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Thanks for the compliments, but I defer to Chris and Don around here, with their review they have pretty tight relationships with the IHVs so I'd put them a little more in the loop (I tend not to pressure my friends and they do the same for me on mobility) so they likely get a little free-er access.

Anywhoo, for another flip-side view of the situation and the future, Charlie wrote another article today, a little more pessimistic than I would see it, but he does support his theories so who knows. But take note about his pessimism of TSMC even hitting mid-2011 for 28nm which is the same thing I heard recently;

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/06/21/what-are-nvidias-gf104-gf106-and-gf108/

As always don't take it as the final word, but definitely something to think about based on his past record on this (which is a bit better than Fuad and Theo, but far from infallible) and he has cultivated good pro ATi/AMD contacts (who would love to leak ill will about nV), while Fuad and Theo are more the opposite nV-sided.
 


Im sorry, there a paperwork mishap at the ranking system and the problem is now being corrected. Sorry your going back to as a newcomer.

[:mousemonkey:5] JK.

Sorry, i couldn't pass that up. 😀
 


Still not quite 'news' but speculation, and I'm not as optimistic as to the notebook timeframe as Fuad is, as it's not usually a quick desktop->laptop situation for mobile as he seems to contend, especially trying to fit a high TDP chip into a laptop chassis, so I would expect those in the fall, not the Summer, unless he's calling September the summer now. The choice of chips is logical based on the AMD decision to put the HD5770 in their laptops, but what ever happened to that promised GTX480M?

BTW, funny how the title says "GTX260" could it be a rebrand? :evil:
 
SA can be a source of information. Some of his writers and even him get and send on some good tech news. Just his individual hate for Nvidia, work against his credibility, imo. He goes to far with his OPINION. With his broken, 10,000 units, hot, yes its hot BUT...
http://charliedemerjianisadouchebag.blogspot.com/
The other tech sites bias cannot compare to his own.
Anand has mentioned a gtx 480m review coming,
We should have the super heavyweight GTX 480M in for a review in the near future, but all of the mobile GPUs we've mentioned thus far command a hefty price premium. The Clevo W860CU starts at $1550 from AVADirect, while the new W880CU with GTX 480M starts at $2400 with 4GB RAM. http://www.anandtech.com/show/3766/msi-gx640-speedy-dx11-laptop
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http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_configurator.asp?prid=17560&ref=dynamitedata.com
 

Nothing, I cut and pasted another one I was looking at into there. I have updated it since.

It was to BSN's talking about the GTX480M, love how they say it's not a rebrand when it's a GTX465 calling itself a GTX480. [:thegreatgrapeape:5]
 


We still haven't seen 10,000 full 512SPU units, so maybe that was an over-estimation of how many they could get.
Considering FUDO and Theo said they would be full Fermis because nV told them so, makes him more credible, even if numbers may be off +/-.

http://charliedemerjianisadouchebag.blogspot.com/
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You ever look at that site, the kid doesn't even know what he's talking about, and when confronted with that evidence he deletes people's replies, funny how it was late, hot, crippled, and expensive, exactly as was said, but of course that Blogspotter couldn't admit even that.

The other tech sites bias cannot compare to his own.
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You may not see it because they aren't as overt, however Fuad and Theo are equally biased, although their statements have had a lower success rate, while Charlie may be 60%, they're running closer to 40%.

I would much rather know that Charlie has a hate on for nV, and with good reason after all of their attempts to ruin him because of Bumpgate (which turned out to be precisely that and is even know called the 'bump issue' in internal nV and HP documents), then for people to think Fuad and Theo are unbiased and not take the appropriate grain of salt with their statements and then parrot it as fact, not as something to simply generate discussion.
 
Charlie just sells his fanboy smut better then most. I remeber an article awhile back some where "who is Charlie?" something like that where all his predictions where being held accountable lol.
 
Charlie is clearly biased. He was pretty close on his predictions when it comes to Fermi, which were pretty pessimistic. That said, we all knew Fermi was not going to be as promised and it turned out about as well as it could have.

 
Charlie is right on an extraordinary amount of things though, such as fermi being unmanufacturable (speaking on the 512 version), his prediction on GF104, 106, and 108 being 1/4s of the GF100 (GF106 being 1/2, GF108 being 1/4), and then having shaders fused off to get better yields (336 shaders instead of..what was it? 380?), etc.
 


Who dismissed it?

More than anything people here saw it as an intentionally crippled part, not 336 max, likely something like 360 with a cluster disabled.

Charlie's statements did little to change that.

The new RBE specs change being posted elsewhere is the more interesting development which means it won't have the back-end shortcoming rumoured that would've been worrisome for a Fermi based design.
 
Of course, AMD are unlikely to be worried. The HD 5850 should still sail past the GTX 460. We might, finally, see the HD 5850 drop back to its original MSRP of $259. The HD 5830, however, looks to be comprehensively beaten, and must drop to around $200.

The GTX 465 looks set to be one of the shortest lived GPUs ever. A $279 price point made it a poor product on release, and now, the same performance level at $230 will put its existence in serious doubt.
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In short.

HD5850 beats GTX460.
HD5830 gets "Comprehensively Beaten" by GTX460.
GTX465 will be EOL because GTX460 offers "The same performance" for $230.

Since when did the GTX465 beat the HD5830 "Comprehensively." ?
 

I read the following post as a dismissal, maybe it was just the wording.


 
No, it was a dismissal of the number being the full core, it usually has to be a balanced cluster design so it would indicate a crippled 360, not a 336 part (similar to the G92), so 336 was not the full story, just a variant.

Like I said, it needs to be a crippled something or other it that is the number, and it's likely that it is.

We'll still need to see the cluster arrangement, but if it's the full transistor enabled part, then it's a weird unbalanced design.. and so is the back end if it doesn't vary from the 192bit to 256bit model.
 


Yeah it did actually, the HD5830 was a little too crippled, it really was in the same league as the GTX275, and even then sometimes lost, and it sometimes was in line with the HD5770 which it only marginally beat. The GTX465 did far more often than not beat the HD5830, but I'd need to see the test on the GTX460 to see if that translates, because there are very diminishing returns on certain parts of the GTX470 and 465 crippling, so it depends on how the GTX460 relates as to whether that advantage extends to it like it did to the GTX465.

The advantage that the HD5830 has over the GTX465 was price, and really, the HD5830 is already selling at and below the $200 point so it's not like it's a major hardship to do that.
 
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