GTX480 / GTX470 Reviews and Discussion

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

410(the cheapest i found a 5870 to be going for out of 3 on-line retailers for the US) dollar vs 499 dollars(MSRP of a GTX 480) = 150 buck diff amazing math yo

So $105, the cheapest HD5870 at newegg is $394.99 maybe he transposed his 0 and 5.

BTW, your analogy is pretty bad, the Corvette doesn't perform the same as a Ferrari, it may get near the same track time, but it doesn't perform anywhere near the same. 😛

I love the vette (prefer the Viper) but really they are different beasts than the Ferraris on the road and on the track.

 

[steddy]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130549&cm_re=gtx_470-_-14-130-549-_-Product
Superclocked GTX 470 is supposedly in stock on newegg.

 

[RealityRush]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130549&cm_re=gtx_470-_-14-130-549-_-Product
Superclocked GTX 470 is supposedly in stock on newegg.

Probably another glitch.

 

[IzzyCraft]

So $105, the cheapest HD5870 at newegg is $394.99 maybe he transposed his 0 and 5.

BTW, your analogy is pretty bad, the Corvette doesn't perform the same as a Ferrari, it may get near the same track time, but it doesn't perform anywhere near the same. 😛

I love the vette (prefer the Viper) but really they are different beasts than the Ferraris on the road and on the track.

Yeah but coming up with analogies are hard! Very few products and things just have a performance and cost variable so easily measured aganist one another like computer parts do. Minus little features such as phsyx and bit streaming would have nothing except how well they perform in games and how much they cost. Unless i expand the analogy to like a Viper which will be our fermi, clunky, powerful, and likes to consume alot of power to something something ahh my head is starting to hurt...

Oh lol i didn't count the out of stock one for the 394.99 only fair considering fermi is all out of stock one would guess.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

The 5850 was 260.00$ back when it came out, say bye to that price because it aint comming back 😉

And that's the thing, I don't think that MSRP will last more than that first batch, just like the HD5K. Within a week once they can say 'we launched at...' then the e-tailers will be set free to price what they want/need.

With the shortages the way they are I doubt the $499 price will last for actual stock, although they can put the $499 'out of stock' prices up forever.

 

[IzzyCraft]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130549&cm_re=gtx_470-_-14-130-549-_-Product
Superclocked GTX 470 is supposedly in stock on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106793413&name=GeForce%20GTX%20400%20series
It's not the only one glitched you can also see the 480 ssc is available although you can't add that one to the cart.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Yep car analogies are hard, but seems to be the norm around here for sure. 😉

Oh lol i didn't count the out of stock one for the 394.99 only fair considering fermi is all out of stock one would guess.

Yeah that was my thinking, out of stock vs out of stock, seems fair to me.

The sad thing is I don't know if either company can really make enough cards to meet demand, and I'm sure they're both running flat out, so I wouldn't expect MSRP or less (from either company) anytime soon once that initial launch allocation is gone.

Anywhoo, back to golf.

 

[Guest]

No need for ATi price cuts as nVidia needs to put more pressure which is hard considering the high manufacturing price of Fermi cores while ATi can really low ball their cards.
nVidia is bidding on prices with TSMC I guess

 

[shadow187]

Well the HD4850 sold for $100 at a profit. Since the HD5K is double the HD4K, assume that ATI can sell it for $200 with double the profit made from the HD4K.

 

[builderbobftw]

Well, Even more.

Let's say AMD sold the chip for 60$ to bord parnters, and they made 10$, a 50$ cost.

With the 5850 (HYPHTOTICALY! NUMBERS NOT REASHERCHED!), lets say they made the chip for 50$, and sold it for 150$ to board partenrs. (Asus, Saphire etc),

They are making a 100$ profit instead of a 10$ Prefori, and a 1,000% Higher profit margin.

EDIT: A 50$ Profit from the 5830, a 5850 100$, and a 5870 200$.

(Since they all are the same chip, they have the same cost)

 

[notty22]

Well, Even more.

Let's say AMD sold the chip for 60$ to bord parnters, and they made 10$, a 50$ cost.

With the 5850 (HYPHTOTICALY! NUMBERS NOT REASHERCHED!), lets say they made the chip for 50$, and sold it for 150$ to board partenrs. (Asus, Saphire etc),

They are making a 100$ profit instead of a 10$ Prefori, and a 1,000% Higher profit margin.

EDIT: A 50$ Profit from the 5830, a 5850 100$, and a 5870 200$.

(Since they all are the same chip, they have the same cost)

Say what ? lol, thats a whole lot of guessonomics. By the way the 3 chips you mentioned don't cost the same. They have a finite number of chips that qualify to be a 5870 from the wafer, just like Nvidia with the GTX 480, only so many dies test good for 480 SP. There is a complex formula to figure out what ATI's cost is for each gpu based on yields from the wafer.
If they want to keep making 5870's but have no more full functioning chips, they need to manufacture a whole new wafer, hoping to sell all the lesser gpu's along the way.

 

[Guest]

Yes, of course they dont cost the same lmao more shaders = more $. I read long time at launch that 5870 core cost around 60$ to manufacture. ATis smaller die allows TSMC to fit a higher number of cores in a single wafer which significantly reduce costs.

 

[shadow187]

That's what I was thinking elie, though not with such optimistic numbers. Perhaps $130/$150.

I wish they'd make an HD5790.

 

[builderbobftw]

It's costs AMD the same amount to make a 5870 as a 5850 as a 5830.

They don't sell for the same, but the 5830/850 are just AMDs way of reducing lost income, and a celver one at that.

Chips that would have been scrapped, wasting money and time, are now turned into a psotive cash flow.

Hellofadiffrnce.

EDIT: AMD isn't trying oto make any 5850/30s. (They are accidents, kind of like you (jk))

They are 5870s that didn't cut it, and are sold at a discount after clocks are lowered and shaders disablled.

 

[OvrClkr]

What you mean the price ain't coming back? Wasn't the HD4850 $200?

I meant at this moment, eventually they will drop in price.

The card won't go for MSRP, the same way the 5850 isn't 260$ right now.

The reason the 5850 is not at 260.00$ is because of demand and the fact that NV had nothing to counter with. So to say that the card won't go for MSRP is non-sense, especially when the 5850 is in the same bracket at a lower cost.

 

[notty22]

It's costs AMD the same amount to make a 5870 as a 5850 as a 5830.

They don't sell for the same, but the 5830/850 are just AMDs way of reducing lost income, and a celver one at that.

Chips that would have been scrapped, wasting money and time, are now turned into a psotive cash flow.

Hellofadiffrnce.

EDIT: AMD isn't trying oto make any 5850/30s. (They are accidents, kind of like you (jk))

They are 5870s that didn't cut it, and are sold at a discount after clocks are lowered and shaders disablled.

No they don't, you don't get it. Do some reading.

 

[builderbobftw]

Some of them alredy above MSRP.

GTX 470=400$ at soem (most/all not sold out) places.

 

[builderbobftw]

No they don't, you don't get it. Do some reading.

How is my statement errounous?

 

[-Fran-]

It does clearly look different although I wonder if most people would notice it.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20100405/infrared-pictures-of-the-geforce-gtx-480/

Also, has this been posted yet?

That's like the epeen of a lot of nVidia/Ati fanboys when the PR dudes post info about new cards, lol.

Anyway...

There's no way in hell the GTX400's are going to stay MSRP for too long. They'll sky rocket in price faster than we all think. That's my bet.

And when does nVidia releases the new Quadro series? I wanna see some numbers in that area :O

Cheers!

 

[OvrClkr]

Some of them alredy above MSRP.

GTX 470=400$ at soem (most/all not sold out) places.

Correct but that is because they CAN 😉 , there is demand therefore prices will rise, especially when they go "out of stock" and the first 10,000 units go kaPooF!! 😱

Today there was an EVGA 470 that sold for 550.00$$ on e-bay

That means the seller made 200.00$ in less than 2 days

Examples:

You have 3 choices right now, either pre-order and wait MSRP (amazon) / Buy instantaneously at e-bay for at least 100.00$ more / wait till Monday to see if they are in stock MSRP (newegg)

 

[Guest]

Thats what happened with the 5970 at launch, on ebay, it would reach 1K-1.2K$

Time is everything's solution.

 

[Guest]

5850/5830 are basically failed 5870 cores with disabled non-working shaders, now depending on the non-working shaders number, you can name it 5830-5850...

 

[RealityRush]

It's costs AMD the same amount to make a 5870 as a 5850 as a 5830.

They don't sell for the same, but the 5830/850 are just AMDs way of reducing lost income, and a celver one at that.

Chips that would have been scrapped, wasting money and time, are now turned into a psotive cash flow.

Hellofadiffrnce.

EDIT: AMD isn't trying oto make any 5850/30s. (They are accidents, kind of like you (jk))

They are 5870s that didn't cut it, and are sold at a discount after clocks are lowered and shaders disablled.

Uhhhh, I'm pretty sure that ATI/nVidia have deals with their chip manufacturers that they get a discount based on the percentage of faulty chips and the yields, etc. So the 5850/5830/470 chips do NOT cost the same as a 5870 or 480. Correct me if I'm wrong TGGA.

 

[Thunder_40]

The temps/power consumption on fermi cards is really too high.

But The image quality of those fermi cards is really good.

Actual game performance does not depends on number of fps.But it depends on the image quality.

The good the quality of image is.so..so there is more fun in playing games.

Tesselation offers 3-d vertex compute..which is really good feature..

But it is true that fermi cards are not efficient in terms of temps/power/sound

 

[shadow187]

Image quality? FPS is affected by how good the image quality is. Less FPS usually means better image quality.