Got a 970 gtx msi a few weeks ago, most games running at low fps

[port27]

There is no thermal throttling at 55-60C. It throttles around 90-95C.

It's throttling when it just goes on 61C. Having a fan next to my computer pointed at the CPU is letting me run the games I want to play.

Like turkey said there is no throttling at that temp. CPU's and GPU's are made to go into the 90's before they shut down or throttle. I wonder at what point you will take my previous advice and realize that CPU is weak for gaming.

But it has been completely fine before? I just don't understand why adding in this GPU is suddenly making it run like this.

Because that GPU kicks serious ass and while your CPU might have been able to push your previous GPU its definitely not capable of driving a GTX 970 to its full potential.

 

[mason marnell@1457018692]

There is no thermal throttling at 55-60C. It throttles around 90-95C.

It's throttling when it just goes on 61C. Having a fan next to my computer pointed at the CPU is letting me run the games I want to play.

Like turkey said there is no throttling at that temp. CPU's and GPU's are made to go into the 90's before they shut down or throttle. I wonder at what point you will take my previous advice and realize that CPU is weak for gaming.

But it has been completely fine before? I just don't understand why adding in this GPU is suddenly making it run like this.

Because that GPU kicks serious ass and while your CPU might have been able to push your previous GPU its definitely not capable of driving a GTX 970 to its full potential.

That doesn't really make sense, if anything it should have made his games run a little better, not way worse.

 

[port27]

There is no thermal throttling at 55-60C. It throttles around 90-95C.

It's throttling when it just goes on 61C. Having a fan next to my computer pointed at the CPU is letting me run the games I want to play.

Like turkey said there is no throttling at that temp. CPU's and GPU's are made to go into the 90's before they shut down or throttle. I wonder at what point you will take my previous advice and realize that CPU is weak for gaming.

But it has been completely fine before? I just don't understand why adding in this GPU is suddenly making it run like this.

Because that GPU kicks serious ass and while your CPU might have been able to push your previous GPU its definitely not capable of driving a GTX 970 to its full potential.

That doesn't really make sense, if anything it should have made his games run a little better, not way worse.

He is being throttled by that CPU and while I could explain it to you in better detail I don't think you would understand considering you are giving him advice that he is being thermally throttled when his temps are in the 60's.

 

[mason marnell@1457018692]

Ok explain it then. To me it sounds like he had a low-mid level GPU, he upgraded to a 970 and now he's getting worse frames than before.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Did you uninstall your old drivers with the display driver uninstaller?

 

[Vizzer6]

Can we not argue about it? I'm just looking for some helpful replies so I can look towards fixing this :/

 

[Vizzer6]

Did you uninstall your old drivers with the display driver uninstaller?

Yeah all my old AMD drivers for the GPU I had are gone, got rid of them with CCleaner a couple of weeks ago

 

[mason marnell@1457018692]

Did you double check you have the newest Nvidia driver?

 

[Vizzer6]

Did you double check you have the newest Nvidia driver?

Plenty of times

 

[port27]

How were your in game settings with your old card compared to your new card? What features if any have changed? Even if you didn't change them yourself some games will adjust based on your GPU. I will say this for the last time the FX-8120 (bulldozer) has terrible and I mean terrible single core performance. It is one of the worst CPU's made for gaming. The Phenom II's are better. You will never get the performance you are looking from that GTX 970 paired with that CPU. Expect frame spikes like crazy in a lot of games. Even overclocked it isn't going to matter. You need to upgrade your CPU there is not magical fix here sorry.

 

[KenMcBreezy]

Aside from Zambezi being barely passable (sad, because I love the brand - they've just been mismanaged to near-death), one thing I would like to remind you is that you just switched from AMD/AMD to AMD/NVIDIA. AMD tests their drivers very thoroughly to ensure their compatibility with each other (GPU<--->Chipset<--->CPU mainly) and NVIDIA/Intel is much the same way. You do NOT however get any cross-compatibility from either side because neither is in the business of promoting the purchase of equipment from the other side.

In fact, it is quite the opposite - with DirectX 12, you can put together say an R9 Fury with a GTX 980 Ti (with the AMD in Primary PCI express slot, and the NVIDIA in the secondary - for some reason it performs better with the AMD in the lead, which is likely due to the architecture emphasis each company has, but that's also very much beside the point) HOWEVER neither AMD nor NVIDIA has been willing to provide support to help stabilize this, it has to come from each individual title's manufacturer which means this cross-compatibility is likely dead in the water.

All that aside, yes it would be a good idea to take apart and thoroughly clean your rig, and then to relocate it onto your desk top if you can (depending on how you have it set up, you can likely put it behind your monitor(s) crosswise so that you can access the ports and buttons by reaching to either side of your video setup. It would cost you nothing but the game downtime to test this out.

Into low-cost options, you could consider reselling your 970 and getting an R9 series (if going that route, I would limp along with your old GPU until the new HBM2 cards are released and the prices for the current cards gets pushed down to stretch out those pounds). You can also replace your case fans as they are cheap and they could almost certainly could use it.

Into somewhat higher-cost options, you can update your main board/cpu and go Intel. That is purely your choice and you should not listen to anyone saying what is "better than the other" but you really do want to keep your CPU/GPU/Chipset as matched as possible so your drivers will have less conflicts. You can get a decent main board and processor set at just about any price range, so you would want to do some research to see what best fits your options here. Be careful to review your chassis specifications so you don't force yourself to buy a new one if you go this route, unless you want the costs to start jumping significantly.

Another thought, and this is a low-cost one again - if you have some tools and a little ingenuity, you can modify your case to allow you to mount it higher in that tower cubby. You have no perforations at the top, so you could run bolts through the top of the case through the desktop. Personally, I would use pinned posts like race cars have for holding their hood in place, so that you can support the case from below and pull the pin to remove from the desk quickly. This will get your underside openings into open air that isn't so close to the carpet. You could also cut/remove the cubby from of the desk and allow a completely open-air installation, and you could mount the tower anywhere on the desk you like - just make sure that it won't interfere with your peripherals.

 

[port27]

@KenMcBreezy I don't mean to bash on AMD I wish they could compete with Intel because believe me I am not cool with Intel's cash grab. That said I recently moved back to AMD for my GPU needs because I felt in the $300 price range the R9 390 is a beast of a card and it seems they finally fixed the issue with the thermals and overall power draw is finally acceptable. I don't want my comments above to sound like every other fanboy that hates AMD because I am quite the opposite I am more disappointed with them on the CPU side than anything. Hopefully they can figure something out and make positive progress as they are doing on the GPU side. Competition is healthy for the industry and in the end we the consumers are the winners.

 

[Vizzer6]

Aside from Zambezi being barely passable (sad, because I love the brand - they've just been mismanaged to near-death), one thing I would like to remind you is that you just switched from AMD/AMD to AMD/NVIDIA. AMD tests their drivers very thoroughly to ensure their compatibility with each other (GPU<--->Chipset<--->CPU mainly) and NVIDIA/Intel is much the same way. You do NOT however get any cross-compatibility from either side because neither is in the business of promoting the purchase of equipment from the other side.

In fact, it is quite the opposite - with DirectX 12, you can put together say an R9 Fury with a GTX 980 Ti (with the AMD in Primary PCI express slot, and the NVIDIA in the secondary - for some reason it performs better with the AMD in the lead, which is likely due to the architecture emphasis each company has, but that's also very much beside the point) HOWEVER neither AMD nor NVIDIA has been willing to provide support to help stabilize this, it has to come from each individual title's manufacturer which means this cross-compatibility is likely dead in the water.

All that aside, yes it would be a good idea to take apart and thoroughly clean your rig, and then to relocate it onto your desk top if you can (depending on how you have it set up, you can likely put it behind your monitor(s) crosswise so that you can access the ports and buttons by reaching to either side of your video setup. It would cost you nothing but the game downtime to test this out.

Into low-cost options, you could consider reselling your 970 and getting an R9 series (if going that route, I would limp along with your old GPU until the new HBM2 cards are released and the prices for the current cards gets pushed down to stretch out those pounds). You can also replace your case fans as they are cheap and they could almost certainly could use it.

Into somewhat higher-cost options, you can update your main board/cpu and go Intel. That is purely your choice and you should not listen to anyone saying what is "better than the other" but you really do want to keep your CPU/GPU/Chipset as matched as possible so your drivers will have less conflicts. You can get a decent main board and processor set at just about any price range, so you would want to do some research to see what best fits your options here. Be careful to review your chassis specifications so you don't force yourself to buy a new one if you go this route, unless you want the costs to start jumping significantly.

Another thought, and this is a low-cost one again - if you have some tools and a little ingenuity, you can modify your case to allow you to mount it higher in that tower cubby. You have no perforations at the top, so you could run bolts through the top of the case through the desktop. Personally, I would use pinned posts like race cars have for holding their hood in place, so that you can support the case from below and pull the pin to remove from the desk quickly. This will get your underside openings into open air that isn't so close to the carpet. You could also cut/remove the cubby from of the desk and allow a completely open-air installation, and you could mount the tower anywhere on the desk you like - just make sure that it won't interfere with your peripherals.

Well the solution I have for now is having my computer ontop on my desk next to the monitor, then stood next to my desk is a stack on weights and boxes with a deskfan placed ontop blowing cold air from my window to the side of the computer and out the back to keep the CPU cool which has done the trick as far as FPS and performance is concered. Next option is to upgrade my CPU to something better and more compatable with my gtx 970. For now though I'm kind of stuck being unable to buy anything thanks to having pretty much all my income going out the door for now until I can get some more work.

 

[WMB1882]

It doesn't seem like this case would be beneficial to do this, but don't forget to go to your NVidia control panel under global 3D settings and set the power setting to maximum performance. I had this trouble once on certain games because when the power setting was set to balanced it was holding back power to the GPU and making games run like crap. Wouldn't hurt to check.

 

[Vizzer6]

It doesn't seem like this case would be beneficial to do this, but don't forget to go to your NVidia control panel under global 3D settings and set the power setting to maximum performance. I had this trouble once on certain games because when the power setting was set to balanced it was holding back power to the GPU and making games run like crap. Wouldn't hurt to check.

Yeah I've already tried this and it didn't work

 

[KenMcBreezy]

Well the solution I have for now is having my computer ontop on my desk next to the monitor, then stood next to my desk is a stack on weights and boxes with a deskfan placed ontop blowing cold air from my window to the side of the computer and out the back to keep the CPU cool which has done the trick as far as FPS and performance is concered. Next option is to upgrade my CPU to something better and more compatable with my gtx 970. For now though I'm kind of stuck being unable to buy anything thanks to having pretty much all my income going out the door for now until I can get some more work.[/quotemsg]

Did you clean your rig?