Haswell: News, Rumors & Reviews

[sebastien]

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/08/haswell-is-a-graphics-monster/

There is a lot more to the story than the sheer shader counts, but suffice it to say, the performance floor for Haswell GT3 graphics is 5x what you have today. We have faith in the Intel hardware side, the chip has been back from the fab for months, and looks good. Sadly, we have a stronger faith that the software side won’t be cleaned up.

Look for Haswell GT3 to be the fastest integrated GPU hardware ever, just don’t look for it to work well

:lol:

Something I do not understand about IGPs is their actual purpose and the purpose of the race between the two giants.

I have a laptop with a intel I5-480M it has a intel HD graphic. I cannot say for sure which one. I have to allow (use only) the nvidia geforce GT425M if I want to play skyrim or Battlefield 3 or work on Max, maya etc... Therefore I do not understand what this HD graphic is for??? working on Photoshop maybe? adequate for VM splash screen display? but certainly not for graphic intensive display.

1) Shall we hope to see discreet graphic to work in combination with actual graphic card? Should we envision discreet graphic to overcome and obliterate the need and use of actual graphic cards?

I read the hoopla hoo benefits of future AMD and Intel discreet HD graphic, but in reality, what does it mean? what should we hope from these discreet chip? back to question (1).

2) If discreet HD would actually replace graphic card in the long run, would not this be really bad for the industry whereas a flock of high degree/smart/intelligent/ chip thinker people be on the loose without a job?

 

[mayankleoboy1]

Intel and their drivers.... They need to hire more AMD/Nvidia people.

AMD? DRIVERS?

 

[gamerk316]

performance floor for Haswell GT3 graphics is 5x what you have today

Major question: Are they comparing to other IGP's, or graphics cards in general?

 

[mayankleoboy1]

^ They are comparing to SB 3000 IGP

 

[esrever]

^ They are comparing to SB 3000 IGP

Im pretty sure they are comparing to the HD 2000.
HD 4000 = 2x HD 2000. Haswell = 2.5x HD 4000. So haswell = 5x HD 2000. I could be wrong tho.

 

[kikiking]

damn... i am having a hard time remembering z68 and z77's differences except native usb 3.0 support and optional thunderbolt support (according to some rumor i read before..). i don't really see any improvement over z68 in terms of features...
iirc a leaked roadmap was posted here, that had very detailed info on the ivb cpus and chipsets.

can you tell me which post had this linked roadmap for ivb cpu's and chipsets?

 

[de5_Roy]

Just sharing this with you guys:

NDA Desktop Platform Roadmap

Found it in another site posted by a users that have reputation.

iirc it was this one.

 

[kikiking]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/1821/gigabyte-g1-sniper-3-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1821/1/&h=380&w=550&sz=84&tbnid=tpEvQ_ZFgHju7M:&tbnh=92&tbnw=133&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dz77%2Bmotherboard%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=z77+motherboard&hl=en&usg=__KayjFyYUgzLP5iLQb-CwPF19CrQ=&sa=X&ei=cKwzT_vHOcPaggfphfX-AQ&ved=0CB4Q9QEwAw


did Asus have a showing like this yet?

 

[de5_Roy]

@kikiking: i don't remember.... i think i saw msi, gigabyte show off z77 motherboard.. and some chinese company earlier. if asus did showcase z77 motherboard, one or some of the ces-related article would have it.
but you've helped me understand something else with that link. thank you

 

[triny]

Being that current Intel igp offerings are as slow as possibly can be,I wouldn't get my expectations too high

 

[Chad Boga]

^ They are comparing to SB 3000 IGP

Im pretty sure they are comparing to the HD 2000.
HD 4000 = 2x HD 2000. Haswell = 2.5x HD 4000. So haswell = 5x HD 2000. I could be wrong tho.

Whilst we don't know if his claims will pan out or not, there is no doubt that in his article on Haswell's IGP, he is saying the 5x improvement, is over the SB HD3000 IGP

 

[4745454b]

Indeed.

lol.

 

[Ubrales]

have you noticed that some people talk just to hear themselves speak...
not really knowing fully what they are even talking about.

Carryover from the workplace!

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I am excited about IB, just wish I could get it. Got that new car now need to save money just in case me or my wife loses our jobs. No new PC for the foreseeable future.

Yeah, me too. I usually oc my Q6700 between 3.0 & 3.4 GHz since I'm still using an NV 680i chipset mobo which also apparently doesn't like SSD drives much, but since it's my legacy gaming computer I keep it with XP instead of Win7 anyway. Takes forever to boot up since I went with a WD 2GB cheap drive, as my striped Raptor setup died due to one of the drives crapping out after 5 years 😛.

My wife's niece arrived last Saturday from Vietnam to attend NOVA (Northern Virginia community college), so far I've spent about $5K on tuition, books and airfare. But I still have some $$ set aside for an IB build, maybe with just one high-end GPU instead of SLI however.

 

[g4114rd0]

Intel's latest roadmap has leaked!

http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-haswell-to-release-between-mar-jun-2013/14810.html

 

[triny]

Intel will have to scramble to improve igp
with the gains in performance of as much as 113% coming to the apu

 

[kikiking]

http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=36945

 

[kikiking]

Intel will have to scramble to improve igp
with the gains in performance of as much as 113% coming to the apu

Good luck to that, all I am going to say ^^.

 

[kikiking]

supposedly it would cost them an arm and a leg to catch up to pile driver and trinity apu's. This would give them the self worth that they can charge you 400+ for a haswell gen 3 or gen 4 i5/i7 core.

Then Amd would have won by lowering prices~!

 

[e56imfg]

Intel's latest roadmap has leaked!

http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-haswell-to-release-between-mar-jun-2013/14810.html

So basically Ivy Bridge will be a "Phenom 2" of Intel because Ivy Bridge is just an upgraded Sandy Bridge.

Haswell will be another re-run of Sandy Bridge in terms of performance gains from previous generations.

 

[4745454b]

IB is more or less a SB. I thought this was well known. On the CPU side it shouldn't be but a few % faster per clock. The big thing it adds from a CPU standpoint is PCIe 3.0. But other then that its supposed to be faster then SB.

The big changes are supposed to be on the GPU side. IBs GPU is supposed to be several times faster then SB. I think this was all covered earlier in the thread.

 

[kikiking]

I have an i5 build i have not used or say completed yet, just hover around using an old laptop.

By the time I do use it, I will want Ivy bridge. But then again I can go from i5 2500k > then sell and upgrade to i7-3770k or something like that, along to z77 chipset to utilize the full features when I am ready to upgrade correct?

Well, this is awesome ^^.

I am interested in the NFC feature of ivy bridge if ivy bridge will utilize this technology so will Haswell, correct?

Anyway the I5 build i have yet to start using is an I5 2500k, with a ocz vertex III max iops SSD, z68 gigabyte Mobo.

So I might as well upgrade to z77 and i7-3770k > and or haswell when I feel like it. Also I was begged by my parents to build them a pc build for their house in FL, so the next time I go down i guess i'll do just that, along with setting up an all in one printer set up down there.

So I assume it would best to stick z77 and i7 IVB in that pc down there for when anyone goes down. If I set an SSD in there I might make a secondary boot drive be a HDD and an SSD a cache so no one touches the normal SSD boot set up inside the PC, (IE nephews, and other people down there, etc, for when I go down there).

I do not want to go down there and see something in that thing dead or broken.. because of children, there is only one of my nephews that is not dumb and incompetent out of all of the new gen in my family.

 

[kikiking]

I have not utilized my 15 SB build and already interested in IVB/Haswell, and it is mainly Haswell.

 

[kikiking]

By now, we know much about Haswell, including detailed specifications, the graphics, and we have even seen a die shot. Like Ivy Bridge, Haswell will be fabbed at 22nm and appear in dual-core and quad-core variants. Unlike Ivy Bridge, Haswell will feature three graphics configurations - GT1, GT2 and GT3 and introduce a new socket - LGA 1150. It is also suggested that Haswell will bring the TDP for the top SKUs back to 95W, after the top Ivy Bridge i7 3770K ducks in at 77W. While the above roadmap is for desktops, we can expect Haswell for notebooks around Q2 2013 as well. Of course, Haswell is a long way away, and we have the small matter of an impending Ivy Bridge release in April.

Interestingly, Ivy Bridge-E is not mentioned on the roadmap, which covers till H1 2013. Thus, Sandy Bridge-E is likely to continue as the enthusiast platform, co-existing with Haswell for a while. This means before Sandy Bridge-E goes EOL, it would have complemented three different mainstream generations - Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge and Haswell.

Hmmm, what is up with IVY bridge-E?

 

[gamerk316]

supposedly it would cost them an arm and a leg to catch up to pile driver and trinity apu's. This would give them the self worth that they can charge you 400+ for a haswell gen 3 or gen 4 i5/i7 core.

Then Amd would have won by lowering prices~!

This isn't the pre-ATI purchase AMD anymore guys: They can't afford to significantly lower prices. In a price war, Intel bankrupts AMD, and they know it. Hence, we get competition on features, and not price. I'm not expecting any major price-drops except the ones we get as products start to become obsolete and are replaced.