[SOLVED] Good PC stuttering on almost all games, Im about to throw it out the window. ive tried almost everything and im losing hope that i will diagnose it

[HydroXzX]

First off here's my specs:
1080P 75 hz Freesync Dell monitor
ASUS PRIME B-450 M/A
MSI MAG 750W POWER SUPPLY
RYZEN 5600X
AMD RX 6750XT
16gb Crucial Ballistix 3200Mhz CL16 ( running in dual channel in the correct slots )
1Tb SSD ( i forgot the brand its kindof old) i believe my SSD may be failing bc of the starting and stopping of downloads on steam but i dont see how this could cause stuttering in games but someone please enlighten me. i also dont know of a program to test SSD

i have tried just about everything from Bios settings like enabling and disabling XMP and precision boost overdrive i even downclocked my ram speed, timings and cpu speed just to see if it was a stability issue. windows settings like turning of Xbox game bar ect, One thing i havent tried yet is resetting windows but i just did that a few months ago when i installed my new parts. Also it seems like anytime my game has to load alot of assets the stuttering starts, in non dense areas of games the performance is buttery smooth. i can max settings out plus some in the wilderness in RDR2 and its smooth but as soon as i enter a town the stuttering starts. Another thing ive noticed the frametimes seem to be all over the place. Also benchmarks like 3dMark and Furmark seem to present no issues whatsoever, only real games have problems. Also my system never crashes or BSOD, nothing like that happens.. My over analytical but apparently dumb brain is telling me the issue could be even deeper rooted like a damaged component on the PCB of my GPU or dirty power going to my power supply for example or maybe my motherboard just sucks or possibly even a loose SSD cable or maybe my ssd is causing the issue. Im open to try any suggestions and would even pay someone a tip for helping me if it solves the issue because if not, im just gonna dropkick PC gaming and buy a console. Ive had many issues like this in the past (albeit i managed to fix most of them) i had a better experience on my old Ryzen 1600 and RX 480. Thanks for any and all help

 

[rgd1101]

how full is the ssd?
cpu/gpu temp and usage during the game?
ram usage?

 

[HydroXzX]

433GB free on the SSD
CPU seems to hover around 70c under load
GPU core is around 65c and hotspot is around 75c
Ram usage for RDR2 is 4.8GB and task manager is reporting 63% ram usage in total just sitting here with all my apps and game running as they would usually be
1% lows drop to around 18fps in cities constantly with 75FPS ( v- sync ) in between stutters

 

[HydroXzX]

Turning settings down dosent make things better as a matter of fact it makes the stutters occur more

 

[HydroXzX]

Also cpu usage is around 60%

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

stuttering on almost all games

what exactly are you calling "stuttering";
just lower fps for random periods of time,
very quick fluctuations back & forth from high to low fps,
low fps in specific areas or when certain in-game actions are going on,
etc..?

i believe my SSD may be failing bc of the starting and stopping of downloads on steam but i dont see how this could cause stuttering

stuttering is actually the inability of the fps to remain steady with constant fluctuations,
not just lower fps at certain times.

a full or bad disk can cause or contribute to this or other performance issues because the data on the disk isn't being read at a constant speed.

you can use something like CrystalDiskInfo to test disk health.
or check the disk manufacturer's product support page(s) for any available software.

1Tb SSD

you should look into getting a separate disk for game installations.
having the OS, background app/processes, and games all reading from the same disk at the same time can also lead to decreased performance.

16gb Crucial Ballistix 3200Mhz CL16

you may also want to look into switching out for a 32GB(2x 16GB) 3600MHz RAM kit.
AMD is known for being more dependent on available memory and faster speeds for better performance.

 

[HydroXzX]

what exactly are you calling "stuttering";
just lower fps for random periods of time,
very quick fluctuations back & forth from high to low fps,
low fps in specific areas or when certain in-game actions are going on,
etc..?

stuttering is actually the inability of the fps to remain steady with constant fluctuations,
not just lower fps at certain times.

a full or bad disk can cause or contribute to this because the data on the disk isn't being read at a constant speed.

you can use something like CrystalDiskInfo to test disk health.
or check the disk manufacturer's product support page(s) for any available software.

you should look into getting a separate disk for game installations.
having the OS, background app/processes, and games all reading from the same disk at the same time can also lead to decreased performance.

you may also want to look into switching out for a 32GB(2x 16GB) 3600MHz RAM kit.
AMD is known for being more dependent on available memory and faster speeds for better performance.

Stuttering to me is when my Framerate Plummets into the teens for microseconds then back up to my refresh rate which i can visually see and feel and yes it only happens in towns for the most part but as ive said lowering the settings actually makes the stutters occur more often . 16Gb of 3200mhz ram is perfectly fine for this game im currently playing. Having the games on a separate SSD may help initial loading times and overall better for system snappiness especially while gaming but this isnt the issue that is bothering me. However i believe the SSD may have something to do with it

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

games on a separate SSD may help initial loading times and overall better for system snappiness especially while gaming but this isnt the issue that is bothering me

game data is constantly being read from the installed location, it doesn't just all load when starting up and remain in memory until you close the game.
if there is an issue with the disk then it is going to constantly cause issue with game data being read and processed.

also if there are background applications and/or OS processes reading & writing to & from this same disk then there can be very noticeable fluctuations in the speed in which game data is being read resulting in bad game performance.
especially if this may be a disk that is already suffering from some sort of degradation.

16Gb of 3200mhz ram is perfectly fine for this game

may fit the game's recommended requirements,
but AMD performance in particular suffers overall from lack of available memory and from lower RAM speeds.
3600MHz with lower latency has been noted as the "sweet spot" for these CPUs.

 

[HydroXzX]

game data is constantly being read from the installed location, it doesn't just all load when starting up and remain in memory until you close the game.
if there is an issue with the disk then it is going to constantly cause issue with game data being read and processed.

also if there are background applications and/or OS processes reading & writing to & from this same disk then there can be very noticeable fluctuations in the speed in which game data is being read resulting in bad game performance.
especially if this may be a disk that is already suffering from some sort of degradation.

may fit the game's recommended requirements,
but AMD performance in particular suffers overall from lack of available memory and from lower RAM speeds.
3600MHz with lower latency has been noted as the "sweet spot" for these CPUs.

I just highly doubt that the ram speed being a little slower than optimal would cause issues like this to this degree, if it was just a little stutter every once in a while i wouldn't even see it as a big deal as im used to that. If that were the case theoretically wouldn't downclocking the cpu some alleviate this?

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

ram speed being a little slower than optimal would cause issues like this to this degree

never stated that it would be the root cause of the issue.
along with more available RAM, just another option to increase possible performance in all situations.

my first action would be to get a new good sized(2-4TB) SATA SSD and reinstall all games there.

 

[HydroXzX]

never stated that it would be the root cause of the issue.
along with more available RAM, just another option to increase possible performance in all situations.

my first action would be to get a new good sized(2-4TB) SATA SSD and reinstall all games there.

I dont doubt the SSD isint the main issue i completely agree with that and it makes sense , now i think about it i do have a 128Gb SSD as well thats even older but the games i have on there dont seem to be presenting any stutter( although they are old really easy to run titles ) Should i go for a M.2 drive while im at it? and whats the most reliable manufacturer in your experience?

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

Should i go for a M.2 drive while im at it? and whats the most reliable manufacturer in your experience?

M.2 vs SATA;
for games it doesn't really make a difference performance-wise yet, but you can get a much larger SATA drive for less money.

i'd probably get a new 512GB - 1TB M.2 for the OS & applications.
and go for 2-4TB SATA for strictly games.

Samsung is still one of the most trusted with good customer support and provided software.
there are tons of reliable options out there though.
see what types are available for you and post back here or even start a new thread listing those options. you'll usually get a lot of feedback along with some posted reviews for certain models.

 

[HydroXzX]

i just made a benchmark video showing what my system is doing exactly, you may not visually see a lot of the stutters bc it was recorded in 30fps. i realized this after.
also i shortened the video between scenes to make it a little less lengthy

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ak3MfdyMQ0

 

[HydroXzX]

Keep an eye on the frametimes, when they are going crazy is when the lag spikes occur

 

[HydroXzX]

No real lag occurs until the final scene, and thats in town, also the game settings are on almost all ultra with a few high settings mixed in

 

[Bob.B]

First off here's my specs:
1080P 75 hz Freesync Dell monitor
ASUS PRIME B-450 M/A
MSI MAG 750W POWER SUPPLY
RYZEN 5600X
AMD RX 6750XT
16gb Crucial Ballistix 3200Mhz CL16 ( running in dual channel in the correct slots )
1Tb SSD ( i forgot the brand its kindof old) i believe my SSD may be failing bc of the starting and stopping of downloads on steam but i dont see how this could cause stuttering in games but someone please enlighten me. i also dont know of a program to test SSD

i have tried just about everything from Bios settings like enabling and disabling XMP and precision boost overdrive i even downclocked my ram speed, timings and cpu speed just to see if it was a stability issue. windows settings like turning of Xbox game bar ect, One thing i havent tried yet is resetting windows but i just did that a few months ago when i installed my new parts. Also it seems like anytime my game has to load alot of assets the stuttering starts, in non dense areas of games the performance is buttery smooth. i can max settings out plus some in the wilderness in RDR2 and its smooth but as soon as i enter a town the stuttering starts. Another thing ive noticed the frametimes seem to be all over the place. Also benchmarks like 3dMark and Furmark seem to present no issues whatsoever, only real games have problems. Also my system never crashes or BSOD, nothing like that happens.. My over analytical but apparently dumb brain is telling me the issue could be even deeper rooted like a damaged component on the PCB of my GPU or dirty power going to my power supply for example or maybe my motherboard just sucks or possibly even a loose SSD cable or maybe my ssd is causing the issue. Im open to try any suggestions and would even pay someone a tip for helping me if it solves the issue because if not, im just gonna dropkick PC gaming and buy a console. Ive had many issues like this in the past (albeit i managed to fix most of them) i had a better experience on my old Ryzen 1600 and RX 480. Thanks for any and all help

If you changed the mobo did you do a clean install of windows?

Post a screenshot from 'crystal disk info' for your disk.

 

[HydroXzX]

If you changed the mobo did you do a clean install of windows?

Post a screenshot from 'crystal disk info' for your disk.

I havent changed the motherboard since i bought the 1600x a few years back

https://imgur.com/ch18VX7

View: https://imgur.com/ch18VX7

 

[Bob.B]

I havent changed the motherboard since i bought the 1600x a few years back

https://imgur.com/ch18VX7

View: https://imgur.com/ch18VX7

That's crystaldiskmark now try crystaldiskinfo and post a screenshot.

 

[geofelt]

Stuttering is caused by a temporary lack of a critical resource; commonly cpu.
Try these two tests:
Run memtest86+
It boots from a usb stick and does not use windows.
You can download it here:

Memtest86+ | The Open-Source Memory Testing Tool

Memtest86+ is an advanced, free, open-source, stand-alone memory tester for 32- and 64-bit computers (UEFI & BIOS supported)

memtest.org

If you can run a full pass with NO errors, your ram should be ok.

Running several more passes will sometimes uncover an issue, but it takes more time.
Probably not worth it unless you really suspect a ram issue.

Run the cpu-Z bench on your 5600X.
You should see a single thread score of about 643:
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/rsf5p1/1

If your results are nominal, I would exclude hardware issues as your cause.

Next thing to look at is what is also running while gaming.
Monitors, maintenance apps, discord, and other tasks that can be dispatched at higher priority than your game.
Check your task manager started task list.
Look at your installed programs for anything you don't recognize.
Run malwarebytes to check for malware.
Avoid multitasking while gaming.

16gb should be plenty of ram.
But, some games now need more.
Look at your task manager resource monitor memory tab.
If you see a hard fault rate more than about zero, you may need more ram.

 

[gggplaya]

Set your FRAMETIME to have a graph+text instead of just text. You'll be able to visually see stutters much better.

Frequencies on your GPU and CPU look good staying in boost the whole time.

How are you limiting your framerate to 75fps, in Adrenaline or in Rivatuner?? I remember this causes stutter depending on which one you use, but I can't remember which. I fixed this stutter by using my Nvidia control panel to set the framerate limit.

 

[HydroXzX]

I Enabled Resizable Bar and allow above 4g decoding in bios and verified it was on with gpuz (was being finicky at first) and now the stutters are pretty non existent now with maxed out settings in Red Dead Redemption 2 running through Saint Dennis causing havoc . Even while writing this and having 7 other background apps open im having an amazing time now with steady frametime and no consistent stutters to speak of. Only time i get stutters is when tabbing in and out for the first few frames and that dosent even happen much. Anyone experiencing issues needs to enable Resizable bar and allow above 4g encoding.