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Looks really good. Add a hard drive if you don't have one already.
If you want me to be extra picky and you have a higher budget, then
  1. I'd get a fully modular PSU
  2. 970 Evo Plus NVME
  3. Slightly better RAM timings, like 3600CL16 or lower
 
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ohio_buckeye said:
You could look at something like this for example.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/613492/msi-b450-tomahawk-max-amd-am4-atx-motherboard

That might allow you leeway to upgrade something else. There are cheaper boards, like some of the asrock boards can be found for a bit less.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/625303/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4-amd-am4-atx-motherboard

Your board you picked is great, just pointing out you might for example be able to get a 5600x or a higher end gpu.
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I actually used the asrock for another build but the ram would only go up to 3000mhz and the top speed is 3600. Im a beginner builder and I don't understand RAM as much as I should to be honest. I also need a board that has wifi unless its better to just get an adapter?
 
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To be honest I’m not as sure on ram. I’m running ddr4 3000 on my build and it runs fine for me. For WiFi, a USB adapter should work fine.

www.microcenter.com

TP-LINK USB WiFi Adapter for Desktop PC, AC1300Mbps USB 3.0 WiFi Dual Band Network Adapter with 2.4GHz/5GHz High Gain - Micro Center

Get it now! The Archer T3U Plus receives Wi-Fi signals on two separate bands for all your online needs. Choose the 2.4 GHz band for up to 400 Mbps of surfing, emailing, and social media, or switch to 5 GHz for up to 867 Mbps of gaming, HD streaming, and large file downloads.
www.microcenter.com www.microcenter.com

For an example you could look at one like above but there are many options out there.

For ram this should give a good idea.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/4.html
 
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ohio_buckeye said:
To be honest I’m not as sure on ram. I’m running ddr4 3000 on my build and it runs fine for me. For WiFi, a USB adapter should work fine.

www.microcenter.com

TP-LINK USB WiFi Adapter for Desktop PC, AC1300Mbps USB 3.0 WiFi Dual Band Network Adapter with 2.4GHz/5GHz High Gain - Micro Center

Get it now! The Archer T3U Plus receives Wi-Fi signals on two separate bands for all your online needs. Choose the 2.4 GHz band for up to 400 Mbps of surfing, emailing, and social media, or switch to 5 GHz for up to 867 Mbps of gaming, HD streaming, and large file downloads.
www.microcenter.com www.microcenter.com

For an example you could look at one like above but there are many options out there.

For ram this should give a good idea.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/4.html
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do you think 3000mhz is fine for the gpu and cpu I selected? the b550 is on sale + rebate so its only 100 CAD atm. Maybe I can upgrade the CPU if I downgrade the board.
 
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It should run ok. You might lose a little performance by downgrading ram, but if you are upgrading the cpu to a 5600x that sound more than make up for it. Just be sure the board you pick says it supports the cpu out of the box.

Keep in mind this guy tested with ddr4 3200, but it gives an idea the performance difference between processors.

https://techplanet.today/post/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-vs-3600-cpu-comparison-worth-upgrading

Don’t get me wrong, I have a 3600 and it’s a good cpu, but you always want to get the best you are able to afford. And that should set you up for when gpu prices fall eventually.
 
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Im building a gaming rig and was wondering if anyone could look at my build and suggest any changes/addtions and also if this is a good build in general.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jC4bMv
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The i5 11400F mops the floor with the Ryzen 3600.

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08W6PSC52
ASUS TUF Gaming B560M-PLUS WiFi $188.95

https://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=56556186
Intel Core i5-11400F $221.00

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_129&item_id=160987
DEEPCOOL Gammaxx 400 V2 BLUE CPU Cooler $29.99

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B083TRRT16
Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3200MhZ 16GB (8GBx2) CL16 $111.99

Review of that cpu w/benchmarks

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i5-11400f-processor-review,1.html

www.techspot.com

Intel Core i5-11400F Review: The New Value Champ

The Core i5-11400F coupled with a B560 motherboard make for an interesting build configuration, as it's significantly cheaper than the Core i5-11600K/Z590 and less than the cost...
www.techspot.com www.techspot.com

A better look at that board.

www.asus.com

TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS WIFI｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

TUF Gaming series distills essential elements of the latest AMD and Intel® platforms, and combines them with game-ready features and proven durability. Engineered with military-grade components, an upgraded power solution and a comprehensive set of cooling options, this motherboard delivers...
www.asus.com www.asus.com
 
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ohio_buckeye said:
The i5 against a 3600 you are indeed correct. Vs a 5600x I would disagree.

premiumbuilds.com

Intel Core i5 11400F vs AMD Ryzen 5 5600X: Which Is Best For You? - PremiumBuilds

We pit the cheapest 6 core 12 thread offerings from both AMD and Intel to see which one is more worth it for gamers and productivity users.
premiumbuilds.com premiumbuilds.com
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The OP had a 3600 in his pc partpicker list. As far as the 5600X goes ... $300 vs $190 for the 11400 and $175 for the 11400F (when it's in stock). That's a difference of a 1TB SSD for a cpu that trades blows with the 11400/1140F. I see no reason for either the 3600 or the 5600x for a budget gaming build. If you do then lets us know why please.
 
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Really they aren’t as far off as you think. Your showing a 200+ dollar board along with the cpu, I was showing boards closer to 100. So you’d spend more on the cpu, but it would balance or pretty close. Either way, you are more versed on Intel than I am. I work on Intel systems but usually like Dell prebuilt systems at work. Personally I’ve used amd for my personal stuff. But between those two, whatever has the better price. From the article above, the 5600x is only slightly ahead of the i5 and pretty much trading blows. So either one will be a good system.
 
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Really they aren’t as far off as you think. Your showing a 200+ dollar board along with the cpu, I was showing boards closer to 100. So you’d spend more on the cpu, but it would balance or pretty close. Either way, you are more versed on Intel than I am. I work on Intel systems but usually like Dell prebuilt systems at work. Personally I’ve used amd for my personal stuff. But between those two, whatever has the better price. From the article above, the 5600x is only slightly ahead of the i5 and pretty much trading blows. So either one will be a good system.
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AMD crapped the bed in the budget gaming market. The 3600 isn't even in the game anymore and the 5600x is competing with a comparable i5 that is $110 cheaper. It's going to get even worse for AMD once the 11400F comes back in stock ($175).
 
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As I said cost wise they are about the same with a budget board. I will say however, the 5600x at almost 300 bucks seems high. Perhaps the prices are higher due to shortages? But usually their Ryzen 5 chips have always been good value. I know I was just looking a little bit so at Microcenter’s site and they had one budget b560 board for 80, and I think an i7 10700f. I think the cpu was 229.00

AMD has always been a good value option and I agree they need to stay at that level. As much as I like AMD, it does make me think about considering Intel if they can provide that kind of value.

As far as the ops initial question, the i5 and ryzen 5 5600 look like performance will be similar, so but whichever is cheaper and makes you happy.

Btw, does the i5 have a stock cooler? I just noticed you included an aftermarket. I think the 5600x has a wraith stealth, which according to a video I saw they seemed to think that the stock cooler was ok, but I don’t like my cpu running 80 degrees.
 
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To be honest this is a good price, but I’m sure performance isn’t up to the 5600x or the i5 11400f.

https://www.microcenter.com/product...-1200-boxed-processor-with-intel-stock-cooler
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That's a heck of a deal. The thing with MC though is those deals are usually walk in only and there's less than a dozen US states that have those stores.

This build will beat that Ryzen 3600 7 out of 10 games. That Vulcan Z RAM works good with Asus boards .. in fact Tom's did a review on it.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119385
ASUS PRIME B560M-A $110.99

https://www.aaawave.com/intel-bx8070110400f-core-i5-10400f-6-cores-up-to-4-3-ghz-desktop-processor/
Intel Core i5-10400F $156.99

https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-Heatpipes-Motherboard-Control/dp/B08C231WQC/
DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX GTE V2 CPU Air Cooler $29.99

https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331354
Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz CL16 $74.99

Review of that cpu w/benchmarks

www.techpowerup.com

Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com
 
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I’m spoiled then. I have a Microcenter about 30-40 minutes away.

I did some addition, so with the 10400f, the last board you linked, and the last ram kit you showed, it’s a total of 373.

I added up the ops initial cpu, ram and board, and it was 525. So 150 dollars less. In that case, I’m down with the Intel build. Sure you are adding 30 on the cooler, but upgrade the ssd to 1tb.

All kinds of options but this might be ok.

https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-1tb/p/N82E16820250092

I’ve used a few of the wd blue sata ssd drives and they seem decent. Haven’t used one of their nvme drives, but I’d imagine they are descent drives.

I suppose then you could either pocket the money saved or up the cpu to the 11400f, or see if you catch a break on a better gpu. Otherwise, I’m down with the rest of this last Intel build. Looks like decent cost savings and should do well.

Just a question, are the stock Intel coolers just not great anymore? They used to do ok. I just noticed you included an aftermarket one. Guessing they must run a tad warm?
 
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I’m spoiled then. I have a Microcenter about 30-40 minutes away.

I did some addition, so with the 10400f, the last board you linked, and the last ram kit you showed, it’s a total of 373.

I added up the ops initial cpu, ram and board, and it was 525. So 150 dollars less. In that case, I’m down with the Intel build. Sure you are adding 30 on the cooler, but upgrade the ssd to 1tb.

All kinds of options but this might be ok.

https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-1tb/p/N82E16820250092

I’ve used a few of the wd blue sata ssd drives and they seem decent. Haven’t used one of their nvme drives, but I’d imagine they are descent drives.

I suppose then you could either pocket the money saved or up the cpu to the 11400f, or see if you catch a break on a better gpu. Otherwise, I’m down with the rest of this last Intel build. Looks like decent cost savings and should do well.

Just a question, are the stock Intel coolers just not great anymore? They used to do ok. I just noticed you included an aftermarket one. Guessing they must run a tad warm?
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Stock Intel coolers work fine for locked 10th gen cpu's but no way would I want to use one for the 11 gen cpu's for a gaming build. You can get by with a cheap $100 B560/H510 board with a 10th gen cpu but for the 11 gen's you want a board with decent VRM's.

btw here's a killer deal atm on an SSD.

Amazon.com: PNY CS2130 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD), Read up to 3,500 - M280CS2130-1TB-RB: Computers & Accessories

Amazon.com: PNY CS2130 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD), Read up to 3,500 - M280CS2130-1TB-RB: Computers & Accessories
www.amazon.com
PNY CS2130 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4 Internal SSD $109.99
 
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Really they aren’t as far off as you think. Your showing a 200+ dollar board along with the cpu, I was showing boards closer to 100. So you’d spend more on the cpu, but it would balance or pretty close. Either way, you are more versed on Intel than I am. I work on Intel systems but usually like Dell prebuilt systems at work. Personally I’ve used amd for my personal stuff. But between those two, whatever has the better price. From the article above, the 5600x is only slightly ahead of the i5 and pretty much trading blows. So either one will be a good system.
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Canadian dollars .. the OP is Canadian and his pc parkpicker list is Canadian as are the components I posted.

Here's that same board in US dollars.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119383
ASUS TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS WIFI $149.99
 
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