Gtx 670 vs 7970 with latest drivers.

[Chad11491]

I know this question has been asked alot, but it seems that all the benchmarks with AMD's latest drivers and few with Nvidia's latest (310.6 / 310.7) .

My question is this. I have a 560 ti, and I'm looking at upgrading after Christmas. I was wondering what the performance difference is now that Nvidia has rolled out a new driver to combat AMD's 12.11 betas.

Anyone with a 670 on latest drivers compare their performance to the 7970 (non ghz) after the 310.7 drivers?

I only game at 1920*1080p , but I want to futureproof for at least a year, maybe two.

I'm pretty hesitant going with AMD as i've always been team green, and physx and all that (although it's pretty much only in batman and borderlands at this point, and hawken?) . Are AMD's drivers generally bad? and what is you guys recommendations?

I'm sorry to ask ANOTHER thread on this, but I haven't noticed any up to date comparisons or benches in my searches.

Thanks all!

 

[simmons33]

To get back on topic, If you want to futureproof. Depending on budget I recommend either 660, 660ti , or 670. All of which can be used in SLI later on and offer amazing performance at this present time.

 

[RussK1]

It didn't fry all cards and Nvidia did tell their partners to replace any cards that were damaged which is a darn sight more than ATI/AMD have ever done when their drivers cause problems that render their cards next to useless.

Knew I'd get ya!

That is an awesome avatar, RussK1

thanks...

Seriously though, I'd go with the 7970 and not because of a few frames here or there. Rather, it's a compute monster. Something to be considered if professional work needs to be done but can't afford a professional card. ie: 3Ds Max, 4DS, Gimp, Solidworks, CS6, Inventor, Maya, etc... AMD also gives more support for OpenGL/OpenCL than nVidia.

 

[bigshootr8]

oye the cuda versus opencl support. The reason nvidia doesn't do it nearly as much is because it uses cuda as its compute technology and from the graphic artist I talked to nvidia cards provide him more computing tools then a amd firepro does for him.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Knew I'd get ya!

That is an awesome avatar, RussK1

thanks...

Seriously though, I'd go with the 7970 and not because of a few frames here or there. Rather, it's a compute monster. Something to be considered if professional work needs to be done but can't afford a professional card. ie: 3Ds Max, 4DS, Gimp, Solidworks, CS6, Inventor, Maya, etc... AMD also gives more support for OpenGL/OpenCL than nVidia.

But they are still next to useless when it comes to F@H. 😗

 

[Guest]

(typical "i don't know what to say mantra)

games?

resolution?

budget?

color of underwear?

 

[Mousemonkey]

(typical "i don't know what to say mantra)

games?

resolution?

budget?

color of underwear?

Socks, it's the colour of the socks that matters, underwear only comes into the equation if the stains are so heavy that they cause sagging in the trouser department!

 

[bigshootr8]

And now we know what monkey does on his free time haha!

 

[sam_p_lay]

Socks, it's the colour of the socks that matters, underwear only comes into the equation if the stains are so heavy that they cause sagging in the trouser department!

Look - socks and underwear are both great (everything is great). It just depends on your usage and what's important to YOU.

YMMV.

 

[Guest]

Socks, it's the colour of the socks that matters, underwear only comes into the equation if the stains are so heavy that they cause sagging in the trouser department!

proof please.

 

[simmons33]

This has just become worthy of a sticky =p

 

[bigshootr8]

pics or no dice

 

[sam_p_lay]

PEBKAC?

What about the Tech Report review:

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited

When the GTX660 Ti outputs such consistently smooth performance, what's a GTX670 / GTX680 gonna do?

 

[RussK1]

oye the cuda versus opencl support. The reason nvidia doesn't do it nearly as much is because it uses cuda as its compute technology and from the graphic artist I talked to nvidia cards provide him more computing tools then a amd firepro does for him.

The 7xxx series cards absolutely man-handle Kepler in Double Precision Floating Point... even the Previous Fermi cards do... this is no secret. Ask a Folder, a BOINCian, a Bitcoin miner, etc whether or not they would use Kepler?

Kepler GPGPU performance

Sandra 2012 GPGPU benchmark see Radeon HD7970 (4230) being 40% faster than GTX 680 (3000). And the Radeon 7870 doing same score! If you go Double-Precision, HD7870 is 20% faster than GTX 680 and HD7970 is 5.4X faster!

Same problem with LuxMark GPU, where GTX690 scored 284 and HD7970 784, 3.4X faster! Not having same scene on HD7870 we don’t know it’s score, but guess it should also beat the GTX 680!

AMD decided to unleash the full power in DP for Radeon HD 79xx, with a 1:4 ratio on DP:SP, to focus more on SP performance on HD 78xx with 1:8 ratio, and kept the DP units on the HD77xx while offering a 1:16 ratio gthat is enough to validate or debug OpenCL DP software but not to offer HPC. nVidia on the other side limited it’s flagship GTX680 to a 1:16 ratio, to offer expensive Tesla unit for DP GPGPU computation.

http://parallelis.com/kepler-underperform-on-gpgpu-gtx680/

 

[Mousemonkey]

proof please.

pics or no dice

I tried to post pictures but the forum software would not allow it, sorry about that.

 

[RussK1]

Socks, it's the colour of the socks that matters, underwear only comes into the equation if the stains are so heavy that they cause sagging in the trouser department!

What if one doesn't wear skivies?

 

[Mousemonkey]

What if one doesn't wear skivies?

Going commando would remove you from the equation but there is still the question mark over the socks.

 

[sam_p_lay]

Just for anyone who's wondering what the hell RussK1 is talking about with all the double precision compute stuff... absolutely nothing to do with gaming 🙂 If you don't know what he means then it probably doesn't affect you. For mad scientists and stuff (whoever uses all that stuff), I'll just assume it's good advice.

 

[bigshootr8]

I'm not disputing its computing power the AMD cards what I'm disputing however is that this professional that I talked to felt that he gets more from NV cards in Adobe programs. Sure the 600 series isn't as good as the 500 series in direct computing but that doesn't mean it still doesn't have an advantage of cuda processing. And besides any professional who is doing this for a living isn't sitting around playing BF3 while rendering QUADRO or go home says the professional not me him.

 

[RussK1]

Going commando would remove you from the equation but there is still the question mark over the socks.

I like white, colored socks make my feet stink. 😱

 

[bigshootr8]

I tried to post pictures but the forum software would not allow it, sorry about that.

rats I guess I should of dvrd the tube sock special with monkeys haha (on national geo)

 

[RussK1]

Just for anyone who's wondering what the hell RussK1 is talking about with all the double precision compute stuff... absolutely nothing to do with gaming 🙂 If you don't know what he means then it probably doesn't affect you. For mad scientists and stuff (whoever uses all that stuff), I'll just assume it's good advice.

I can name a lot of members who do the above aforementioned things and game. Reason why MM "probably" (forgive me if I'm wrong) still uses his 560ti's for F@H and not Kepler and uses the 660ti for his gaming needs. Sure the 670/680 are good cards for gaming but fall short everywhere else.

And it does have something to do with gaming...

Finally, that situation is changing. A growing roster of games now implements DirectCompute. We're testing four of them in this piece: Battlefield 3, DiRT 3, Civilization 5, and of course, Metro 2033. Unlike most of the game testing we do at Tom’s Hardware, our focus here is not on raw system or component performance. Yes, this is another piece AMD helped us put together with technical insight and help talking to developers, so we're looking at the company's APUs and comparing them to discrete graphics. But there is more to this story than frame rate impact. It’s about enabling techniques for achieving realism that were previously infeasible in the days before GPU-based compute assistance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/directcompute-opencl-gpu-acceleration,3146.html

 

[Mousemonkey]

I can name a lot of members who do the above aforementioned things and game. Reason why MM "probably" (forgive me if I'm wrong) still uses his 560ti's for F@H and not Kepler and uses the 660ti for his gaming needs. Sure the 670/680 are good cards for gaming but fall short everywhere else.

And it does have something to do with gaming...

Finally, that situation is changing. A growing roster of games now implements DirectCompute. We're testing four of them in this piece: Battlefield 3, DiRT 3, Civilization 5, and of course, Metro 2033. Unlike most of the game testing we do at Tom’s Hardware, our focus here is not on raw system or component performance. Yes, this is another piece AMD helped us put together with technical insight and help talking to developers, so we're looking at the company's APUs and comparing them to discrete graphics. But there is more to this story than frame rate impact. It’s about enabling techniques for achieving realism that were previously infeasible in the days before GPU-based compute assistance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/directcompute-opencl-gpu-acceleration,3146.html

Oh the Kepler's are folding as well!

 

[bigshootr8]

I've heard whispers of F@H what is that exactly.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I've heard whispers of F@H what is that exactly.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/268010-28-folding-home-thgc-team-40051

 

[RussK1]

Oh the Kepler's are folding as well!

That would be a good test. Turn off smp and just use gpu. Compare 560 ti to 660 ti ppd. (depends on the WU obviously).