Foxconn Workers Threaten to Jump Off Roof in Protest

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[citation][nom]jack du[/nom]First, for the Brazilian, sounds like there was a legitimate claim and cause for uprising there.Now for the Chinese works,"The workers threatened roof-based suicide because they were earning less in Wuhan than they had in their previous jobs."Then don't quit your previous job? Retards.If they were laid off from previous jobs, then sounds like their previous company paid them too much for low-quality labor and their undeserving pay is not substantial.[/citation]
I think it's very easy for us, sitting where we are, to say such things. Foxconn (not Dell, HP, Apple, or Microsoft) needs to ensure its workers are treated humanely and fairly. If Foxconn is not charging the aforementioned companies enough to do that they have an obligation to go back to the companies and ask (there are contracts in place) for assistance. Everyone wants to place all the blame on Apple because they don't like Apple or Apple's products. I'm not defending Apple, they obviously don't need that. ...but give responsibility to Foxconn.
 
Water in São Paulo has been a big issue for decades now and we can say the shortage is just part of their lives so every single company has to buy drinking water regularly. What happened to Foxconn is probably either a problem with the (lack of) management or the most stupid attempt to save money as good drinking water is rather cheap in Brazil. Please don't associate the lack of working conditions in China to what happens in Brazil. Legislation forbids a worker from labouring longer than 44 hours a week and the minimal wage is set by the Government. Suicides are absolutely out of question.
 
The act in China I think is just a monkey-see-monkey-do
They see the previous suicide threat worked, so now everyone is doing it now so they can earn a few bucks more a month. Then the Western media feeds on this crap.
The truth is, I don't see these Foxconn workers in China any differently than your spoiled kids who refuse to eat unless you buy them some toys they wanted. Foxconn is not Google, but I am sure there is a reason why hundred thousands people lining up to their factories for jobs as oppose to other local Chinese companies: Foxconn already pay and treat their employees much better than other local companies.

Keep the complain up, companies are already moving manufacturing jobs to Vietnam.

 
Threatening to suicide is a much stronger argument than simply doing it. The problem with suicide is that people forget about you once you die. But if you threaten, then there is the element of an extreme action, and that threat can be sustained longer.
Our devices would cost the same whether they are assembled in Switzerland or China. The market, not the cost of production, is what determines the final price on the device. The only difference is that Apple has an 80% margin when building in China, where as it would have 20% margin if it assemble the devices in Georgia.

The biggest problem for us consumers is the systematic undermining of anti-trust law. Once you are left with one company (Foxconn) servicing all the major brands (Samsugn, Sony, Microsoft, Apple, etc.) you have no way to boycott the company. The USA should block trade with aniti-trust monopolies from other countries.

Foxconn should be split into pieces like it happen with the original AT&T. While we (the world) are at it, we should break apart Goldman Sachs, Bank of America and Exon mobil. They will consolidate again in the next decades, but at least it will revive choice for consumers, it will bring back competition to the capitalist system, and restore fairness for employees.
 
[citation][nom]upgrade_1977[/nom]What really makes this sad is Apple's crazy profit margins. 30 billion a quarter pure profit. I think they could spare a few dollars an hour. Greedy bastards!![/citation]

Um, I hate to burst your rant, but the Wuhan facility doesn't produce Apple products. It produces Xboxes.
 
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]Apple exploits both its workers and the dumbed down zombies that buy its products.[/citation]


Don't you mean Microsoft? Since that is the facility they make Xboxes in. Apple products are done at the Shinzen facility.

And really, dumbed down zombies for preferring a brand of electronics that you don't personally like?
 
" And really, dumbed down zombies for preferring a brand of electronics that you don't personally like?"

I actually see Apple as a worthy study in the annals of mass brain washing and public hysteria. As such I like Apple.
 
[citation][nom]scannall[/nom]Don't you mean Microsoft? Since that is the facility they make Xboxes in. Apple products are done at the Shinzen facility.And really, dumbed down zombies for preferring a brand of electronics that you don't personally like?[/citation]
Del35 is just trolling again. He don't like Apple so if you don't hate Apple too you're an iSheep.
 
[citation][nom]del35[/nom]Indeed Apple is good reminder of the fact that some people can be dumber than anyone thinks.[/citation]

I think you need another glass of Hateraid. Your troll-fu is weak today. Very weak.
 
[citation][nom]rantoc[/nom]And why do you think the 1% want the unions gone that are representing the 99%? Just shocking to see how many of the 99% think the 1% is right... at least to the day their chained in iron and put in a mine![/citation]

unions use to be a good thing, but now... they are about as bad as they are good.
they make bad teachers hard to fire, if fire at all for bad performance
they do very little for the common employee, specifically when a company wants to make a small change to save money, its not exactly good, but it wasn't something that should have threatened the livelihood of those involved...

some companies need unions, like mcdonalds, where you work harder than most full time jobs, but make so little money, or non comission based retail jobs. mcdonalds specificly could have raised all employees pay to i believe 25-30$ an hour, but they chose to use that money to give bounouses to the top 100 executives.

but unions are also a thing that lazy people hide behind because it makes them just so much harder to fire.

like i said they are as bad as they are good. [citation][nom]TA152H[/nom]No one forces these people to take these jobs. They think that the company should not only hire them, but then they make the rules for how the company treats them? No wonder these countries are so poor. That's what work is. You will probably get treated like crap at most places, and if you don't like it, you leave and hopefully find a better place. The places that treat people like crap over time end up with bad workers, because they can not keep good ones. Better companies attract better employees.Of course, people can always create their own business, or their own way of sustaining themselves.To the liberal twits, just remember, the person paying the money makes most of the rules. It's how it is, and how it's always been. There are limits, of course, but work sucks, and that's why you get the paycheck. Crying because you're making less than a previous job, and threatening to jump and die, is just pathetic. It happens in the U.S. all the time, and no one pulls this crap. It sucks, but it's life. Get used to it.[/citation]

i agree 100% so long as you are not forced to work there, i have never been 100% clear on if its all voluntary in china or not


 
[citation][nom]Halcyon[/nom]I don't know this for sure but I have a feeling that a lot (some may actually be appreciative of the opportunity) of Americans wouldn't be interested if they had the opportunity. These are not exciting or gratifying jobs. Hey, I know. Maybe Dell, T.I., Motorola, Apple and other American tech manufacturers should all bear the burden of utilizing willing American workers and reducing their profits to do so.[/citation]

Motorola still makes Radios in the US at the corp HQ.

the wage they get is just a few steps up from working at a fast food joint tho.

and for the record they have been building radios there for a LOOOOONG time. Better do your research again....
 
[citation][nom]gundam288[/nom]Motorola still makes Radios in the US at the corp HQ.the wage they get is just a few steps up from working at a fast food joint tho.and for the record they have been building radios there for a LOOOOONG time. Better do your research again....[/citation]
I'm kinda doubting the Droid Razrs and other Moto smartphones are produced in the US. Were you saying something about research?
 
[citation][nom]Halcyon[/nom]I'm kinda doubting the Droid Razrs and other Moto smartphones are produced in the US. Were you saying something about research?[/citation]

Motorola split up into 2 different corporations in 2011, Motorola Mobility (they do the phones and were bought out by google after the split) and Motorola Solutions (They handle the radios and have not been bought out)

If you noticed I said RADIOS, and the last time I checked smartphones =/= radios.

and I can tell you for a fact that moto smartphones WERE and are STILL being made in the US.

you really need to do your research about a company before you make false claims, otherwise you run the risk of looking like you have no idea what your talking about.
 
What I don't understand is if the can pay some guy 378 million for taking over as CEO, why they can't provide better working conditions and wages for their employees. Not like Tim Cook did any of the hard work to make Apple what it is today. Was already done for him. Yet he's being paid like he started the company from scratch.
 
us supremes say corps are poeple so that make the poeple that work for us corps americans and they should complain to ther unelected republicant representation in whoresington about the great non-working conditions imposed on them by the americans "us corps" ie poeple
 
[citation][nom]magnetite[/nom]What I don't understand is if the can pay some guy 378 million for taking over as CEO, why they can't provide better working conditions and wages for their employees.[/citation]

Foxconn employees are not Apple employees, so there is nothing Apple can really do directly. Dell laptops use Seagate HD's. If Seagate's factory workers complain about their working conditions, Dell can't provide better working conditions or supplemental pay to the Seagate workers.

That said, Apple could threaten to take their business elsewhere, but is that realistically possible? The most damning information against Apple is the absurd record profits they are pulling in. What they should be doing is paying more for the contract work Foxconn is providing them with a stipulation that some minimum percentage of it goes to increased wages and improved conditions.
 
Jesus! again with chinese suicide news. the silver lining to this article is that soon we will brazilians jumping off factories to help liven up the articles.
 
They should just commit suicide then they wouldn't have to worry about higher wages. The Chinese are even more sheeple-like than Apple customers. I doubt a meaningful civil war would ever happen for them.
 
This thread is quite amusing... Seeing the "discussion" by people who think they know anything. I am sitting in Hong Kong, China right now after a week in mainland China and can't believe the crap that some of you are writing. I deal with several factories in the GuangDong area where one of the Foxconn factories is located. It may be very surprising to learn that China is very capitalistic.

One of the issues I have to deal with is my factories ever-changing labor force. The government has nothing to do with forcing people into jobs. People come and go whenever they want to, usually around Chinese New Year when the majority of the people return to the town or village or wherever their family are. Most usually come back, but some don't. Others come from rural areas looking for better jobs and find them, so they stay and work. While wages are not what people in the U.S. EXPECT, they are better than what they were making before, hence the reason they took the job. Most of you out there probably don't realize that factories in China also provide room and board as part of their employee's compensation. At my factories, most live at the factory compound, but the workers are free to find apartments on their own.

The problem with the Foxconn workers is a few radicals who are making headline by threatening to kill themselves. I bet you didn't know that the factory has to pay a death benefit to the family if the person commits suicide that is about equal to a years wage. Suicide in China and Asia in general is not anything new and is extremely common. Statistically, Foxconn suicide isn't abnormal. It is right there with the norm for China, but at doesn't fit into the Leftist play book for attacking Big Bad companies who make money. People who think that Apple (which I hate as a company) and Foxconn are the only ones out there using cheap labor are either deluding themselves or idiots. ALL electronics are manufactured under the same conditions as Foxconn.

I could go on and on about private ownership and property rights in China, but I expect that few if any of you out there will ever take the time to really learn about the actual conditions yourself instead of reading some agenda driven article and taking it as fact before regurgitating some Great Society mantra.
 
[citation][nom]magnetite[/nom]What I don't understand is if the can pay some guy 378 million for taking over as CEO, why they can't provide better working conditions and wages for their employees. Not like Tim Cook did any of the hard work to make Apple what it is today. Was already done for him. Yet he's being paid like he started the company from scratch.[/citation]
The Foxconn workers ARE NOT Apple employees. They work for Foxconn. Why is that such a hard concept to understand?
 
[citation][nom]Realist69[/nom]This thread is quite amusing... Seeing the "discussion" by people who think they know anything. I am sitting in Hong Kong, China right now after a week in mainland China and can't believe the crap that some of you are writing. I deal with several factories in the GuangDong area where one of the Foxconn factories is located. It may be very surprising to learn that China is very capitalistic. One of the issues I have to deal with is my factories ever-changing labor force. The government has nothing to do with forcing people into jobs. People come and go whenever they want to, usually around Chinese New Year when the majority of the people return to the town or village or wherever their family are. Most usually come back, but some don't. Others come from rural areas looking for better jobs and find them, so they stay and work. While wages are not what people in the U.S. EXPECT, they are better than what they were making before, hence the reason they took the job. Most of you out there probably don't realize that factories in China also provide room and board as part of their employee's compensation. At my factories, most live at the factory compound, but the workers are free to find apartments on their own.The problem with the Foxconn workers is a few radicals who are making headline by threatening to kill themselves. I bet you didn't know that the factory has to pay a death benefit to the family if the person commits suicide that is about equal to a years wage. Suicide in China and Asia in general is not anything new and is extremely common. Statistically, Foxconn suicide isn't abnormal. It is right there with the norm for China, but at doesn't fit into the Leftist play book for attacking Big Bad companies who make money. People who think that Apple (which I hate as a company) and Foxconn are the only ones out there using cheap labor are either deluding themselves or idiots. ALL electronics are manufactured under the same conditions as Foxconn. I could go on and on about private ownership and property rights in China, but I expect that few if any of you out there will ever take the time to really learn about the actual conditions yourself instead of reading some agenda driven article and taking it as fact before regurgitating some Great Society mantra.[/citation]

Thanks for helping us be less ignorant about this.
 
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