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IMO the 768MB version is much weaker than the 1Gb version, i don't see how someone would even consider the 768Mb version when the 1Gb version is 20 dollars more. Something is not right, marketing-wise =)
 


So you're thinking that two of these will compete with the Fermi 2 ? :heink:
It barely beats a GTX480 now.

Neither the positioning nor the performance puts it in the G92 class.

 



You where talking about how 2 x 8800GT's perform like a GTX280 for less money and I said something along the lines of 2 x HD5850's performing like a HD5970 for less money.

It was just another example of what you where talking about, So it was something to do with the current conversation....
 


TH took that angle, others, Hocp Tech power up, see it as a 7% difference between cards. With all the the o/c potential, some pointing to the 'smaller' card having even more its almost a wash? If you wanted to buy today, you would have to justify the 768 card :) . Eventually the price might go lower ?
Nvidia is added a new angle to the , do I need more memory on this card debate by naming both versions GTX 460
The bus, and rop's missing show themselves under certain settings/resolutions. A reviewer could hide those weaknesses or highlight them, imho.
 
Top Dog competition ?
The results from this sli 460 review .
If the gtx 460 gets that extra cluster, and a voltage/core speed bump, its competition for the 5970. This is the closest workable scenario that I've seen from my stand point.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_460_SLI/25.html
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Typo or not the guys over at Guru3D don't seem to be getting huge differences between the two even though the numbers favour the 1GB card it really isn't enough to warrant any kind of fanfare over the extra memory, the only card that really sticks out is the one from one of our friendly sponsors.
 

What!! Who said anything about Fermi 2? :heink:


When I bought my 8800GT's they were £186 each and the fastest single GPU card from Nvidia at the time was the GTX280 which was around £400, these 460's are £152 and a GTX480 is around £370 and, depending on the game, when SLi'd they can hang with and sometimes beat a single 480. How is that not similar to when I bought my 8800GT's? :heink:
 


I agree but to say that the 768Mb version is faster than the 465 at stock clocks is kind of misleading when we already know what the 465 is capable of.

 


The GTX 280 was a next gen part.
So for the GTX 460's to truely be 8800GT's then 2 x GTX 460's need to rival a GTX 580/680.
 


That is very misleading. My problem with the 5770 is how it runs games. It fails to run a lot of games on high or max detail now, which makes it very hard to recommend if you consider the demands of future games. Simply put, I wouldn't be comfortable with 5770 performance in my rig, NOW, let alone in the future. The GTX 460 maxes most games for only $50 more and has the advantage of SLI scaling for the future, not to mention its better overclocking potential.

Of course this is my opinion and what I see as value. This is why that graph is misleading, we all have different opinions on value.
 


You are comparing "8800GT in SLi was able to run with and sometimes perform better than a single GTX280" the only possible parallel to that in this context is 2 x GTX460 running with a Fermi 2. Two of the previous generation matching/outperforming the next generation.

And once again comparing to what ended up as the GTX480 is comparing to a card that came nowhere near target, while the GF800GTX and GTX280 were much closer to the full thing even within the generation.

You can compare what you bought at a later date, but there was no GTX280 during the G92 launch, so either you're confusing the comparison or picking the wrong things to compare. :??:
 

I was comparing it in the here and now, just like when I stood in the shop a few years ago and looked at the shelves to see what would be the best thing to spend my money on, and if I were doing that today then the 460's in SLi would get my cash for the same reasons the 8800's did back then. Whether it will still be the same when the next gen turns up who knows but right now, today, if I were buying a pair of GTX460's I would have the same feeling as I did three and a half years ago when I bought my 8800GT's and that is for less money I would be getting similar or better performance than the current top of the range single GPU card. Now I'm sorry if my comparison is not the universally accepted one but guess what? I don't always accept the comparisons and criteria of others as being universal either.
 


Yeah don't let the unbiased objective stats get in your way. :pfff:

My problem with the 5770 is how it runs games. It fails to run a lot of games on high or max detail now, which makes it very hard to recommend if you consider the demands of future games.
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Same thing with the GTX460 768, and the limit of 1GB of memory on its brother. And even if you only look at highest settings, the HD5770 is still high up, further even;

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You can theorize the limit or lack thereof for future games, but it's unlikely that the GF104 will maintain anywhere near the level of prominence that the G92 did for 3 generations. So other than a sidebar to argue your perception of what is to be valued, even by the standard you brought up, your justification didn't hold true.

The graph isn't misleading, it just doesn't account for everything, but neither does the GTX460 768MB's frame-buffer, and RBE limitation which is anemic in anything build with a look towards the future. Both have their limitations and downfalls, but both are mid-range cards, one just FX5600/X700 class the other R9500/GF6600 class.
 
I'm not involving feelings, I do agree that the GTX 460 has very good value, but a logical comparision would be:
GF8000 series = x
Top-line GF8000 GPU (8800GTX/Ultra) = x sub 1
2nd GPU (8800GTS) = x sub 2
3rd GPU (8800GT) = x sub 3

When you said 2 GTX 460's was better than a GTX 480 you said:
(x sub 3)*2 > (x sub 1)

But the 8800GT vs GTX 280 could be represented as:
(x sub 3)*2 > (x sub 1) + 1
 

It's never been that complicated for me, I start with a wad of cash and look to see what I can get for it.
 
i wonder how much truth too that warmon, or more importantly if the final cards will have the sort of overclockability he is suggesting.

I'm still in a state of 'ill believe it when i see it' as to the dual gpu card. given the massive heat generated by a gtx480 im just not convinced it would be a healthy addition to any PC. but i'm sure as hell looking forward to seeing some performance numbers.
 


Yeah, cause people buying a 5770 or 460 are going to be running a 2560x1600 monitor... oh wait no they wont.

Look at the scores of the 460 vs the 5770 at 1900x1200 or 1680x1280, with 8xAA.

You're doing what you call everyone else out on, basing value of the card on your own personal criteria. If you look at the reviews across the board for the 5770 vs. the 460, the 460 is a better buy, in almost every situation. The fact that you can SLi two 460s and get almost a 5970, where's the 5770's in X-Fire can't boast that, is just icing on the cake for the 460. It uses a little bit more power, but it uses that little bit more power to belt out more performance and OC capabilities than the 5770 and is just as cool and quiet.

I love my 480s, I'm well aware that they perform the fastest at the heavy expense of the power hogging heat producing monsters that they are. I like the 5850's better and my old 5870s compared to my 480s, but I also love that they are fast as all hell so I'm keepin' em, heat don't bother me in a freezing basement, and to hell with my power bills.

That being said, the 460 is a powerful $200 card that is cool and quiet and nothing can compete with at or near its price range, especially the 5770. To quote Tom's Hardware, "GeForce GTX 460: The Fermi We Were Waiting For". That amazes me a bit as I've always found Tom's a little ATI biased, but I'm also a little bit nVidia biased, so that balances out I suppose.

Although, I will say that I agree that it isn't as amazing as the 8800's. Money/performance wise, they are, but in terms of impact on the graphics card scene and longevity, they definitely wont last the half a decade the 8800's did or as memorably.

I kind of want to sell my 2 480s for 3 460s though, really badly.... I'd get close to the same performance for a few hundred less and less heat 😛, I'm contemplating it hard.
 
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