Hi flamethrower..ATI image quality versus nVIDIA's

[nexus_alpha]

For those of of you who think that image quality is the same for both high end cards from nVIDIA adn ATI check this link out <A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2001q4/r200/index.x?pg=5" target="_new">http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2001q4/r200/index.x?pg=5</A>
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And for those of you who thing clock for clock nVIDIA is more powerful check this link <A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2001q4/r200/index.x?pg=4" target="_new">http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2001q4/r200/index.x?pg=4</A>


And for those who think I am biased I will tell you this ATI's smoothvision ain't so great. At low resolutions fine but at High it sucks.. but anisotropic filtering in D3D rocks on the R200.

 

[AMD_Man]

I have been debating this with Matisaro and Flamethrower for a while now....it's quite interesting how the Radeon 8500 is all over the place in terms of performance.

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[nexus_alpha]

Do you live on the forums or something I just finish posting Jee wiz. Well the debate goes on, flamethrower is probably going to say something with the quadro somewhere in there LOL on offence flamethrower just having fun.

 

[AMD_Man]

lol, lots of refreshing!!

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[flamethrower205]

Ok, aboiut the image quality. As u can see, they didn't specify what anistropic was set to on teh GF3...therefore meaning that test is invalid. They also seem to forget quincux.... Also, I bet u my Quadro...just kidding Ok, and for teh first one...I liek dark surfaces better. My eyes just see better when things are darker. Also, if u look at other image quality things such as those at anandtech, u'll see there's no difference. also, a lot of it focusses on AA...something which I have NO use for, considering that I use OGL rendering and higher resolutions, so that there are no ridgies.

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[flamethrower205]

Now, for teh performance issue. Ok, so if the R200 is sooo much more powerful, as it seems nearly 2x in teh that site (which I don't trust, cause who teh hell uses a baby holding God knows what and says new fashion????) than a 275MHz R200 should kill a GF3...but it doesn't. I'm telling u, those benchmarks (which are qurky...notice the "Figure 5: Vertex shader performance as a function of instruction length") aren't real but rather theoretical. I live in the real world, not a theoretical one, cause in teh real world, there are infinite more factors to take in

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[AMD_Man]

It has never been doubted that the Radeon 8500 has a superior T&L, vertex and pixel shaders. The problem is, none of today's games make full use of the R8500's superior features.

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[flamethrower205]

And by the time they do, it'll be too slow I'm beginning to wonder...should I experiment w/ my vid card and try to make it 128MB?

My rice car will leave your R8500 in the dust!

 

[flamethrower205]

BTW, considering that I'm arguing on behalf of my Quadro DCC, I must say that the features it has are more powerful than a r200's, and they are in full use! Sry, just had to mention that

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[AMD_Man]

You keep forgetting forgetting that the Quadro DCC costs $1000, roughly 4 times more than a Radeon 8500 (at least for the price that I got mine).

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[knowan]

Okay, there are some differences between the ATI and the nForce vid cards. Which is better and which is worse seems to be a matter of opinion. They're different, but some people like the difference.

On the other hand, there is no doubt that ATI has better 2D image quality.

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[flamethrower205]

None the less, in a sense it's just a crazy GF3.

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[AMD_Man]

for a crazy price! hehe...

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[flamethrower205]

For cheaper than the reg GF3! Also, the image quality is probably better than an R200's in 2D, cause in Photoshop for instance, there are certain optimizations that make the quality better.

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[AMD_Man]

Stop comparing your Quadro DCC to a Radeon 8500. The only competitor from ATI is the FireGL8700 and 8800

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[Matisaro]

The pic you linked to isnt image quality, its diffuse bump mapping quality.

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[nexus_alpha]

Ok so what makes up a 3d image besides a bump mapped texture or trilinear filtered image or transform and lighting added in IT ALL COUNTS. After some time in the forums I suddenly discovered something that didn't make sense until now "Arugment seldom convinces anyone contrary to his inclinations." - THOMAS FULLER

By the way ATI just released the fire gl 8800

Alright flamethrower enough of the quadro unless you get me one for cheap ($100-$150) stop comparing it to the R8500 instead the fire gl 8800 and don't make any baseless arguments back up with some projected benchmarks or otherwise.

A little sidetrack nVIDIA and microsoft got cozy to produce the X-box was this the nail in the coffin for other 3d card makers well almost so what happened--- nVIDIA happened. When microsoft was working on directx 8.1 nVIDIA had the gaul to tell MICROSOFT that certain things had to be patented from them in order to be implemented in directx 8.1. Can we say delusions of grandeur, well microsoft got less cozy with nVIDIA ( to put it mildly ) so they got cozy with ATI and now ATI has the only fully direct x 8.1 (don't let nVIDIA pr fool you neither ATI's pr, pr is usually full of bogus statements) compliant card. Now microsoft is using ATI cards (can't remember if it is a variation of the r200 or actual r300) as reference cards for the production of direct x 9. MY grammar sucks but ignore. And this question of ATI performance alot of the games/benchmarks are built from ground up with nVIDIA cards in mind if they built ATI hardware in mind as mentioned in my last link you all would probably be saying nVIDIA sucks. So keeping this in mind ATI's cards are doing an excellent job in the benchmarks and new drives come out alot faster than nVIDIA. By the way remember when the geforce 3 came out and in some benchmarks showed the geforce 2 ultra was keeping up or beating it. (lost the link sorry but is available in previous posts) The r300 the west ATI team works on it different from the the east team ( they produced the r200 ) work on the r300 was going on at the same time as the r200 but the r200 was started before. The west team produced the graphics chip on the gamecube, go to anandtech to see what he thinks about it ( he is impressed ) So what does this mean we may see the first graphics card with embedded ram and a whole different drivers team also it is an entirely different core so PREVIOUS ATI REPUTATION is not applicable so 2 possiblities the drivers rock or they suck( unlikely )the hardware is going to be great I mean look at the gamecube gamespot tv thinks the best looking game is on the gamecube (rouge squadron somethin or the other) and if the west team can make a great graphics core and the gamecube is still a shy under $200 imagine the $300 graphics card they can produce. Though honestly this is 50% speculation and 50% truth, but you cannot ignore west team's a.k.a ARTX very excellent project history.

 

[flamethrower205]

don't make any baseless arguments back up with some projected benchmarks or otherwise.
Ehem, I belive that that stuff about calculated power and all on that site is projected. Hmmm....

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[pr497]

i like it when AMD_Man and flamethrower debate on whether the R8500 is a better card than the gf3ti500.
i would join in myself but i just dont have the extensive technical knowledge of AMD_Man or flamethower.
its interesting to see if flamethower will mention is $400+ (i think) Quadro card or whatever its called in the debate again...
anyways...i have a retail R8500 and is very happy with it and i, too, am a little dissapointed with smoothvisions performance.
anyways....do you own a R8500 or a gf3?

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[AMD_Man]

Sadly, Smoothvision seems to be a supersampling method instead of multisampling. This means better quality, worse performance.

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[pr497]

atleast the R8500's anistropic filtering kicks ass

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[nexus_alpha]

So I guess when I debate I don't count only those two I am offended LOL

 

[pr497]

sorry...i just see more of their post on threads...thats all...im sure you can debate the hell outta anyone

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[flamethrower205]

Is that a challenge? Nexus did get his ass wooped w/ teh Xbox thing

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[flamethrower205]

BTW, ignore me for teh next few hours cause a few REALLY bad things happened, so I'm really pissed, and that combined w/ sleep deprivation = great aggressiveness...not to mention my adrenaline buildup...

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