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In article <cte44u$86l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robert Williams,
mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>
> Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
>
> Rob

The heads and arms look better, but why oh why did they leave them
with the same lame as hell 'chicken leg' lower leg sections? Almost any
other style of 'mecha foot mechanism' would look about 1000% better.
I'm still not a huge fan of their over-all design. Looking at the
additional pictures it seems like 2 out of 3 of the designs would fall
over backwards (back heavy) and never get up again. Still, you're
right, they are a bit of an improvement over the originals.


Myr :~|

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"Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> mashed some keys in
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> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.
> html
>
> Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
>
> Rob
>
>
>

Great Googly Moogly, I think I just wet myself.

I'd have to say, they definately "do it" for me.

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Robert Williams wrote:
> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>
> Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!

Interestingly, the changes are pretty much as I'd have expected:
- replaced non-matching head
- replaced stubby litte arms
- added shoulder guards
- underslung weapons

If you look closely, the core Crisis Suit (torso, pack, and legs) remain
unchanged, which is OK.

I think the new heads are a bit too big, but the new bits show what
could, and should, have been done with the models.

What's criminal is the pricing -- $35 - $38 USD? That's nearly twice
what GW is currently charging, and more than twice what GW *should* be
charging.

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Robert Williams wrote:
> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html

BTW, how come no commentary on the IG Bombard?

I'm not entirely happy with it, but it's a very good effort. The driver
cab should be wider and set quite a bit more forward, with a more
prominent cupola on top, and a Heavy Bolter on the front. The side
engines are good, but ought to have had a bit larger vents to better
parallell the Chimera. The rear spade is very well done, and definitely
ooks the part. While the gun itself is exceptional, especially with the
sliding breech, the superstructure and mounting leaves quite a bit to be
desired. The two compensators(?) / slides(?) seem undersized, and
should have been done as a quad mount. But more importantly, the load
path should go much more directly back to the rear spade, rather than
forward. And of course, the gun should sit farther forward in the
chassis (which is another reason why the cupola needed to go forward).
As usual for FW, the sides are much too low for an open-tracked vehicle.
I have the standing concern that the vehicle would immediately fill
with loose soil, sand, or snow. Also, the mechanical ammo loader is a
bit out of place in 40k. That should be a Servitor's job!

Going farther down, the new IG Griffon is quite a disappointment,
particularly compared to its metal predecessor, but at least it has a
proper shield for half of the crew compartment.

Lastly, I do rather like the Grav-Chutes. But at $1.75 USD each, that's
quite a bit more than I'd be prepared to spend.

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"Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>
> Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!

These are pretty darn sexy. But if they're Forge World creations with rules
in IA:3, they're probably not going to be official, which is a pain. Part of
me wishes these had been saved for the next incarnation of the Tau Codex.

But they are nice.

Tim
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In article <ctehmo$qjq$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Helicon_One"
<helicon_one@yahoo.co.spam.uk> writes:

>"Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:cte44u$86l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>>
>> Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
>
>These are pretty darn sexy. But if they're Forge World creations with rules
>in IA:3, they're probably not going to be official, which is a pain. Part of
>me wishes these had been saved for the next incarnation of the Tau Codex.

The more FW throws out, the more might make it into the next book - at the very
least, FW support is usually followed by new Epic models and rules. The smart
missile variant looks to be a nice anti-infantry HS choice. If I find I have
some spare money in Australia, I might just get my Tau shipped out to me and
augment them with Forge World Battlesuits (as well as Forge World Hammerhead
turrets, Forge World Tetras, Forge World Piranhas...)

Philip Bowles
 
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In article <MPG.1c6462fe52aa12c298a46b@news-server.woh.rr.com>, Myrmidon
<ImNot@home.com> writes:

> The heads and arms look better, but why oh why did they leave them
>with the same lame as hell 'chicken leg' lower leg sections?

Or the torso come to that. However, they've reposed the legs to look less
objectionable (and they have to keep the hooves for the Tau feel, though I
agree it's daft - we don't create robots with human feet and toes) and the same
reposing draws attention away from the torso itself.

Philip Bowles
 
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P Bowles wrote:
> "Helicon_One" <helicon_one@yahoo.co.spam.uk> writes:
>>"Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote ...
>>http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>>
>>>Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
>>
>>These are pretty darn sexy.

> If I find I have some spare money in Australia, I might just get my Tau
> shipped out to me and augment them with Forge World Battlesuits (as well
> as Forge World Hammerhead turrets, Forge World Tetras, Forge World Piranhas...)

I believe it's time to sit back and watch Robbie give a bit of
well-earned and deserved payback here.

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P Bowles wrote:
> Myrmidon <ImNot@home.com> writes:
>>why oh why did they leave them with the same
>>lame as hell 'chicken leg' lower leg sections?
>
> Or the torso come to that.

Because these parts were passable, and the arms and heads are not?

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--- John Hwang "JohnHwang...@cs.com.no.com"
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In article <cte44u$86l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Robert Williams"
<mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> writes:

>http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>
>Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!

They've finally got a useable head, certainly. I don't much like the XV89 with
the bulked out Broadside armour, but I really like the XV84, which looks just
as a Battlesuit should - what you'd expect a bigger Stealth suit to be. The
markerlight's easily removed if necessary. The final variant is a little
over-armed to the point of looking cluttered, but it would make a good Tau
'Dreadnought'. The price is hefty, but that would presumably include the entire
Crisis suit (i.e., all weapon options) as well as the new components, and the
existing models are so poor that paying almost twice the price might be worth
it. I just hope the components become available as a conversion kit, so that
they can be bought more cheaply for those who have spare Crisis bodies from the
Battleforce.

Philip Bowles
 
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"Insane Ranter" <no@spam.me> wrote in message
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> "Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cte44u$86l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
> >
> > Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
> >
> > Rob
> >
>
> They look....the same?

seriously. what's the difference I'm supposed to be looking for here?
 
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"John Hwang" <JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> wrote in message
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> Robert Williams wrote:
> >
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>
> BTW, how come no commentary on the IG Bombard?
>
> I'm not entirely happy with it, but it's a very good effort. The driver
> cab should be wider and set quite a bit more forward, with a more
> prominent cupola on top, and a Heavy Bolter on the front.

I think the idea behind the bombard is that it'll never use a heavy bolter
even if it had one. no point fitting redundant weapons systems if you can
take them out for stowage.
 
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In article <JxIKd.13602$v8.9211@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Doctor Rock wrote:
>
> "Insane Ranter" <no@spam.me> wrote in message
> news:kGzKd.1884$gA2.1101@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
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>> "Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:cte44u$86l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> >
> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>> >
>> > Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>>
>> They look....the same?
>
> seriously. what's the difference I'm supposed to be looking for here?

New heads, new shoulder armour, new forearm weapon mounts....


--
Joakim
 
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"jockelinde" <nouser@notmydomain.se> wrote in message
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> In article <JxIKd.13602$v8.9211@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Doctor Rock
wrote:
> >
> > "Insane Ranter" <no@spam.me> wrote in message
> > news:kGzKd.1884$gA2.1101@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> >>
> >> "Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:cte44u$86l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >> >
> >
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
> >> >
> >> > Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
> >> >
> >> > Rob
> >> >
> >>
> >> They look....the same?
> >
> > seriously. what's the difference I'm supposed to be looking for here?
>
> New heads, new shoulder armour, new forearm weapon mounts....

I guess one really needs to have studied the old figures to notice the
difference, then.
 
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Doctor Rock wrote:
> "John Hwang" <JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> wrote in message
> news:360o7oF4re2orU1@individual.net...
>
>>Robert Williams wrote:
>>
> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>
>>BTW, how come no commentary on the IG Bombard?
>>
>>I'm not entirely happy with it, but it's a very good effort. The driver
>>cab should be wider and set quite a bit more forward, with a more
>>prominent cupola on top, and a Heavy Bolter on the front.
>
> I think the idea behind the bombard is that it'll never use a heavy bolter
> even if it had one. no point fitting redundant weapons systems if you can
> take them out for stowage.

True, but every military vehilce should still have some limited
point-defense capability against infantry. And by enlarging and setting
the cupola forward, the space becomes available. Also, it'd better
match the other IG tanks...

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In article <360o7oF4re2orU1@individual.net>, John Hwang
<JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> writes:

>Robert Williams wrote:
>> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>
>BTW, how come no commentary on the IG Bombard?
>
>I'm not entirely happy with it, but it's a very good effort.

That's probably why. There's not a lot to say about it - decent, but perhaps
not quite there. If they made the bombard siege mortar as an emplacement
artillery piece then I'd be interested.

As for IG artillery, as FW has a history of upsizing Epic models (including the
new Scorpion and Revenant), I'm looking forward to seeing what it does with the
Ragnarok, Thudd Gun, Rapier and Gotterdammerung (and, yes, the Squig Katapult
and, with any luck, Steam Gargant).

Philip Bowles
 
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In article <360ohbF4r5hraU1@individual.net>, John Hwang
<JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> writes:

>> If I find I have some spare money in Australia, I might just get my Tau
>> shipped out to me and augment them with Forge World Battlesuits (as well
>> as Forge World Hammerhead turrets, Forge World Tetras, Forge World
>Piranhas...)
>
>I believe it's time to sit back and watch Robbie give a bit of
>well-earned and deserved payback here.

The difference is that Baneblades (let alone 3 Baneblades) aren't useable in
serious, sensible games of 40k - every one of the FW Tau pieces I'm interested
in are 40k-scale vehicles/options that enhance the army in normal games. Plus
the combined value of everything I'm thinking of getting is less than that of
one FW Baneblade...

Philip Bowles
 
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In article <360mvdF4ho5euU2@individual.net>, John Hwang
<JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> writes:

>P Bowles wrote:
>> Myrmidon <ImNot@home.com> writes:
>>>why oh why did they leave them with the same
>>>lame as hell 'chicken leg' lower leg sections?
>>
>> Or the torso come to that.
>
>Because these parts were passable, and the arms and heads are not?

No, the torso is still poor and still doesn't suit the Tau style - these models
work because they've been reproportioned. With the better-developed arms and
shoulder armour the torso doesn't dominate the model the way it did with the
plastics.

Philip Bowles
 
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In article <360mnaF4ho5euU1@individual.net>, John Hwang
<JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> writes:

>Robert Williams wrote:
>> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>>
>> Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
>
>Interestingly, the changes are pretty much as I'd have expected:
>- replaced non-matching head
>- replaced stubby litte arms
>- added shoulder guards
>- underslung weapons

It's surprising just how much that improves things.

>If you look closely, the core Crisis Suit (torso, pack, and legs) remain
>unchanged, which is OK.

The legs have been reposed; FW alluded to new resin leg sets in a previous
newsletter. Also the XV-81 (which on closer inspection I now agree is the best
of the three) seems to have lost the backpack, which is good.

>What's criminal is the pricing -- $35 - $38 USD? That's nearly twice
>what GW is currently charging, and more than twice what GW *should* be
>charging.

To be fair to FW the entire Crisis suit sprue is included in the set (note that
they are described as resin and plastic kits) - the extra FW components come to
the same again or nearly so as the base model. With a £10 base model, these
were never going to cost less than £15, and £18-20 is acceptable considering
how desperately the models need this patch. Yes, if they'd made the torso out
of resin and thrown out the plastic sprue altogether they could have sold them
more cheaply, but they didn't. I just hope they become available as £8-10
conversion kits for those who need to modify Battlesuits from the Battleforce
set.

Philip Bowles
 
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In article <JxIKd.13602$v8.9211@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Doctor Rock"
<malafex@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:

>"Insane Ranter" <no@spam.me> wrote in message
>news:kGzKd.1884$gA2.1101@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:cte44u$86l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> >
>http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>> >
>> > Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
>> >
>> > Rob
>> >
>>
>> They look....the same?
>
>seriously. what's the difference I'm supposed to be looking for here?

The heads now look like Tau heads. The leg armour has an extra segment and
looks more streamlined. The suits have shoulderpads, and the weapons are
underslung and more plausibly connected to the arms. Everything is an
improvement - the main weakness is that, since the backpack hasn't been altered
(except on the XV-81), in profile the suits still look too bulky and
unbalanced. The XV-89 also has much improved leg armour, with Fire-Warrior
style kneepads in place of the bare joint.

Philip Bowles
 
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In article <FdJKd.13141$n9.6952@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Doctor Rock wrote:
>
> "jockelinde" <nouser@notmydomain.se> wrote in message
> news:slrncvmnl6.s53.nouser@crux.id.gu.se...
>> In article <JxIKd.13602$v8.9211@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Doctor Rock
> wrote:
>> >
>> > "Insane Ranter" <no@spam.me> wrote in message
>> > news:kGzKd.1884$gA2.1101@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> news:cte44u$86l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> >> >
>> >
> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>> >> >
>> >> > Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
>> >> >
>> >> > Rob
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> They look....the same?
>> >
>> > seriously. what's the difference I'm supposed to be looking for here?
>>
>> New heads, new shoulder armour, new forearm weapon mounts....
>
> I guess one really needs to have studied the old figures to notice the
> difference, then.

The head swap is a major improvement. Now the heads fit in with the
rest of the tau range much better.

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"Insane Ranter" <no@spam.me> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Williams" <mail@rscc.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cte44u$86l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html
>>
>> Wow, FW managed to make the Tau battlesuits look halfway decent!
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
> They look....the same?
They've definately made them look better. It seems weakened ankle joint was
the worst thing that decided against Tau as an army for me. The more armour
there makes it much more presentable.
 
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