Genju question

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Hi there, here is the situation, i have a genju (the white one) enchanting
a land but the land is tapped.

So if i activate the ability so the enchated land become also a creature, is
the creature is considered tapped so it cant attack or block OR it does not
matter whatever the land is tapped or not ???

thx in advance

P.

 

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P. <patrick_laurin@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Hi there, here is the situation, i have a genju (the white one) enchanting
> a land but the land is tapped.
>
> So if i activate the ability so the enchated land become also a creature, is
> the creature is considered tapped so it cant attack or block OR it does not
> matter whatever the land is tapped or not ???

It's still tapped. That ability doesn't untap it. Since it's tapped,
it can't attack or block.
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"P." <patrick_laurin@sympatico.ca> writes:
> Hi there, here is the situation, i have a genju (the white one) enchanting
> a land but the land is tapped.
>
> So if i activate the ability so the enchated land become also a creature, is
> the creature is considered tapped so it cant attack or block OR it does not
> matter whatever the land is tapped or not ???

There isn't a separate land and a separate creature. When the Genju's
ability resolves, the land changes from being a "Land -- Plains" to
being a "Creature Land -- Plains". But it's still the same permanent.
Its tappedness, enchantments, counters, and so on don't change unless
something else tells them to.

> thx in advance

You're welcome!

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P. wrote:

> Hi there, here is the situation, i have a genju (the white one)
> enchanting a land but the land is tapped.
>
> So if i activate the ability so the enchated land become also a creature,
> is the creature is considered tapped so it cant attack or block OR it does
> not matter whatever the land is tapped or not ???

The Genju says nothing about the tapped state of the card, it only
makes it into a creature (and gives it a triggered ability). So
it goes from being a tapped Land to being a tapped Land Creature.
It's still tapped. Tapped creatures can't attack or block.
>
> thx in advance
>
> P.

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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:48:08 -0500, P. <patrick_laurin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Hi there, here is the situation, i have a genju (the white one) enchanting
>a land but the land is tapped.

Okay. So you have a tapped Plains land with the white-mana-making ability,
enchanted by the Genju enchantment.

>So if i activate the ability so the enchated land become also a creature, is
>the creature is considered tapped so it cant attack or block OR it does not
>matter whatever the land is tapped or not ???

Um, the creature _is_ tapped. There is no "considered" about it. The creature
IS the land; after you resolve the Genju ability, you have a tapped 2/5 white
Spirit Plains land creature with the Spirit-Link ability.

The Genju does not somehow make a "token creature off to the side of the
land" or anything like that; it doesn't say it does. It does what it says:
it turns the land permanent INTO 'a 2/5 white Spirit creature with "Whenever
this creature deals damage, you gain that much life." It's still a land.'

This does not say it untaps the land. It also doesn't say it taps the land.
So it doesn't do either one to the land; the land creature will be in the
same position as before. In this case, it's tapped, and a tapped landcreature
can't attack and can't block.

Dave
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Peter Cooper Jr. <pete+mtg@cooperjr.name> wrote:
>"P." <patrick_laurin@sympatico.ca> writes:
>> Hi there, here is the situation, i have a genju (the white one) enchanting
>> a land but the land is tapped.
>>
>> So if i activate the ability so the enchated land become also a creature, is
>> the creature is considered tapped so it cant attack or block OR it does not
>> matter whatever the land is tapped or not ???
>
>There isn't a separate land and a separate creature. When the Genju's
>ability resolves, the land changes from being a "Land -- Plains" to
>being a "Creature Land -- Plains".

Actually, to a "Creature Land -- Spirit Plains", for some ordering of the two
on each end.

>But it's still the same permanent.
>Its tappedness, enchantments, counters, and so on don't change unless
>something else tells them to.

Yep. It gets a new ability; it doesn't lose the old one, has the same
expansion symbol, etc.

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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