GTX 1070 Prices Soar Alongside The 'Ethereum' Cryptocurrency

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At current difficulty & price you're looking at something like a $3-4 per day return mining Ethereum with a decent GPU. So if you drop $500 on a card now you'll have paid it off in 200 days or so. However that assumes the difficulty doesn't spike too much & the price stays high, both pretty big assumptions for 200 days in the cryptocurrency world!

Edit: Here's a simple calculator with the numbers for my R9 390 mining away in a machine: https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth?HashingPower=26&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=360&CostPerkWh=0.18
 
Meh... 1070's are going for a tad more than what they used to. That's nothing compared to AMD's higher tier latest consumer cards. An 8Gb or even 4Gb RX 480 or 580 costing as much as a 1080ti, is beyond ridiculous. But still, this is all meaningless.

Reading this article only makes me want to slap myself upside my own head for not buying or mining even a measly amount of bitcoin. Plenty of people out there who are likely stunned at the current price. "We never though it'd go anywhere"; "it was new, unproven", so forth so on." Smhid.
 
While mining etherium is still profitable at its current price. that is not why people are mining it. Alot of people mine with the expectation that it will keep going up in price.. let's say I mine 10 coins today at 0 profit... but 3 months later the value doubles. Easy 3k profit made.
If you were mining back in January you would have made about 6k per card profit by now.

Sadly while still profitable, new people are a bit late to the game. Get it while you can I guess. Sold off all my eth @380 right before the ico messed it up and it tanked. If planning on getting into it for profit plan on doing alot of news reading so you can dump it before issues occur.
 


And now let's consider the power requirements of that, keeping a high-end GPU at 100% 24/7, and if you're trying to keep your house cool in the summer, the heat that belches out isn't doing you any favors. It doesn't take much for a high-powered PC to cost you most of that $3-4 per day on your electric bill. Not to mention the cost of the rest of the PC.

If you want to generate $3-4 a day, just get your grandmother to teach you how to clip coupons.
 
I'm averaging 5 USD per day (mining 24 hours per day with NiceHash). I've estimated power costs to be 0.50 CAD per day, max. I wouldn't sink a bunch of money into a dedicated mining rig, but I already had an RX 480 powered PC that I basically only use for browsing these days, so it seems like a decent idea to make a bit of money on the side with it.
 
Being a late night owl i often check up on microcenter to see if they get open box video cards on sale. A couple weeks ago I went on to their website and found an evga ftw 1070 for $309 after rebate, a PNY 1070 OC for $259, and a 1070 Zotac amp extreme for freaking $199. They tried to discourage me from purchasing 3 1070s but I told them that the limit was probably for the same model unit and then they shut up lol. Kept the EVGA for myself 😀
 

Well, now you have an excuse to buy a higher-end model (if you can manage it).

I have a similar problem at my job, where we're just now looking at GPUs for certain purposes.
 


I know I didn't explicitly state it, but that is $3-4 per day profit i.e. after power costs are deducted (as explained in the calculator I linked). I totally agree that building an entire PC to mine casually with 1 GPU is silly (just buy and hold some Ethereum or whatever instead), however if you've got a PC there that you can just start mining with then why the hell not!
I take your point about heat, you have to decide whether having a 300-500W heater on permanently is going to be a problem, for me it isn't. That said, 300-500W isn't that much heat actually, and if your PC is in a room that you aren't in, or a large room where the heat can radiate away easily then you'll likely not feel it.
 


OTOH, govts. can print money to devalue the currency (and meanwhile, with low interest rates, one's savings devalue by several percent p.a.), or simply swipe cash out of accounts if they want to (as happened in Cyprus), hence why the EU wants all member states to switch to cashless economies asap. They can't do that sort of thievery with a cryptocurrency, which is why govts. don't like them. However, I wouldn't put my trust in a c.c. that's just come out of nowhere. I'd rather invest in tangible stuff that retains value.





It seems one can say the same about what the Fed is, what it does, why, where it came from and who controls it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsqGR31zoVA





8D Dream on.





Also helps to understand the history of such an organisation and hence why it very definitely is not independent. It certainly doesn't operate policy in the interests of the American people. If it did, the US would be in a much better state than it is atm, without the Chimerica dependency, enormous public debt (chalk that one up to Obama), huge number of people out of the labour pool entirely, etc.


As for the GPU price spike, let the market do what it does best. If people looking for a GPU decide current 1070 pricing is too high, then don't buy them, look for a 1080 instead, or something 2nd-hand, etc.

Irony is of course, eventually the usefulness of 1070s for mining this c.c. will fade and finally drop off, and when that happens they'll get dumped on the used market, so those delaying now can snap them up. :)

Ian.

 
For some reason this sounds a lot like a pyramid fraud. Those who start "new" money will benefits of those who came later to plow the balloon... Maybe I am too old for this stuff...
 
Well in a way I'd like to thank the cryptominers for pushing me to upgrade to a 1080 over a 1070 now. I was on the fence about it anyway seriously pondering if the former $150 price premium was worth it. Now since they are only about $30-$50 apart, that's a no-brainer. I hope their currency crashes and they lose their butts!

Another option: go with a refurb on NewEgg. Currently they are out of stock, but they had many EVGA 1070 FTWs for $370. EVGA is about the only company I'd trust for a factory refurbished GPU.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487327&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=36&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&ignorebbr=1&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

 


Frankly, I don't see the point. If it demands so much research, attention, and luck to make a decent profit, just play the stock market. It's just as big a gamble, but in the end, you get an actual currency you can take to the bank and, y'know, buy a vacation or a car or a house with.
 

Nooo...

The reason they want members to go cashless (and this is cash as in coins and paper bills) is because cash is almost exclusively used by criminals as well as by workers in the informal economy to dodge taxes. They are not advocating for members to switch to cryptocurrencies, which (potentially) aren't much better than cash, in these ways. What they want is for people to electronic payments, like credit cards, debit cards, phone-based payments, etc.

And I think the situation with Cyprus had largely to do with foreigners placing assets in Cypriot banks, BTW.



Thanks for illustrating my point. Like I said:

Economic policy is a fairly deep subject and the mechanisms of currency control are complex enough that it's easy to misunderstand or for conspiracy nuts to misinterpret or misrepresent. Don't believe everything you read on the internet (or see on Youtube). That's really all I can say.


About as independent as you can get, really. Like the US Supreme Court, the board of governors is nominated by the Executive and confirmed by Congress. It's not secret - it's a public institution. The act establishing it set forth its mandate: maximizing employment, stabilizing prices, and moderating long-term interest rates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System


Wow. Just what won't you blame on the Federal Reserve? They have very few tools in their toolbox (basically just monetary policy) and that only gets you so far. They're basically just a reactive body.

You can debate the merits of their mandate, and you can debate whether their policies and decisions have optimally fulfilled it, but Congress are the ones running up the federal debt and making the vast majority of economic policy. And even trade agreements like NAFTA and TPP have to be ratified by Congress.

A lot of crackpots like to blame the Federal Reserve for just about anything, because it seems mysterious and removed. The antidote is simply to educate yourself about what it actually is and does, and look to respected economists for discussions about their policies, rather than people who'll say anything to further their political agenda.

Nutters often like to rail against "unelected judges" and "unelected bureaucrats", when our campaign finance system has effectively made the elected politicians the most corrupt ones. I suspect that's actually what bothers many of them - that more of government can't be bent to serve the will of their paymasters.


The problem is that supply is fairly inelastic. I'd imagine the fabs used to make them are fairly backlogged, so increase in production of the GPUs probably can't happen right away. Furthermore, if I were AMD or Nvidia, I would probably try to move up production I was planning for later in the year, but wouldn't necessarily increase production totals by much. If the craze dies down, they don't want to suddenly be stuck with more inventory than they can sell before the next generation of GPUs arrives.


Of course, that'll further dampen demand for new ones, so a double-whammy if excess GPUs would be produced now. But my other thought is that I don't know how much I'd trust a GPU that's been burning away in a mining rig. At the very least, its fan might need to be replaced.
 

It's like a pyramid scheme in that the ones who got in first stand to make the most money. But if prices hold up, like in a real currency or an asset like gold, then it's not necessarily a bad investment (whereas a true pyramid scheme would be a horrible investment). But therein lies the bet - that any given cryptocurrency has enough of a future not to be too risky.

I invested in Bitcoin, a few years back, but their refusal to keep increasing the packet size meant that it couldn't scale up to the level of a proper currency. And as an asset with no fundamental value, I got out. I could've made much more, had I stayed in, but it would've been a blind gamble and that's more risk than I was willing to take on with any significant chunk of my savings.

The obvious appeal of cryptocurrencies is that their newness means the value is growing by astounding amounts. If you'd simply bought Bitcoin, Etherium, or Litecoin 1 year ago, you'd have made: 2.9x, 19.7x, or 9.5x returns right now. And due to the level of volatility, an active trader could potentially make much more. Try that, in the stock market.
 

Where has Tom's Hardware been? I was surprised to see they finally made a post about Etherium mining driving up the cost of video cards, and then they post backwards information like this. If anything, the prices of AMD's cards rose significantly more than Nvidia's, only that happened a month ago, and they've been completely out of stock at practically all retailers for weeks. The prices you see in online retailers can be considered imaginary if they don't actually have any of the cards to sell.

Have a look at the 'Buy it Now' prices on eBay for a better representation of what these cards are actually selling for. 8GB RX 580s are all priced upward of $450 there. Even year-old, used, 4GB RX 470s are all priced over $330. AMD's cards roughly doubled in price, which is a far greater increase than what Nvidia's have seen so far. That's because AMD's were found to be more efficient at cryptocurrency mining, and at least near their original prices, offered a better return on investment. Only now that the supply of Radeons has dried up are people turning to alternatives from Nvidia, and we're starting to see an effect on the cost of those cards as well.
 


They've talked about it previously. This post is just about the price spike spilling over onto the 1070 cards.
 


I'm pretty sure they haven't written an article about the shortage until now. If you can find one, feel free to link to it.
 

I agree with @cryoburner. I haven't seen any article about it. If we're wrong, post a link.
 
Fuck these guys. I've never been so turned off by PC building. The one time I'm finally in the zone to start my gaming rig and this crap happens. Mining and go burn in hell. I hope these people get their just deserts because driving up an electric bill for pitiful profit is not an investment, it's a WASTE OF TIME.
 
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