GeForce GTX 480 And 470: From Fermi And GF100 To Actual Cards!

[CptTripps]

The metro 2033 (dx11) title really says it for me. Fermi kicks ass at dx11.

To me, the 58xx series are great cards that can finally play DX10 games without a dual card setup and play them well. Turn on tessealtion in Stalker CoP and my 5870 craps it's pants. Run Metro in dx11 with AA and it would once again fall short. BC2 and Dirt2 run great on my card, but I don't really notice the DX11 effects much.

Nvidia made a kickass DX11 card, but there just aren't enough games to justify buying one with the prices being so different.

Last but not least, why would ATI lower their prices atm? They won't.

 

[konjiki7]

480 in sli seems to be quite amazing. Unfortunately your house may need a direct line the local power plant and you may need to ebay some limbs to afford it...

5870 looks to be the best value when you look at power frame rates and price. Not to mention headroom for oc-ing which easily makes up for lost ground.

 

[brisingamen]

well, the ultimate setup is still a 5870 x4 @1ghz gpu each, since you cant run a 4 way sli gtx 480 setup until a 2000watt psu is released on the market.

 

[Guest]

Looking at all the responses you all don't seem to be too bright. The drivers look like they play am important role in the performance. The 5970 has been out for a while and the GTX 480 is not even released with drivers. With the specs of the card I'd expect it to be way more powerful than the 5970 when the card officially comes out and has drivers supporting the card.

 

[OvrClkr]

Looking at all the responses you all don't seem to be too bright. The drivers look like they play am important role in the performance. The 5970 has been out for a while and the GTX 480 is not even released with drivers. With the specs of the card I'd expect it to be way more powerful than the 5970 when the card officially comes out and has drivers supporting the card.

you did not say that...

 

[hundredislandsboy]

Looking at all the responses you all don't seem to be too bright. The drivers look like they play am important role in the performance. The 5970 has been out for a while and the GTX 480 is not even released with drivers. With the specs of the card I'd expect it to be way more powerful than the 5970 when the card officially comes out and has drivers supporting the card.

Okay genius. How can the card come out without drivers? You make it sound like two seperate releases, first the card that will lay dormant until the drivers awaken it? We've been discussing power consumption, performance versus cost, while you figured out that drivers will be a huge factor in these areas.

 

[Guest]

These GTX 480 cards are HOT at almost 100 degrees C!! You could fry an egg on that, not to mention that the GPU is likely to come unsoldered!
They seriously need sort out the thermal issues. I bet they're using crappy thermal paste too. I wonder how much difference lapping the HS and using Arctic Silver 5 or Tuniq TX-3 would make.

 

[Guest]

Nvidia clearly created these cards with an eye towards the future of the industry. Six displays is a niche enough market (VJs and people with huge amounts of fun who don't want stereo 3d) to not be a huge concern, 3d is on its way into the home due to the music industry, and GPUs playing a more prominent computing role is clearly the way of the future. Physx will eventually die to its proprietary nature, but that won't be unitl compute shaders and openCL are developed enough to become standard game features. Finally, more efficient tessellation, increased parallelism, and faster geometry shaders will all come into play as the game market matures (which, granted, will take ages as it it is based on consoles atm).
From where i'm standing, the 470 is actually a decent buy, as with aftermarket cooling it should overclock at least decently (those heat numbers are quite cringe-worthy), especially given how easy it should be for 3rd parties to port the 480 cooling system to the 470. At that point one can enjoy physx, improved GPU computing as it develops, and the inevitable benefits of Nvidia's developer relations team. However, at the end of the day, these cards still aren't drastically more compelling than ATI's current offerings.

 

[liquidsnake718]

I knew it, I knew it would come to this point where Nvidia has failed to deliver a GPU that is truly revolutionary. ATi did it first, they stand tall in the end as well and have 6 months and driver updates with a huge sales in volume advantage. Not to mention price advantage as well.

But from all the early(Only one month ago) reports and "leaked" specs, we readers could have surmised that due to the power spent and dismal preformance, ATi has given us a Cypress card worth placing up there in the history books as the most efficient and most promising GPU that has come out. I somehow suspect that ATi will eke out all of the momentium and will not release a 6xxx card until they have saturated and completely WON this round.

I think I can see it in terms of sales, Nvidia did not put their hearts out on this project as they were delayed and thought the gtx2xx series could carry them for an extra 6months. Perhaps a flawed business strategy but it may has a long term goal in doing so withthe tardiness of the Fermi cards, but it was not in "gaming" gpu's as it seemes to me that focus has been moved onto other technologies say as much as their new focus on the mobile and ion2 markets....

All in all, ATi has masterfully marketed their whole DX11 lineup especially the Cypress chips... along came eyefinity, and one cant argue that these low power usage, cool temps, great preformance, low-cost cards have shown to win many new buyers.

I think im going to get that second 5850 and a good X58 after 6 months waiting I finally have an ansewr and I am sure many more like me have one as well....

 

[Guest]

jennyh the only reason it can not play Crysis is because who ever programed Crysis they suck at programing

 

[eshwar_andhavarapu]

What a disappointment! Good but not the wow they made us believe! I would still wait out and buy an nvidia, but this is a bad time to get one because there's lots to improve! So, let's hope for a price drop because suddenly then the cards will make a lot more sense and some of the money saved could be used to offset the power bill and cooling what not. but for supercomputing. . seems good stuff on the horizon! Given the almost 2GB onboard RAM, and double-precision, lotsa desktop possibilities crop up! e.g. running MATLAB entirely in GPU!

 

[brisingamen]

on a side note screw the r-etailers im not buying a set of 5850's until they are at the 259 msrp they were supposed to be.

[citation][nom]buthole[/nom]jennyh the only reason it can not play Crysis is because who ever programed Crysis they suck at programing[/citation]

appearently buthole has never played crysis cause its an awsome game.

 

[luke904]

[citation][nom]ohim[/nom]sorry to interrupt you but which reviews did you saw ? since the 470 is under the 5850 ... that means nowhere near the 5870 .. and given the fact that the 470 alone eats about 100 W more than the 5850 ... the 470 makes no sense at all in buying.[/citation]

it wins in about half the benchmarks (COD4MW2 for example), and in the those benchmarks it wins ~half the time (for different eye candy levels) the thing is... its 50 dollars cheaper. overall i'd consider them even

 

[jjobaber]

"These GTX 480 cards are HOT at almost 100 degrees C!! You could fry an egg on that, not to mention that the GPU is likely to come unsoldered!"

This is completely false.

At mid 70s ambient temp GTX 480 runs at 93 C degrees at full load, and a 5870 in the same test runs at 86 C degrees.

480GTX is only 7 degrees hotter than a 5870.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review/7

So before saying how hot GTX 480 is - don't forget that the 5870 is not far behind

 

[dominatorix]

"This is completely false.

At mid 70s ambient temp GTX 480 runs at 93 C degrees at full load, and a 5870 in the same test runs at 86 C degrees.

480GTX is only 7 degrees hotter than a 5870."


.....look at the cooler is used to cool the GTX480
secondary, GTX480 don't have the 512 cuda core not only because the it to hot, but because must of theme are bad ones,end it seams only 1.7% from them are o.k. remember that!!!They cud not deliver a full cuda GPU,
I like nvidia card's ,my last card was gtx 285, my last card from Ati was 9550XT, end a week ago I bought myself a MSI R5870.
I O.C, this card at 975 the GPU end memory at 1300 with V. at 1.250.....all with a stock cooler!!I plan to buy a arctic cooler to see how far i can go.

 

[Guest]

Prices aren't going to drop nearly as much as they'd need to fit the definition of "competitive".

 

[rooket]

9800 GTX+ would run everything I play fine. I foolishly upgraded from that to GTX 260 core 216, very very minimal gain doing that. GTX 470 and GTX 480 are for the hardcore which is fine. there's always plenty of sheep to feed the big corporations too much cash for something that nobody even needs. By the time after I skip this whole generation of GPU I can buy another mid range card that will run my stuff properly in the future. Anything above GTX 275 runs too hot and uses too much power and also is overpriced. Will I see a gain with the monitor I use in Valve Source engine games? no. And that is simply because it will texture tear all the way across my new samsung screen if I don't have v-sync turned on. But what do people really use a GTX 295 or even going to use a GTX 480 for or any of the triple SLI? Source games don't work with SLI they only do single card as far as I've been told. Also what game really needs all this horsepower? Crysis? who even plays that game? lol. WoW runs fine on low end computers, even generations of systems that I passed. I'm sure this crummy pentium D sitting behind me would run that game.

Whenever nvidia and ATI have all the good cards at high price I just don't buy. If they don't lower the cost, I just hold onto my cash. Luckily the 9800 and 260 were cheap and that is when I bought. Otherwise I was sticking to xbox360. And as much as I dislike ATI, there is no choice when buying an xbox360 they all come with a crappy ATI chip inside which even microsoft had problems with for about 4 years due to overheating and melting the solder and other heat related issues.

 

[OvrClkr]

Who said anything about price-cuts? The 470 @ 339.99/349.99$ is priced just right, it's 5% faster than a 5850 in 7 out of the 10 games tested. The cheapest 5850 is priced at 309.99$ and the most expensive is at 370.00$. It is clear that the 470 is cheaper than what we expected. In a few months with mature drivers it will trounce the 5850 in everything.

The 480 on the other hand could use a 50.00$ price cut.

I remember back when many were saying that they were "CERTAIN" that the 470 was going to be priced at 499.99$ and the 480 at 649.99$. Funny heh??

 

[restatement3dofted]

Who said anything about price-cuts? The 470 @ 339.99/349.99$ is priced just right, it's 5% faster than a 5850 in 7 out of the 10 games tested. The cheapest 5850 is priced at 309.99$ and the most expensive is at 370.00$. It is clear that the 470 is cheaper than what we expected. In a few months with mature drivers it will trounce the 5850 in everything.

The 480 on the other hand could use a 50.00$ price cut.

I remember back when many were saying that they were "CERTAIN" that the 470 was going to be priced at 499.99$ and the 480 at 649.99$. Funny heh??

Though there are no guarantees that the launch prices will survive the short supply - I would expect the 470 to be sitting at the $400-450 range, with the 480 to jump up to the $550-600 range until production and supply ramp up somewhat.

 

[daniel joy]

sweet! 3d and physX on a super fast card or even cards! SLI baby! seriously though- im getting two- not becuase i care about Nvidia or Ati but becuase of those two features. sure ati has 3d in the works- but its way behind the green team. i hope someday i can game in 3d on the ati stuff but Ati is way behind in 3d... anyone has says otherwise has not tried all the solutions...

 

[soulgraph]

whew, I was worried I'd be pssd I bought a 5870 already

 

[OvrClkr]

Nvidia simply cannot raise the price on Fermi, it aint happening unless they start to outsell AMD, which is highly unlikely due to the power and heat issues. ATM the prices are fine and should stay the same. The ONLY way i see NV raising the prices is by churning 512 core cards with non-reference cooling.

 

[verun]

The reactions to the release of Fermi were widely predictable. The reason is not a bad product (the 480 is faster then even the 5960 in some games and in SLI it even beats 2 5960's by a large ampunt in many cases).
No the reason is very simple: people waited, and waited and got angry at NVIDIA always delaying the cards and not telling us what was going on.
So people started going to ATI and bought a product they initially did not want to buy.

Now the cards finally come out and are faster (and this with beta drivers VS the newest Catalyst) and have some pro's and also some con's.
Now the ATI community has become much bigger and ost people who bought a Radeon will simply not want to see anything good on their product of hate.

I've read a very impressive conclusion on the EVGA forums where one member states how it really is:
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=265488

There's really nothing more to say about this then is said in that first post.

 

[itailsfly]

I don't see myself spending over $200 for something that will be obsolete in a few months to a year. That's why I am sticking with ATI.

 

[MasterDOOM]

[citation][nom]itailsfly[/nom]I don't see myself spending over $200 for something that will be obsolete in a few months to a year. That's why I am sticking with ATI.[/citation]

Best choice AMD - ATI Radeon Belive me Good Price and Performane I have from the Summer 2009 Sapphire 4870X2 and is a beast Enjoy