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Wow....I was tinkering this morning with computer and turned off the mains to remove a hard drive. When I turned it back on, I got the double boot for the first time. I have made no changes to the BIOS except for using the XMP profile. I guess I'll be upgrading to BIOS f9 as well. I'll let you know if it helps.
 
I also have i7 920 with UD5 F7 Bios and Gskills 1600 6GB. I used to have problems playing some games on Steam when the screen would freeze and sound looping I had to restart. Not only in games, even when merely watching a video or using 3dmark06, it randomly freezed. I think it was the graphic card (HIS 5770 crossfire) drivers.
I changed some Bios settings and changed the Ram configs as the Gskills emailed. I haven't experienced a freezze yet which is good to know. 3dmark06 runs smoothly and I got a 20,000+ score. But funny thing is when I run memtest, it restarts the pc right after 2-3 seconds while it used to pass the test before I changed these Ram/voltage settings. Should I just ignore the memtest as long as I have no problems in windows?
I changed the Ram settings to 9-9-9-24 and the other one as a user posted here the email.

Thanks.
Shane.
 
My MB double boots too.
There is a threshold where it will boot first time (150blk) at 151 no matter what the RAM or Multi, there is a double cold boot.

You can check if you PC cold boots by switching it off at the back, then holding down restart for 20sec. This will clear any power still in the circuitry.

I found that when I OC to 3.4Ghz last year, my PC would not restart from sleep mode; this is not a problem with the 150x21 OC.

I have F10, none of the BIOSs make a difference to the cold boot issue.What I woudl like to know is if the double boot causes wear and tear on the other system components. I did have a HDD die after only two weeks, but then, I have an even old HDD last forever on this machine (a year).
 
Guys I'm getting ready to purchase the i7-920 with the OCZ 1600 6GB kit and the Gigabyte mobo. From my research the i7-920 doesn't support memory over 1066. I think this is why you are getting instability and sudden reboots. Please review the link below and look under the heading "Memory Specifications".

You're better off leaving the mobo setting at 1066 until you upgrade your computer to an i7 that supports a higher memory speed.

Hope this explains the problem for you.

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37147
 
Thank you! I have been hollering about this since the inception of the platform - and, I have pretty much given up trying to help with any i5/i7 issues, as nobody wants to hear, or admit, that they've been 'hosed' by the memory manufacturers...

Fact 1 - i5/i7 supports three memory speeds, 800, 1066, and, on some, 1333 - that's IT!

Fact 2 - memory speed does not 'scale' to better performance on these platforms - the only increase in anything that you'll ever likely see is in 'synthetic' memory benchmarks - and that's WHY they're called SYNTHETIC!

Fact 3 - decreases in latency DO pay off in the real world; you are never, ever, ever doing large contiguous reads from/writes to memory; the vast majority of memory accesses are for a page to cache, and, pretty much every time, you are 'waiting on' one or the other of the latency periods to pass...

Fact 4 - because of the memory manufacturer's shenanigans, it is nearly impossible for the majority of potential purchasers to compare latencies at varying clocks, as most are either 'innumerate', or 'math-phobic' (q.v.!)!!

Fact 5 - this idiocy is starting to 'leak down' into AMD and 775 buyers, because they are purchasing RAM sold purporting 'raw speed' (and designed for the 1156/1366 platforms) that will not likely work for them at all, unless they are astute enough to figure out actual workable timings...

Fact 6 - the latencies are physical periods of time that, in reality, have nothing to do with memory clock counts - they are in nanoseconds and picoseconds, and these do not change for different clock speeds - the BIOS simply 'counts' them in clocks; if a column address strobe takes eight nanoseconds, it's nine counts at 1333, or seven at 1066, but it's still eight nanoseconds!

from an earlier post:
... there appears to be no real advantage to running the memory faster:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-scaling-i7,2325-5.html
it just:
uses more power
makes your memory hotter and more 'stressed'
makes your CPU hotter and more 'stressed'
makes it harder to achieve long-term stability...

If you are interested in the Intel docs, I've zipped 'em up here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?yzj5ggmyt4g

The only thing that appears to matter to these platforms is latency - and you pay for that, buying the RAM; here's a little tool that I've been working on:
0137b.jpg

It 'looks at' the listed latency at whatever claimed speed, converts it to 'likely latency' at 1066 in the 'adjusted' columns, and then, in the LV (latency value) column, 'weights' the average latency for 'bang for the buck'; notice that the entire 'spread' of average latency is 4.2 counts, and the median value, 8.1 is already reached by the fourth item, the $140 F3-12800CL8T-6GBRM - at that point you are paying $15 more (12%) to get to half the available range, but to get to the other half, the price differential rises to more than double the cost of the base entry (a whopping 108% increase!)

If you'd like the Excel file itself, to 'play' with, I've put the current copy here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?yizmaza3kaz
note: the little thingie in the lower right corner is just for my convenience in 'averaging' NewEgg review listings; I don't place too much credence in them, as the vast majority of review posters seem to be dumber than driveway gravel...

This stuff is months old, so the shown prices are likely no langer valid, but the idea remains the same: pay for low latency, which will do you some good; or, pay for high clock speed, which will do you no good, but will fatten the coffers of the memory manufacturers - precisely as they intend!
 

All gigabyte motherboards at least since 965 based ones do this when overclocked in any way. First the board boots with default voltages, then it does a kind of reset with the selected higher voltages before posting. In the old days when windows antique was new systems wouldn't boot if voltages were too high, because capaciators couldn't fully charge before posting. The turning on, off and on again solves this issue.

as for the xmp issue - I have the same board, but corsair 1600c7 memory - with the originally shipping F7 bios xmp wouldn't properly work - running F10 now and I can run 1600mhz with 7-7-7-20 and 920mhz with 5-5-5-13 timings using manual. I haven't tried xmp as that'll default to 7-8-7-20 @ 1600 which I don't desire.
 
Hey,

I'm getting the same Double Boot problem on Gigabyte's GA-EX58A-UD3R !
I think the latest BIOS is F3, (though the shop said they installed F5)

Memory: G.Skill 1600
CPU: i7 930
Mobo: GA-EX58A-UD3R
 
Hey,

I'm getting the same Double Boot problem on Gigabyte's GA-EX58A-UD3R !
I think the latest BIOS is F3, (though the shop said they installed F5)

Memory: G.Skill 1600
CPU: i7 930
Mobo: GA-EX58A-UD3R
Click to expand...

That it starts, then 'resets' and starts up isn't a problem but a feature. It makes sure that capaciators are charged before attempting to run overclocked or otherwise out of spec.
 
Mine did that until I tweaked overclocked voltages. I have my i7920 at 4.00GHz (with 1600MHz RAM) and it no longer does the double boot.
 
Hi

having the same or similar problem with the UD3R,

memory doesn't run up to 1600 in xmp1 settings, I use g.skill 6gb 1600 7t model. Also leds on the mb light up when memory is clocked at factory settings along with straining the cpu load. It then restarts once and goes back to default 1066mhz. I can run stable at 1333mhz without any led suggesting overvoltage. But to think my CPU could be overheated or that my memory is dead sucks.
 
im overclocked mildly at 3.2/3.36 with Kingston HyperX 1600.. used easy tune and went for #3 then set the ram multiplier in bios to 10 so both values are 1600 enabled xmpp and the rest is history.. looking to speed it up more.. but no mem probs i got ud3r with a 920.
 
oh yo.. let it shut off and power back on by it self.. wait for the display to come up it might take a minute.. and disable all the power saving chipset throttling crap.
otherwise if you don't do what i first mentioned it kicks the backup bios in and restores the old settings.
 


I have the same mobo and memory card as your's, and i thought it was normal.
I did the exact same thing as you did, return the suspected PSU back to the vendor for warranty.

this time, after 1-2years, my computer randomly crashes, even in bios screen. i think something got damaged.
i thought the automatic reboots were normal.

i do hope that it's probably because of the configuration or overvoltages thats causing the problem
 
Hi all, i am new,
Sorry for using this thread but i think this is the best place to do this.

I have a GA-X58A-UD3R with a i7 930 and G. Skill 3x2GB DDR3 1600, and i have a problem similar but not equal.

When i bought the computer i usually had some "double starts" as you described (boots, then beeps, then shuts down, and then starts perfectly fine). But, as i said, i only had it from time to time and i could not reproduce it when i wanted.
Ram is set on XMP to run at 1600 instead of 1066.
I have also had a couple of times when it told me it had to reset the bios settings to default because of overclocking stability, and also a couple of times (diferent) when the computer started perfectly but the screen received not signal until i rebooted or changed to another DVI and back to the first DVI, and then everything was fine (don't know if related).

Well, recently i RMAed my ASUS 5850 for an ASUS 6870 (really bad experience, btw -4 moths waiting, 5 in total... horrible-), and i have had just 2 "double starts" (one yesterday and one today) and after this the computer booted up fine, but after 60 seconds or so, and after opening some things like Firefox, the computer lost signal at the monitor and i could not even use computer with the keyboard to turn it off, so it was "blocked" (i had to turn it off pressing the start button several seconds as just presing and waiting it to shut it down itself didn't worked).
Also, when i make the computer sleep, when it wakes up after several hours i receive not signal at the screen and once even rebooted itself, and sometimes on the next cold boot it didn't started well with some missing icons on the task bar, next to the clock (also don't know if related).

I have the latest BIOS "FH" (trying to fix the "sleep problem" as i was not too concern about the double boot -it fixed nothing-), and seems they are not going to do a new one:
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3449#bios

I don't overclock (i have not idea at all). And i am using Win7 64bits. I did a memtest68 with the RAM at 1600 some months ago and everythig was fine.

Anyone has my configuration and has this problem?
Should i "remove" the XPM of the BIOS and let the ram run at 1066? (it is not a big performance loss, right?, or it is?) Also after the BIOS update i changed the Bios setting DRAM VOLTAGE to [1.54V] instead of [Auto], should i change this too, right? (i have already done it but i want to confirm it; hope that what it has done does not mean something have been damaged ).

I don't know what more to ask as i have too little idea about hardware and configurations, but i am a bit worried about this, and i would love to solve it.

Thanx in advance.

Here my full specs:
- Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R (DDR3-LGA 1366)
- Intel i7 930
- RAM G.Skill 3x2GB DDR3 1600 (F3 12800 CL 7-8-7-24 1.5v)
- Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
- Lancool PC-K60 Dragonlord
- Seasonic X-650 Modular SS-650KM (80 Plus Hybrid-silent)
- Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB FAEX
- ATI Asus 6870
- LG GH24LS50 22X SATA
- Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bits OEM


 


The most common cause for this is a bent pin on the lga grid your cpu sits on. Depending on ambient temp it may or may not have contact. After 're-posting' the cpu's heated up to have connectivity. If you plan on using sleep, you HAVE TO find and fix the bent pin though, cause it'll always be cold after sleep and thus fail to find all the memory from time to time.

As for the graphics, I'm not sure, but I could theorize that maybe some pins related to the pcie connectivity (cpu controlled remember) could be bent as well.

In plain english: Remove your cpu and check if all the small metal pins look okay.
 


I would keep your voltages on Auto if you're not overclocking. I couldn't tell by your post if you were overclocking, but that you had a BIOS reset happen due to overclocking woes. Was this only because of the RAM being set to XMP?

I wouldn't use the BETA BIOS for that board. And actually, I originally posted this for the EX58 vs the EX58A. I think the dual-boot issue that I was describing was resolved after Rev. 2 of the EX58, and EX58A boards. I have an EX58A now and have never had a dual-boot issue with it.

Anyway, I would do a full reset of the BIOS, then set it to Optimized defaults. Then set the RAM to XMP and change nothing else. See if that solves your issue?
 
I will add that the issue I was having was that it would dual-boot every time. When I moved to the EX58A board, it hasn't dual-booted unless I make a change in the voltages, then it doesn't dual-boot unless I make a change later on. I think that's how it was meant to work, because the dual-boot always shut the machine off, then on again, and that's not always good for the hardware.
 
cant believe my computer is almost 5years and still having this issue.

cold boot/fresh boot will always cause dissapearing ram issue. random crash always. after a few try it will dissapear.
I figured if my computer is always on (therefore always hot), it wont cause any problems. To test this, It's been almost two weeks that i havnt shutdown my computer and it has not crash eversince.

did googling and found bilbat's comments on i3/i5/i7 'Missing' Memory
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/275856-30-gigabyte-guide

If you have 'X' amount of memory installed, and either the BIOS, or Windoze is only showing 'Y' amount available, the very first thing to do is: pull your CPU, get a flashlight & magnifying glass, and check your socket for bent or distorted pins:

bentpinsall.jpg


Nineteen times out of twenty, you will find 'em! Excellent pictorial guide to installation/examination from Intel.
...if the pins are not too badly mangled, they can often be 'teased' back into place, using:
a jeweler's tweezer (most large hobby shops)
a jeweler's screwdriver (any dollar store)
a dental pick/tool (often found at dollar stores or hardware store counters)
or
a 'pin-vise' with a sewing needle mounted in it (a 'pin-vise' is a little thing the size and shape of a kid's crayon, that has a tiny chuck at one end, much like a drill chuck - they are used to drill ultra-fine holes in small work, and can be found, again, at any large hobby-shop or hardware store...)
...just takes a steady hand, and a bunch of patience
Click to expand...

hmmm... definitely worth a try. maybe this weekend. i dont think i can replace my CPU or motherboard... this is sad.

 


That the system shuts off and on again when voltages aren't running stock is by design as far as I know. To make sure the voltage regulator circuitry is properly charged before trying to run the system on higher voltages. I don't think you can reliably run on 2 volts on vcore if you don't "precharge" the vrm's ; not that I'd ever dream of setting such a high voltage.
 

I am not planning on using sleep, as i probably have used it only arround 15 days (because i had no Internet) in all time i have had this computer.

I think i will leave it as it is, because as i have not too much idea, maybe if there is nothing broken i could break it, and also i would need to buy some thermal compound as if i remove the heatsink it will take it off and i think i is better to use new one. And also i have no warranty, so unless you tell me it can break something, i think i will leave it.


I have never overclocked as i have no idea, i just set that voltage because the store that sold the computer to me "helped" me with the update of the BIOS and told me to do that.

Actually the 2 times (only 2 i think) that it told me that has to reset the bios settings were because i did some shut downs and starts ups avoiding to do normal starts, so maybe it is not related (it only did it long time ago).

I think the FH BIOS is not BETA, or i am wrong?
I have seen several forums were people reported dual boots, so i thought it was a problem for several x58 boards (some ASUS and some Gigabyte).

If i reset the BIOS will it come back to the first firmware or will it keep this FH? (as i said i am a noob, sorry).
After the update of the BIOS i only changed the XMP, that voltage and removed the "splash screen" that shows the Gigabyte things (i don't know how is called), so do you think i still need to do a full reset? Should i put the Optimized defaults? (i am not sure how to do it, but i guess it is the settings it loads normally, right?, and now that i removed the XMP and the voltage, i should only need to restore the splash image to have it "normal").

The dual boot only happens from time to time maybe 1 time every 2 months, just to say something.


Also I saw your post of other thread ( http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/258402-30-ddr3-1600-1066mhz#4113238 ) and thought it was all because of the XMP RAM.

And i have find this post on other forum (http://forum.avsim.net/topic/350211-gigabyte-board-double-booting/#entry2126139) that says:
"Some people are attributing this to the Marvel controller on the GB boards. Disabling it has fixed the double boots for a few."

And this other thread of other forum ( http://www.tech-forums.net/forums/f76/will-1600mhz-ddr3-work-gigabyte-ga-x58a-ud3r-mobo-235632/ ), were they talk about that to use RAM at 1600 you have to overclock the CPU.

Because all this i thought it was a problem between the 1600 RAM and the i7 930 CPU.

Unfortunatelly (or not, i don't know) i cannot reproduce this when i want, so even if i change something i will not be able to see if it solved the issue until it does a double boot, if it ever does it.

Just to clarify, i had this dual boot with the original BIOS firmware, and after the update what changed is that it the PC blocks after several seconds on Windows (and this has oly happened twice but i didn't wanted to let it do it more times), i don't know if this means something...

Thank you all for your help.
 
it was just too tempting... i saw the thermal paste. i just had to do it.

Opened the computer, removed the cooler then the CPU.

well, it didnt have any pins on it... lols. looks like this
4656d1335937698-bent-pins-x58a-ud5-how-did-they-get-bent-never-removed-cpu-since-install-over-2yrs-ago-img_0549-large-.jpg


the pins where on the mobo (x58-ud5)

no burnt marks, no bent pins, no issues what so ever. i just hope that the re-seating fixed the issue. crossing fingers.

will post back if its fixed or didnt.
 
Should i create another thread, as maybe my problem is different?

If i check the pins, what thermal compound would you suggest me to buy? and is there any guide to know how to clean and reaply the thermal compound?

Also, why this happens only from time to time?

If i load optimized defaults on bios will it be the same that if i reset the BIOS?

Anyone knows what else could it be?

Thanx for your help and hope i can solve this with your help and sorry for the long posts 😉 (and please check my last post if you have not done it already) .
 
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