back is key.

It doesn't come with front intakes simply to keep the price down because a lot of people will stick a 240mm aio in the front.

It absolutely needs intake fans when you're running a 3700x and a 2070 super, there's no way around that, it's an absolute 100% fact.

 

[GarrettL]

There's no such thing as a negative pressure case.

Putting in front intakes can't possibly increase gpu or cpu temps.

In any build keeping air moving from front to back is key.

It doesn't come with front intakes simply to keep the price down because a lot of people will stick a 240mm aio in the front.

It absolutely needs intake fans when you're running a 3700x and a 2070 super, there's no way around that, it's an absolute 100% fact.

Yes, many cases are sold without fans to keep costs down.

I have personal experience with this case.

Not even 30 seconds into the video listen to what he says. Please Google this case and see the temps when installing front fans.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HK5Aulw7YI

 

[madmatt30]

Yes, many cases are sold without fans to keep costs down.

I have personal experience with this case.

Not even 30 seconds into the video listen to what he says. Please Google this case and see the temps when installing front fans.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HK5Aulw7YI

I simply wouldn't buy it then, there are way better cases airflow wise.

 

[madmatt30]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/Tkdrxr/antec-nx600-atx-mid-tower-case-nx600

Should be considered even if you're not bothered about rgb (they can be switched off)
Insane value with 4 preinstalled fans.

 

[boju]

No, intake fans to keep pressure and move air quicker is MOST efficient way of dissipating heat. There's no denying it.

Case manufacturers skimp on air intakes. It's not ideal. Many many threads of heat issues I've seen have case with only exhaust fans, top and rear, no fresh air being forced in at all.

Temps might be ok for some like this but i definitely would go a different route. Air flow is important, especially for the PSU. Definitely don't want the PSU taking in extra heat because it's being used as a vacuum to compensate unnecessary suction.

 

[GarrettL]

I simply wouldn't buy it then, there are way better cases airflow wise.

Yes, I see.

I'm 52 and had several cases through the years including the HAF 932. I understand airflow and it's importance.

I'm not running some low end build in this case. It's a 3800 and a 2070S. If the NZXT 500 case can keep the components this cool with only 2 exhaust fans then evidently it's actually quite a good design, regardless of your viewpoint. I speak from experience with the NZXT.

Considering the similarity of the OP's build and mine, as well as my experience it will perform quite well.

 

[madmatt30]

Yes, I see.

I'm 52 and had several cases through the years including the HAF 932. I understand airflow and it's importance.

I'm not running some low end build in this case. It's a 3800 and a 2070S. If the NZXT 500 case can keep the components this cool with only 2 exhaust fans then evidently it's actually quite a good design, regardless of your viewpoint. I speak from experience with the NZXT.

Considering the similarity of the OP's build and mine, as well as my experience it will perform quite well.

I'm sure it does and your build looks lovely.

It does however have an aio so that cpu air iss exhausted directly out of the case leaving the top exhaust to generally remove gpu heat (with some help from the rear rad fan)

It will however not perform nearly as well with the wraith prism or with any tower cooler.

Apart from the aesthetics I'm honestly not a fan (excuse the pun) of any of these solid fronted cases with poor airflow.

 

[Tobizz]

I'm sure it does and your build looks lovely.

It does however have an aio so that cpu air iss exhausted directly out of the case leaving the top exhaust to generally remove gpu heat (with some help from the rear rad fan)

It will however not perform nearly as well with the wraith prism or with any tower cooler.

Apart from the aesthetics I'm honestly not a fan (excuse the pun) of any of these solid fronted cases with poor airflow.

Love the pun.
Would you recommend Meshify C case instead to correct this problem? Or add an aio to my build? Thanks

 

[madmatt30]

Love the pun.
Would you recommend Meshify C case instead to correct this problem? Or add an aio to my build? Thanks

Meshify C is one of the best cases around cooling wise.

I'd absolutely recommend it.

 

[GarrettL]

Yes it's good but let's compare. The cpu temps in NZXT during testing (top filter removed) is 3 degrees warmer than the Meshy C.

During the gpu test the Meshy C is 5 degrees warmer than the NZXT. In fact, the Meshy C actually did somewhat poorly compared to many other cases in gpu tests.

There are many cpu coolers on the market that can be used to attain the best cpu thermal performance. You prevent thermal throttling with the right cooler choice.

For gpu's you are stuck with the manufacturer's heat sink unless you invest in water cooling. Keeping the gpu temps in check is as important as the cpu temps to prevent thermal throttling.

I'm not trying to argue that one case is superior to the other. I'm trying to use the facts available so the OP understands it's not about how many fans are in a case, but how efficiently those fans are used.

@Tobizz , the 3700x is a great cpu and the Wraith Prism is a sufficient cooler. There is a switch on the cooler to run the fan on low or high. It comes set on low and it needs to be put on high. But when you load your cpu that cooler gets quite loud.

Please see the link for comparison testing and charts.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3309-nzxt-h500-case-review-thermals-noise-vs-s340

 

[madmatt30]

Yes it's good but let's compare. The cpu temps in NZXT during testing (top filter removed) is 3 degrees warmer than the Meshy C.

During the gpu test the Meshy C is 5 degrees warmer than the NZXT. In fact, the Meshy C actually did somewhat poorly compared to many other cases in gpu tests.

There are many cpu coolers on the market that can be used to attain the best cpu thermal performance. You prevent thermal throttling with the right cooler choice.

For gpu's you are stuck with the manufacturer's heat sink unless you invest in water cooling. Keeping the gpu temps in check is as important as the cpu temps to prevent thermal throttling.

I'm not trying to argue that one case is superior to the other. I'm trying to use the facts available so the OP understands it's not about how many fans are in a case, but how efficiently those fans are used.

@Tobizz , the 3700x is a great cpu and the Wraith Prism is a sufficient cooler. There is a switch on the cooler to run the fan on low or high. It comes set on low and it needs to be put on high. But when you load your cpu that cooler gets quite loud.

Please see the link for comparison testing and charts.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3309-nzxt-h500-case-review-thermals-noise-vs-s340

I'm been having this convo on another thread and while I agree there are cases where a negative airflow setup works I just think for the novice builder the traditional way is hassle free.

The meshify C is a great case anyway, it's impossible not to recommend it if it fits aesthetically.

Big fan of Fractal Cases anyway, my ryzen 7 has never topped 60c in one.

 

[GarrettL]

There's no such thing as a negative pressure case.

Putting in front intakes can't possibly increase gpu or cpu temps.

In any build keeping air moving from front to back is key.

It doesn't come with front intakes simply to keep the price down because a lot of people will stick a 240mm aio in the front.

It absolutely needs intake fans when you're running a 3700x and a 2070 super, there's no way around that, it's an absolute 100% fact.

I'm been having this convo on another thread and while I agree there are cases where a negative airflow setup works I just think for the novice builder the traditional way is hassle free.

The meshify C is a great case anyway, it's impossible not to recommend it if it fits aesthetically.

Big fan of Fractal Cases anyway, my ryzen 7 has never topped 60c in one.

Then we have established that the NZXT is a negative airflow design and that this type of design does indeed exist.

The NZXT and Meshy have similar performance yet the Meshy C cost and extra $25.

I don't see how the Meshy C is more "novice" friendly than the NZXT or dozens of other pc cases for that matter.

There are lots of great cases out there, but I just wanted this thread to honest about what the NZXT 500 series is and how it actually performs.

 

[madmatt30]

Then we have established that the NZXT is a negative airflow design and that this type of design does indeed exist.

The NZXT and Meshy have similar performance yet the Meshy C cost and extra $25.

I don't see how the Meshy C is more "novice" friendly than the NZXT or dozens of other pc cases for that matter.

There are lots of great cases out there, but I just wanted this thread to honest about what the NZXT 500 series is and how it actually performs.

You did initially say a negative 'pressure' case which was my argument.

Im sure it works well for you, that's with an aio though
I personally don't think the result would be that great with the stock amd downblower.
Dropping an aio would inflate cost by $60 so in essence it would be more expensive.

The meshify c simpler?? Yes it is, the stock fan configuration it comes with just works well out of the box.
Drop your components in and you're away.

 

[GarrettL]

🤔
Just wow. Independent testing and comparisons just don’t matter. LOL.

 

[Tobizz]

🤔
Just wow. Independent testing and comparisons just don’t matter. LOL.

If it makes a difference, I went with the h510, 3700x and 2070s, all stock coolers. I will be gaming 1080p 60hz, while watching the CPU temperature, and possibly installing an aio later if need be. Thank you both for the reactions!