GT300- Next generation Nvidia 40nm chip yields are fine

[Milos-stancene]

I've been considering waiting for an nvidia dx11 card to come out, but what worried me was price. With the gtx295 at around $500 still, I can only imagine that the new line of nvidia cards to be much more expensive than the 5870..

... and far better too

 

[EXT64]

Yep, and that is exactly right for someone in your (th3sarg) situation. You have the best of last Gen, so you have no reason to upgrade up as nothing really challenges your card. However, you must see the fallacy in John's argument for someone who has say an old 8800 or no card at all. While I certainly hope and think NVidia can pull out a great performing chip in 3-4 months, we know it will be very expensive by its design, and I am not sure NVidia really wants to take another generation of barely or failing to cover costs. So for someone looking to upgrade now, the 5800s are excellent performace for a decent price. Not to mention, when the GT300 comes out, many will be able to grab another 5800 to stay on the bleedin' edge then as well. Also, NVidias GTX395 is a really long way off (if ever), especially if they have to shrink it first to get it under the PCI-E power limit.

 

[Milos-stancene]

+1

 

[hallowed_dragon]

I really don't understand all this FanBoi crap, since day one I have bought the better / faster product, people who go on about the Companies Business Ethics and how they go about stuff... honesty?..... who gives a crap, not me, I want a bad ass GFX card that I can play my games on without issues, jess, I'd buy a Russell Hobbs GFX if it was better than everyone elses, and at the moment I have a GTX 295 as its the better card on the market, I personally won't be getting a 5870 as the performance jump is soo minimal I find it pointless to spend £300 for a few extra frames that, visually, i wouldnt even notice, if it was a HUGE jump in performance with DX11, it's a investment and I'd happily upgrade, but as it stands the 5870's havent blown me away and just are not a viable investment (for me anyway) there are no DX11 games to play anyway, but I DO want DX11 for DiRT 2 comes out December 😀

Basically, I'm happy to hang on and see how it pans out and we finally get something from the Green Camp, I'd be a bit gutted to go and spend 300 quid and find out the GT300's are the better card.

In your case, purchasing a 5870 is really pointless unless you care about power or the Eyefinity feature. The only reason I responded to little John was the way he presented some fictional facts like they were some universal truth, just like a 12 year old boy who just hit puberty and thinks his #### is the best out there.
Of course the only think that is important here is the performance of the cards.
5870 is a really nice card which I believe will show its true face when Dx11 games will emerge and/or better drivers appear. Saying some mythical unicorn creature is better than and incomplete graphic card generation from ATI is just plain stupid and/or trollish.

 

[th3sarg]

Yea totally agree with you EXT64, and if I didn't have my card I'd get a ATi 58xx in a heartbeat, especially if I was looking to upgrade from a older card, it's even worse knowing your going to upgrade and have money burning a hole in your pocket 😀

I was just pointing out the whole FanBoy issue and people sticking with thier favored company, even if its a inferoir product, I just cant see the logic.

 

[randomizer]

1) I'm glad the GTX295 is faster than the 5870. With more than twice as much silicon there it would be a sheer embarrassment if it came up short. Comparing 2 GPUs with 1 isn't exactly fair, even if they are both single slot.

2) If you want any credibility at all, post links to facts, not Fuad.

 

[hallowed_dragon]

1) I'm glad the GTX295 is faster than the 5870. With more than twice as much silicon there it would be a sheer embarrassment if it came up short. Comparing 2 GPUs with 1 isn't exactly fair, even if they are both single slot.

2) If you want any credibility at all, post links to facts, not Fuad.

1) It is still a little embarrasing that the 295 loses some benchmarks and when it wins, it wins with max 10%, but those are the advantages of newer generations over the older ones.

2) My point exactly. If nVidia manages to come 1st with a good priced card then my money go to them, but until then I base my purchasing on facts, not what fanboys dream and hope the future will bring.

 

[randomizer]

NVIDIA needs another G80. Hopefully G300 is that. Hopefully it is also super expensive so that AMD can compete with price/performance and the fanboys and rich can take the top card while the rest of us get more for our money.

 

[hallowed_dragon]

NVIDIA needs another G80. Hopefully G300 is that. Hopefully it is also super expensive so that AMD can compete with price/performance and the fanboys and rich can take the top card while the rest of us get more for our money.

The only way nVidia is going to get another G80 type of generation is to lose the monolitic chip architecture and start making something new. With chips this big the yields will be so small that the final result will be really expensive cards which of course will be the top, but only 100 people will enjoy them. Of course being first has the advantage that morons will follow the company, although they will not be able to afford top tier cards, but they will still have cards from the 'best'. This is the case in my country where the 48xx generation was ignored by people having 8800 GT by saying nVidia is first and not caring for facts. I know people that believe their 8800 cards are better than my 4870. Well, you cant cure stupidity.

 

[Guest]

nvidia still has the fastest card gtx 295, we dont have real dx 11 games so 5870 is pointless for now, till than Nv will have gt 300 that is much stronger than gt 200 series so it will wipe the floor with that 5870 or whats ever.

 

[Guest]

I think its better to have a competition because it will bring the price wars in all segments

 

[Guest]

just look the developers that use nvidia logo in games: the way its meant to be played. Also nvidia has the big company on their side thats produce their hardware; like EVGA, BFG and many others

 

[sirkillalot]

nvidia still has the fastest card gtx 295, we dont have real dx 11 games so 5870 is pointless for now,.

well not really ...........
its much cheaper
it runs cooler
it runs more quiet
it uses less watts

if u had to buy a new card now whats the point in getting one thats not dx11 those games will come soon plus its got better shading 5.0 etc etc etc

dirext x 11 games out october\november ......... BATTLEFORGE, STALKER, DIRT 2

 

[Ehsan w]

I'n not a Nvidia fanboy or anything, but I really do hope the Gtx 3xx series are really good, just because that gives Ati(maybe even Larrabee) more pressure
and pressure is good, cuz the competition is so much better that way
also, I am a little disappointed by the 5870 as it doesn't beat the 4870x2 at everything

 

[sirkillalot]

dont 4get the drivers are like 2 days old

ps its not just about speed as well its also about looks.
the 5870 has a lot of new tech to beef up the looks
when dirext x 11 hits then you will see the difference

 

[Ehsan w]

that may be true, but drivers don't exactly give you 20 fps more,
I do hope dx 11 helps a lot though
maybe drivers+dx 11 = +20fps?

 

[sirkillalot]

ive seen drivers do 10-15 fps difference from nvid and ati. 2 of those and your be laughing ------------------>>>>>>>>>>> :lol: :lol: :lol: <---- see

 

[hallowed_dragon]

nvidia still has the fastest card gtx 295, we dont have real dx 11 games so 5870 is pointless for now, till than Nv will have gt 300 that is much stronger than gt 200 series so it will wipe the floor with that 5870 or whats ever.

Here we go again. We all live in the land of fairies and magical creatures that spawn nVidia masterpieces all day...everyday.

 

[sirkillalot]

wait you saying there are no fairies, no way, i saw one yesterday, at the opera i think

 

[Guest]

time will tell but im sure nvidia will win in this series just like it was with 6000, 7000, 8000 and 200 series

 

[Ehsan w]

I thought Ati won when Nvidia was with the 7xxx Series,
im not sure though, cuz I wasn't into the whole computer thing at that time

 

[Guest]

no man you are wrong 7900gtx was faster than x1900xtx, how it can be a loss

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/353/10

 

[Ehsan w]

no man you are wrong 7900gtx was faster than x1900xtx, how it can be a loss

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/353/10

yeah, that looks about right...unfortunatly
Am I turning into an Ati fanboy?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

John_, maybe youre new to the gpu scene?
The 7 series was beaten by the 1900 series. It wasnt a huge win, but, overall, the 1900 series won out, except in a few TWIMTBP games, and even there it lost a few

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Also, this is somethig nVidia hasnt shown, and just only talked about.
Heres some reality nVidia has to beat
http://www.enet.com.cn/article/2009/0923/A20090923541550.shtml