Henri Richard explains why AMD failed to gain more marketshare

[fazers_on_stun]

Hmm, maybe Henri was loaded to the gills when he posted that nobody would buy AMD .

Just to get somewhat back on topic 😗 .

 

[Guest]

sweet wines primarilly? I like dry dark reds , preferably old vine or ancient vine. Sineaen from owens rowe in the willamette valley , cline makes a decent top end old vine. Thats why french wines are so good and spendy. I bought a 1/4 case of sineaen at 35 bux a pop. I drank all but 2 bottles. I do enjoy good wine. Cheap wine just for the antioxidants in rough times.

I love chianti and many italian reds. French whites I can stand but american whites generally are either too sweet or tanneny.Dont put sweet in my booze.

No, I only drink dry white wine. Red is like the rest of the foul drinks...I dunno it tastes too much like pure alcohol.

We have a numbering system in the UK from 1-7 (much like chem Ph 😛), 1 being dryest and 7 being sweetest. I don't think I've ever seen a wine above 5 however. Anyway I will pretty much only drink ones and two's, and they have to be vegetarian also (you have no idea what a chore finding those are btw 😛).

 

[randomizer]

I drink vanilla essence.

 

[Chad Boga]

How Intel helped build their brand image. 😀

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[qurious69ss]

What's all this fuzz about? When Amd was on top they overtook intel in retail sales.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-overtook-intel-in-u.s.-pc-retail-sales/2915.html With the release of conroe intel regained it back. What's the big deal? People are smarter then you think and do a bit more research when purchasing a big ticket item. This whole "I'm a victim" crap is getting quite old.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Not to the state of NY nor the FTC, and the older it gets, like good wine, the better itll be for the FTC and NY

 

[qurious69ss]

NY huh? I heard that there was fab going up in Malta, NY hmmm... Anyways like I said retail sales numbers from the A64, P4 era shows that the dominance by Amd was not overlooked by the supposedly "uninformed" customers since they went with the better product at the time. http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/33080-amd%E2%80%99s-market-share-in-retail-market-holds-steady-at-staggering-cost The market works period.

 

[Chad Boga]

NY huh? I heard that there was fab going up in Malta, NY hmmm... Anyways like I said retail sales numbers from the A64, P4 era shows that the dominance by Amd was not overlooked by the supposedly "uninformed" customers since they went with the better product at the time. http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/33080-amd%E2%80%99s-market-share-in-retail-market-holds-steady-at-staggering-cost The market works period.

And yet joe average became ignorant again in late 2006, the same time that benchmarks didn't matter any longer.

I wonder what could have caused such a dramatic turn of events? :lol:

 

[qurious69ss]

Yes, people seem to conveniently forget that Amd had the lead in retail market share up until around early 2007. They even had overall market share in the 20s with server in the 30s and could of had more but they were supposedly selling every chip they could make. Like i said the "victim" card is old.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I havnt seen the fat lady sisters, word is, one lives in NY state, the other in Washington DC, and they arent singing yet

Mow what Id like to know is, who are you trying to point this "victim" crap at?
AMD fanbois?
The FTC? The state of NY?
Im sure the last 2 will figure out how much of your discerned idea is merited, if any at all

 

[qurious69ss]

I havnt seen the fat lady sisters, word is, one lives in NY state, the other in Washington DC, and they arent singing yet

Mow what Id like to know is, who are you trying to point this "victim" crap at?
AMD fanbois?
The FTC? The state of NY?
Im sure the last 2 will figure out how much of your discerned idea is merited, if any at all

Fanbois of course. They seem to forget the whole pre conroe era i.e. benchmarks significance, market share, ASP, capacity constraints etc., and what they do remember they spin it around. BTW there is spinning on the other side too but the couple of rabid Amd fanbois that are in here make it a lot more fun and actually easier to disprove.

 

[hell_storm2004]

:If the spirit is white, something is not rrrrright!!!!" 😀

Whiskey all they way!!!

 

[verndewd]

And yet joe average became ignorant again in late 2006, the same time that benchmarks didn't matter any longer.

I wonder what could have caused such a dramatic turn of events? :lol:

fanboi ism is a disease thats ugly on either side of the fence chad.

 

[verndewd]

:If the spirit is white, something is not rrrrright!!!!" 😀

Whiskey all they way!!!

variety is the spice of life
on friday a dark booze and a blonde woman
on saturday the reverse
on wednesday a darker skin and more exotic liquor
as long as the girl is sweet but the booze isnt
someone go print that in a playboy mag ! quick before the server dies

 

[someguy7]

I'll assume you've never worked in sales, else you'd know that it is your job to sell the most expensive thing you can. How many people do you think are being 'advised' to buy the cheaper AMD systems? How many do you think are pressured into spending more on the intel?

It's got nothing to do with name recognition and everything to do with the bottom line for the seller. Even a bad salesperson could sell an intel for $50 more than an AMD. To stupid people that is.

I guess around 33% of your fellow Americans aren't quite so dumb, because they figured out the smarter choice. Then again how dumb is it really when we have otherwise intelligent people (ie yourself and a bunch of intel fanboys) who would still spend more cash simply for the intel sticker? That one is worth thinking about.

I have never worked in sales. Correct. But I have spent many hours in my local comp usa in the early years of the p4. I had a friend that worked at the store that would hook me with "free" cd-rs. And I have actually seen first hand actually the opposite in action. The sales person would actually try and get people to buy the AMD alot of people would still not buy them. I have seen the Intel brand name sell machines first hand. Heck if you been on these forums long enough you will recall all the people new to computers that ended up with the P4 simply because that is what they knew.

No matter how many ways you keep on spinning it. Back then and even to this day people will pick a machine simply because it has Intel in it.

Also I will never by Intel and spend more cash for the Intel sticker. I built two machines this year with triple core PII's with ATI graphic cards. The year before I built a e8400 system for a machine that user plays the sims3 and some other games. I myself bought a q9950 about a month ago from microcenter to upgrade my p965 e6420 system.

If I was building a new system from scratch at the moment I would def go with AMD for what I use the machine for. I have absolutely no brand loyalty or preference at all when it comes to Intel and AMD. Except for my laptop. My laptop HAS to be a Intel. The program I got a laptop for simply doesn't run well at all on AMD machines period.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Yes, people seem to conveniently forget that Amd had the lead in retail market share up until around early 2007. They even had overall market share in the 20s with server in the 30s and could of had more but they were supposedly selling every chip they could make. Like i said the "victim" card is old.

Nah. AMD was hurt by Intel. No way the issues they had with manufacturing enough had anything to do with it.

j/k

I have been saying that for a while. You cannot make more than you can make. If 100K/month is what you can do its what you can do. And if AMD did sell every chip they made in that period up until Core 2 was out it would pretty much void a lot of the claims made by said fanboys.

But a lot of them will still spin it.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

And this is also why going to a real trial, where Intel cant hide behind contexts, rumors and claims will end this the other ways around as well.
If NY and the FTC find it of worth, theyll consider, as much as Japan and Korea and the EU did, but at least we'll know.
The most highly gaurded secret in production is yields, and for any internet "source" to come out with estimations, and any PR claims speaking on it, all have to be taken with a grain of salt.
So, if the FTC and NY find Intels claims full of it, then the AMD fanbois have a point here, if not, then the Intel fans do.
Im inclined its a mid point, but both sides are right in part, depending in context and finer knowledge, which no ones been privy to, PR or not

 

[verndewd]

or hide behind mysterious lost emails.

 

[jimmysmitty]

And this is also why going to a real trial, where Intel cant hide behind contexts, rumors and claims will end this the other ways around as well.
If NY and the FTC find it of worth, theyll consider, as much as Japan and Korea and the EU did, but at least we'll know.
The most highly gaurded secret in production is yields, and for any internet "source" to come out with estimations, and any PR claims speaking on it, all have to be taken with a grain of salt.
So, if the FTC and NY find Intels claims full of it, then the AMD fanbois have a point here, if not, then the Intel fans do.
Im inclined its a mid point, but both sides are right in part, depending in context and finer knowledge, which no ones been privy to, PR or not

I can agree that knowing the yield info is hard at best BUT when multiple sources can point to having issues with supplying whats wanted that makes one ask a question as to what really caused what.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

And tho we wont have numbers, or direct causes, we will have an answer, and also, how this effected AMD and its ability to change it, if needed.
Sometimes, getting what you ask for isnt what you want

 

[qurious69ss]

I have never worked in sales. Correct. But I have spent many hours in my local comp usa in the early years of the p4. I had a friend that worked at the store that would hook me with "free" cd-rs. And I have actually seen first hand actually the opposite in action. The sales person would actually try and get people to buy the AMD alot of people would still not buy them. I have seen the Intel brand name sell machines first hand. Heck if you been on these forums long enough you will recall all the people new to computers that ended up with the P4 simply because that is what they knew.

No matter how many ways you keep on spinning it. Back then and even to this day people will pick a machine simply because it has Intel in it.

Also I will never by Intel and spend more cash for the Intel sticker. I built two machines this year with triple core PII's with ATI graphic cards. The year before I built a e8400 system for a machine that user plays the sims3 and some other games. I myself bought a q9950 about a month ago from microcenter to upgrade my p965 e6420 system.

If I was building a new system from scratch at the moment I would def go with AMD for what I use the machine for. I have absolutely no brand loyalty or preference at all when it comes to Intel and AMD. Except for my laptop. My laptop HAS to be a Intel. The program I got a laptop for simply doesn't run well at all on AMD machines period.

I showed you the numbers already that showed that Amd gained greatly in the retail sector during the P4/X2 era. There will always be a few who will buy just on loyalty, like the ones who bough the phenom 9950 system, but for the most part people will do a bit of research before purchasing a big ticket.

 

[someguy7]

I showed you the numbers already that showed that Amd gained greatly in the retail sector during the P4/X2 era. There will always be a few who will buy just on loyalty, like the ones who bough the phenom 9950 system, but for the most part people will do a bit of research before purchasing a big ticket.

I did not read your link or even your orignal post until now.

That is from the fall of 05. So it took two years of being the far better cpu for it to reach that point. And even at the point in time it barely outsold Intel systems. That tells me just how strong the Intel name was. Or how stupid the people are. Even after years of the athlon64 kicking the crap out of Intel and all the reviews and word of mouth. About half the people where getting the Intels still. The article also stated that AMD overtook Intel in October 05. That was a couple months after the x2 came out. It took all that just to beat Intel for the first time in US retail sector. To me that shows how to stupid the consumer is.

If the average consumer was smarter and did a bit of research before making a purchase AMD would have overtook Intel in this market basically as soon the athlons hit the retail channel. Not two and half years later and after a couple of months after the x2's where out. And in about 7 months or so from when the article was out the Core2duo comes out.

That fact that it took up until this point in time for AMD to outsell Intel in US retail sector is a flat out joke. And IMHO shows just how stupid the average consumer is.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I showed you the numbers already that showed that Amd gained greatly in the retail sector during the P4/X2 era. There will always be a few who will buy just on loyalty, like the ones who bough the phenom 9950 system, but for the most part people will do a bit of research before purchasing a big ticket.

If AMD sold every last chip, then they would have gotten all the money they could have since they sold their chips at a premium price due to the superiority of A64. If with that money they built a FAB in that time they could of course continue to sell more and expand their market share. But from what I have seen and read they didn't get a new FAB up instead focused on ATI since even after the things they alleged Intel of they still had problems with capacity.

We will find out as it goes. But until then it will be the same old until we get all the info. If AMD had sold every CPU they could make at that time then there is no way they could have gained more market share than they did because they can't throw mroe CPUs that they don't have.

I doubt any company would take a IOU since the tech industry moved so fast that they knew if AMD couldn't produce in time they might get left behind with a lower performer.

 

[Chad Boga]

fanboi ism is a disease thats ugly on either side of the fence chad.

You shouldn't confuse my liking to prod those suffering from massive amounts of self-delusion, with fanboyism.

Until I bought my i7-860 on the 19th of December 2009, I had been running with an AMD64 3000+ for almost 4 years.

My comments are directed at the crazies who think they are fighting some kind of Holy War(in semiconductors of all things, Bloody Hell ), and will never own any other computer than one powered by a green label.

 

[jimmysmitty]

You shouldn't confuse my liking to prod those suffering from massive amounts of self-delusion, with fanboyism.

Until I bought my i7-860 on the 19th of December 2009, I had been running with an AMD64 3000+ for almost 4 years.

My comments are directed at the crazies who think they are fighting some kind of Holy War(in semiconductors of all things, Bloody Hell ), and will never own any other computer than one powered by a green label.

Funniest thing is that the blue label CPU is greener (enviormentaly) than the green label CPU......