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Whew! Finally made it to page 16 and have been taking an informal survey of Fermi fans and non-Fermi fans (non-believers, skeptics, infidels, oh the faithless).

So far, 80 percent non-believers. Hooray for ATI!
 
The tessellation performance may make them believers when the games start punishing the 5xxx series.
If nV had an all around cooler and more efficient GPU with the GF100's they'd have more support. It's a good time for ATI but as gamers we shouldn't want nV to suffer. 😛
 


Hooray for the 60% resoanble people in the thread, 20% ATI fanbys, and the 20% NV fanboys!
 

Yeah but why stop at the excessive gate leakage and why not talk also about a GTX 480 having full 512 cores instead of being crippled at the start. 😀
 


Question:
I read quite a few people on quite a few sites pointing this out but none of them seem to know which relevant applications will be affected by this.
Anyone here can shed some light on what would be a real-life consumer application that would be inhibited by this?
I mean, if it'll ruin the acceleration under cs5 or badaboom and have negative consequence on gaming performance, I'm inclined to agree it's a bit disappointing but from what I've seen, neither of those are the case and the ones who need to shell out for the compute boards are the ones who run week long chip design validations or massive all-nighter models under simulink who'll want the ECC that geforce boards don't have enabled anyway. So either this is being blown way out of proportions or I'm missing something here...
What's the consequence of the DP performance for the rest of us?
 


Yu would need to Downclock Fermi to like 5450 speeds to ge it to 160W 😍 :na: :bounce: 😱 😱 😱 :lol: 😴
 


well ati it took 6 months later, but since nv delayed do much hopefully it's soon. I would love see how they are, they will prob be beasts.
 


They need some "default water cooling" with that one....and a rebate on PSUs 😉
 
They need some "default water cooling" with that one....and a rebate on PSUs 😉
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Was that the problem with you and your 5970 ? Got in over your head did you ?
Most who can afford these things research the requirements and specs and build the rig accordingly.
 
Theres j0kes and theres trolling, you wouldn't know, trolling is all you do. Lost all respect for you , a while ago. So your comments are lol. edit: If you have a problem with my posts, use the report button. Like I have done with your posts ALOT. But almost exclusively it tells me that post has already been reported. Like your latest troll in the contest thread. How bizarre is that ? You lash out with Jealousy about a kid not working , after he enters a contest ? Mad.
 
notty I really dont get why you dont accept the fact that Fermi has high TDP lol Its NOT called trolling , its called Reality. And for the fun facts about how bad Fermi oc ability on Air is:

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-11989-view-Gigabyte-GV-R587SO-1GD.html

Gigabyte 5870 SuperClocked 1Ghz/1300Mhz Default and 13C cooler than reference! Expect that to match or even surpass the 480 while Still using less watts and being Much more cooler.

Thats why efficiency is important.

If I had water,which most people dont, and $ provided, Sure the 480 SLI will be mine and will OC the hell out of them 😀
 
notty I really dont get why you dont accept the fact that Fermi has high TDP lol Its NOT called trolling , its called Reality. And for the fun facts about how bad Fermi oc ability on Air is:

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-11989-view-Gigabyte-GV-R587SO-1GD.html

Gigabyte 5870 SuperClocked 1Ghz/1300Mhz Default and 13C cooler than reference! Expect that to match or even surpass the 480 while Still using less watts and being Much more cooler.

Thats why efficiency is important.

If I had water,which most people dont, and $ provided, Sure the 480 SLI will be mine and will OC the hell out of them 😀
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That card is heavily overvolted FYI, not at default.

I'm not disagreeing with you though, this seems like an argument that I want no part of.
 


.... P = I x E ... I see nothing exponential about that.

And also, even if the OMG wtf bbq super clock 5870 you linked earlier (I forgot who made it, Gigabyte?) beats a 480, ASUS will probably make a omg wtf bbq super overclocked 480 with nonreference cooling.

I'm not saying the 480 will overclock as well as a 5870, I'm just saying you can't really compare a super overclocked non-ref card to a stock ref card. You can compare a superomgwtfbbq non-ref card to another superomgwtfbbq non-ref card.

Until ATI comes out with a new card, the 480 will still probably remain the fastest single card. I don't think it is the best choice however for your money, but that is just me. Someone else might feel differently. Right now the 480 is a waste of money imo.

The thing is though, you pay extra for it for better tesselation and a bit better performance, so that isn't totally unfair. I think if the 480 was like 40-50 bucks less it would be a good deal. The 470 I think is a good deal right now.

All you really have to ask yourself when looking at a Fermi card is this: 1) Do you care about them being hotter and maybe spending an extra $75ish on cooling? and 2) Do you find DX11 and tesselation performance very important to you?

If you answered no and yes respectively... then a 400 series card would be a great choice, if you answered yes and no, well then go buy a 5800 series card obviously 😛

People in this thread need to just understand that different people value different things in their purchase, they don't HAVE to agree with you Shadow, or bob, or notty 😛

People also have to remember that this is an INFORMATIONAL thread for the 480/470!! Stop linking info on ATI cards to show your love for them unless they are being compared to a 480/470, and stop bickering over what each of you would buy 😛
 
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?&m=286109&mpage=1

EVGA user with a retail GTX 470.

Currently my maximum stable OC is as follows:

Core: 747 Mhz
Shader: 1494 MHz
Memory: 1894 Mhz
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Summary:

The OP also states that his temps on the 470 never go above 70 Celsius, but he manually set his fan to 100%. Later on he says at 100% the GTX 470 isn't much louder than his case fans and a little louder than his older 260's at 100% fan speed.

With fans on auto, he says the card usually stays around 90 Celsius under load, and the fan ramps up before it heads to 90.

So his OC is power limited not temp limited from the info supplied.
 


So exactly what I expected, 100% fan speed and 70C is hilarious. Thats a very low OC btw 140Mhz OC on a 470? A 5850 does 300Mhz OC. The Gigabyte I linked is -13C Cooler than reference and is actually Cooler than a Stock 470, not counting a 480. He says 100% is Not louder than his case?? Wow he must be using some headphones lol or what type of fans are in his case :??:

The good thing with the 5xxx series is that all of them will do at least 950 and most will do 1Ghz on different voltage, some 1.26v like my old 5970 and I think* the 850@1.12v ones are the same cherry picked for the 5970s, some 1.35v.

And his 100% fan and 70C is Furemark? 5850 @ 1Ghz/1.3Ghz 1.35v is 72C Fan 50% in Furmark. Games <67C highest Iv seen with Crysis.

Note: I really dont see how he is power limited He is running a 1.2Kw PSU 😱

Edit: His temps with 100% Fan and 70C are on 3DMark only, Heaven/Crysis will even heat the card more and Furmark would make it break 85C on 100% Fan I guess.

LoL read through posts and a Guy will post a pic of 5850OC Vs 470 OC ( 21K Vs 14K) and every one started harassing him lol
 
wall of text 😛 (I read it just don't want to requote it all)
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Just linked it for informational purposes. It just proves to me that a 470 can OC fairly well, and temperature isn't as huge as a problem as people originally suspected. I'm not trying to prove that a 470 will OC better than a 5850 😛

I figure if you have a case worth its salt you could probably go a bit higher than 140MHz, maybe close to 200MHz+ and lower the fan to 70% or even just auto it and still stay under 90 with some overvolting.

Just guessing until I get a pair to try benching.

As for being power limited, it doesn't matter how big the power supply is, the 470 only has so much access to power through its connectors, I believe it only has two 6-pins no? so my point is, if you really want to OC on air, temps aren't really an issue, how much power you can pump into the 470 would be more of an issue than temps.

And the OP says his fan is at 100% and 70 Celsius and never changes that statement for any of the tests, so I was just guessing he was making a blanket statement for all the tests. As for his fan cases, maybe he has a lot of em? Some people just care about noise less than others, like me for example 😛 My case is already at like 60dB from just case fans 'cause I crammed like 14 fans into the case to get some mad airflow going (and I compacted my water loop in there 😛). So I could probably put the 470 fan to 90% and hear no difference either.

And stop comparing non ref cards to ref cards when talking about OCing potential 😛

Compare a nonref supercooled/Oc'd 470 to your non ref gigabyte 5850 and THEN get back to me hehe.

And people were only hating on the dude that posted the 5850 stats because the thread wasnt about comparing them, it was the OP giving info on his card that the dude that posted the 5850 stats was purely doing it just to piss on the OP's parade, so he got sarcasm back. Why can't we all just be happy with the purchases of one another? >.<
 
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