GF100 (Fermi) previews and discussion

[edyn]

Can't believe their only throwing out high-end cards. If only the 470 can be somewhere arround 300$ or less i would buy it. But, even being supporting nvidia alot these days, i will not p ay 700bucks for a card "slightly" better than the ati counterpart that sell for half the price :S.

for 700 bucks you could almost get 2x5850 :S.

I really wish to grab a fermi but common nvidia! You can't expect us to pay that much for that less of an improvement. I will see once the real benchmarks and prices will be out i guess...

 

[roofus]

i wouldn't hold my breath on a 300 dollar 470 at launch. they have been so quiet that rumors become reference points. we will know in May i guess...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Dang its looking good!!

 

[Mousemonkey]

Why is the OpenCL box on the screen shot of GPUz unchecked?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Well, looking at my previous post, maybe nVidia used up all the check marks?

 

[sabot00]

Why is the OpenCL box on the screen shot of GPUz unchecked?

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7277/3e6f17a6bacb4bcbab15ce3.jpg

You have to download the OpenCL drivers, as the standard Catalyst doesn't come with OpenCL.

 

[Mousemonkey]

You have to download the OpenCL drivers, as the standard Catalyst doesn't come with OpenCL.

Oh Ok, I'm used to the Nvidia drivers that already have them included.

 

[randomizer]

I would hope that when AMD has polished off OpenCL support that they'd include it in the drivers. Then again, it's nice not to have the 120MB+ driver download like NVIDIA has. I really don't know why I don't have the choice not to download and not to install 3D Stereo Vision drivers.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I would hope that when AMD has polished off OpenCL support that they'd include it in the drivers. Then again, it's nice not to have the 120MB+ driver download like NVIDIA has. I really don't know why I don't have the choice not to download and not to install 3D Stereo Vision drivers.

It's no use fighting it mate, you know you want some of that 3D goodness. Don't make me toad you.

 

[strangestranger]

Well soon ati will sort of jump onto the 3-d gaming bandwagon as well. Still won't make it popular.

 

[randomizer]

But whenever I use 3D Vision, I can only see an image with one eye.

 

[Mousemonkey]

But whenever I use 3D Vision, I can only see an image with one eye.

Bummer, I wear specs myself so 3D goggles have always been a PITA as they just don't fit right.

 

[jennyh]

More Fermi fail

“By the time we begin launching Fermi, which is in volume production today, and which will really become mainstream for us in Q2 – Q3 from a volume standpoint, the yield issues will be past us,” added Mr. White.

Q2-Q3 for Nvidia is July/August. They keep pushing the card back, it's just neverending fail from the green team.

 

[strangestranger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gqT6En2O78

 

[Zijn]

It is rumored that the new series from ATI is a whole new architecture. And your comment about the 400 series from nVidia...hmm...they are already late for the 5000 series, where do you think they will be for the 6000 series?

Well then wont AMD be doing the exact thing that Nvid is doing now?

Nvidia are starting again with a whole new arch and everyones slating them, when they havent touched the final product.
And what is AMD get into the same pickle?
Will everyone ridicule them as well? ATI this.. ATI that...

Yes they may of messed up with Fermi for their launch but they will learn from their mistakes and the 2nd Gen will be awesome!

I perfer Nvid cards but atm ATI are raping. Personally i think Nvid has better benifits for me ( CUDA, 3D vision etc..), but ATI have some amazing products and have done fantasticly..
Still no reason to belittle Nvidia.. People need to grow up its only a product.

 

[-Fran-]

Well then wont AMD be doing the exact thing that Nvid is doing now?

Nvidia are starting again with a whole new arch and everyones slating them, when they havent touched the final product.
And what is AMD get into the same pickle?
Will everyone ridicule them as well? ATI this.. ATI that...

Yes they may of messed up with Fermi for their launch but they will learn from their mistakes and the 2nd Gen will be awesome!

I perfer Nvid cards but atm ATI are raping. Personally i think Nvid has better benifits for me ( CUDA, 3D vision etc..), but ATI have some amazing products and have done fantasticly..
Still no reason to belittle Nvidia.. People need to grow up its only a product.

They already did... Remember the HD2900XT? It had Tesselation but nobody ever used it till DX11 (not even in DX10.1 lol) 😛

And ATI Stream is very nice, I'm starting to do some programming in it. Gotta love OpenCL 😛

Cheers! 😛

 

[mindless728]

@Zijn, the NV benefits really are not that much, 3D vision there isn't an ati version of it yet, CUDA shouldn't even be used anymore with the advent of opencl, PhysX is a piece of proprietary garbage that i hope gets replaced by Havok on the opencl platform

though i agree, no reason to belittle people over a company

also don't speculate that because the 5000 series was late and the 6000 series is new arch that it will be late like this, NV launch is roughly 6 months late for various reasons be it yield, power, and/or heat issues that the cards have

@Yuka, i have used CUDA and ATI stream, i like opencl better mainly for the vendor neutrality, i am sick of the vendor specific API's, though have you looked at DirectCompute

 

[-Fran-]

Nope, still learning and toying with OpenCL. First time for me xD!

Anyway, DirectCompute doesn't seem to bad either. The API looks ""simple"" at least 😛

Cheers!

 

[mindless728]

i though about picking up both opencl and DirectCompute, i usually do most of my development in linux, but that is usually in a VM since my dev box is the same as my gaming box

and yes, the DirectCompute API looks pretty easy tp use, as does opencl, and i am all for cross vendor GPGPU

i don't see CUDA being used much anymore, and ATI dropped the Stream SDK for opencl now

EDIT: though i would have bought a GTX4x0 when they come out except that NV decided to Nuke the double precision ability of the desktop cards (1/4 speed) compared to the workstation version

 

[Trueno07]

It's great an all that Nvidia is going to release it's new 700$ GPU's, but what about it's budget/enthusiast line-up ($160( Like the 5770) through $300 (5850)). These performance of these cards matters the most because it's all about bang for your buck. I don't know about you guys, but i want an affordable card that get's the job done, and well. Not some overpowered 15 inch long, 3 PCI slot high monster (I'm exaggerating here) that costs me an arm an a leg.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Youll have to wait awhile before these cards come along. Another 2-3 months at minimum.
Unless you want to buy ATIs cards, its another long wait for nVidia in the lower segments for DX11

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Second-tier graphics card makers are unlikely to start mass shipments of their Nvidia GeForce GTX 480/470-based (Fermi) graphics cards until April despite that Nvidia plans to announce the GPU on March 26 since most of the them have not yet received complete reference board designs, according to sources from graphics card makers.

The sources expect Nvidia will give supply priority to first-tier makers or makers that only produce Nvidia cards. Makers including XFX and PNY are already offering pre-orders for these upcoming cards with GTX 480 priced at around US$679.99 and GTX 470 at about US$499.99.

Some market watchers originally expected AMD to drop its graphics card price to counter the launch of Nvidia's new cards, but since the prices of Nvidia cards are higher than AMD's existing cards, watchers now believe any price war between the two chip makers is unlikely to start until after May.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100225PD202.html

 

[daedalus685]

Second-tier graphics card makers are unlikely to start mass shipments of their Nvidia GeForce GTX 480/470-based (Fermi) graphics cards until April despite that Nvidia plans to announce the GPU on March 26 since most of the them have not yet received complete reference board designs, according to sources from graphics card makers.

The sources expect Nvidia will give supply priority to first-tier makers or makers that only produce Nvidia cards. Makers including XFX and PNY are already offering pre-orders for these upcoming cards with GTX 480 priced at around US$679.99 and GTX 470 at about US$499.99.

Some market watchers originally expected AMD to drop its graphics card price to counter the launch of Nvidia's new cards, but since the prices of Nvidia cards are higher than AMD's existing cards, watchers now believe any price war between the two chip makers is unlikely to start until after May.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100225PD202.html

Is that implying that the 679 and 499 prices are correct? I sure hope that means the optimistic performance numbers turn out to be true...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Not sure where theyre getting their numbers from, as digi has been off in the past.
I havnt heard anything from nVidia, so til we do, it is rumor, but the rest does correlate with what weve been hearing as to availability and distribution

 

[daedalus685]

Not sure where theyre getting their numbers from, as digi has been off in the past.
I havnt heard anything from nVidia, so til we do, it is rumor, but the rest does correlate with what weve been hearing as to availability and distribution

Aye, though the price rumours have been all over the place.. From priced to match the 5850/5870 to second mortgage..

I mean... regardless of what it costs I'll have a hard time replacing my 4890's without a profound amount of buyers guilt... I just really want to see something DX11 that stands out on the off chance I have any desire to play AvP. Would love to see pricing pressure put on ATI, as I no longer own any stock 😉