How Will AMD stay alive?

[fazers_on_stun]

Oh, and for those prideful few, thats DP as well, not SP, and yes, a high power consuming gpu outdoes the best cpu, interesting...

What exactly are these "data parallel workloads"? Folding-at-home? How does GPGPU do on branchy x86 code? If we're gonna compare the 5870 GPU to Intel's i7 CPU's, let's see a full-blown, across-the-board review with Sysmark, Photoshop, encoding, Excel & other work apps, and yes - gaming. I'd bet that GPGPU won't do nearly as well in many common x86 tasks, but I'm willing to wait for an official review.

At least AMD isn't saying "wide variety of workloads" like they did with Barcie 😀.

 

[Mousemonkey]

You, OTOH, are doing a fine job of painting yourself into a small corner - I note that in the "Comparing Intel's & AMD's architectures" thread, you dragged my most excellent reputation through the mud and then got the thread locked . Bad, bad girl! 😀

Actually mate, I closed the thread because the banter between you had ah heck all to do with the topic and the OP had long gone, if you and jennyh want to carry on your banter in this thread I don't have a problem with that as the thread title is defiantly better suited, just keep it clean, no eye gouging, no rabbit punches and no biting. 😛

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I know I'm going to get flammed for this, but I really have no confidence in JDJ being a mod.

Well I hafta disagree - while JDJ favors AMD, he is also fairly open-minded, at least in my experience.

We'd really be in trouble if BOM decided to make jennyh a mod!! 😗

But I think we're safe - mod is short for moderator, and moderation is not in her vocabulary, unlike "gauranteed" 😀

 

[Upendra09]

isn't wingding like a the forum pervert? who has a twisted mind and belongs in a mental asylum?

Random, how did u get to be a mod then? who promoted u?

 

[Upendra09]

I just want to remind everyone this is my thread and please talk about how AMD is going to survive and not torch each other about the fanboyism

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Yeah maybe we should get you or fazers instead right?\.

At least I haven't gotten any threads locked for ad hominem attacks. Not yet, anyway 😀.

Anyway, I had no confidence in Randomizer being a mod either, but he's proven me and any other doubters to be very wrong

Not that proving you very wrong is particularly difficult 😀, but Random is more pro-Aussie than anything else. Just diss Australia with a "shrimp-on-the-barbie" reference & see what happens 😗

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Actually mate, I closed the thread because the banter between you had ah heck all to do with the topic and the OP had long gone, if you and jennyh want to carry on your banter in this thread I don't have a problem with that as the thread title is defiantly better suited, just keep it clean, no eye gouging, no rabbit punches and no biting. 😛

Heh, name one thread that stays on topic for more than a page 😀.

Anyway I feel a bit cheated 'cuz I had to work & couldn't respond before the dreaded threadlok monster struck!

However, back on topic, looks like Anandtech has some interesting IDF news on their front page. 22nm announcement, Sandy Bridge & - JDJ's favorite 😀 - Larrabee demoes, etc. I think this will upstage AMD's 58xx announcement, by far! 😛

 

[Upendra09]

RT is the next big thing!!!

 

[randomizer]

RT has been the next big thing for years, but it still isn't here in force. It's like cloud computing in that regard.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

RT has been the next big thing for years, but it still isn't here in force. It's like cloud computing in that regard.

I think Upendra is referring to the RT Larrabee demo at IDF. I've only seen static pix comparing RT to raster (or rasta if you live in Jamaica 😀), no live demoes, so I can't really compare the 2. But RT does seem more impressive with reflections, lighting etc.

 

[jennyh]

It wasn't really a static pic, that's just larrabee drawing at 0.000001 fps. Don't worry, you can blink without missing a thing. 😀

Nice 'demoes' however.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Also coming out of IDF was this, much more interesting I thought.

 

[randomizer]

I saw a video running at a good 10-15FPS at least, I don't know where this static image you saw is. In any case, it was a pretty poor ray tracing example. Rasterisation could have equaled it or come pretty close I think. I'd say they're "cheating" by using a progressive ray tracer too. Where most ray tracers complete the image in blocks, a progressive ray tracer works on the whole image at once and continuously traces rays to refine the image. There are CPU-based ray tracers that can do this as well, but not as fast (example). I am not sure if you can really give it a framerate when it probably never completes a whole frame 😉 The CUDA-based ray tracer that was demoed at SIGGRAPH (I think?) was progressive, and you could see that it started off very grainy and improved as time went on, but only had a chance to refine the image when the camera wasn't moving (which in the larrabee video, it isn't).

 

[Hellboy]

I saw a video running at a good 10-15FPS at least, I don't know where this static image you saw is. In any case, it was a pretty poor ray tracing example. Rasterisation could have equaled it or come pretty close I think. I'd say they're "cheating" by using a progressive ray tracer too. Where most ray tracers complete the image in blocks, a progressive ray tracer works on the whole image at once and continuously traces rays to refine the image. There are CPU-based ray tracers that can do this as well, but not as fast (example). I am not sure if you can really give it a framerate when it probably never completes a whole frame 😉 The CUDA-based ray tracer that was demoed at SIGGRAPH (I think?) was progressive, and you could see that it started off very grainy and improved as time went on, but only had a chance to refine the image when the camera wasn't moving (which in the larrabee video, it isn't).

I really dont expect LRB to be that bad, even Intel have admitted that the inititial release will not be exciting although initial scores put it on mark with a gtx280 which is not a bad feat considering intel have only just started again making video cards.

But raytracing in mind is what LRB is designed for. I recon Intel will capture this crown too now their on 22nm.

Jenny your fangirl ism is now reaching Thunderman dribble, just dont go that far. Facts are facts what ever people say.

I am neither a fan of AMD or Intel. But I admit I sway to Intel down to the fact that the chipsets are more stable and reliable than anything Nvidia, ATI, AMD, SIS and Via have put out. Unfortunatly Intel only make Intel platforms and reliability for me is the main sector. I dont want to build machines with troubles. I loose money on recalls. AMD processors are ok but their platforms in the passed have let them down.

Video cards i sway towards nvidia down to the fact that they talk to software companies to optimize games which AMD dont.


Yes the new ATI card seems to be impressive but AMD cant afford to make mistakes anymore. The need a killer product to survive now as the PII will not on its own, especially now Intel have AMDs nuts in its hand and is squeezing them harder every day with price cuts.

Now what will amd fans say when the new nvidia card knocks out the new ati one, cut the speculation untill they are here.. then we will make up out own minds.

 

[amdfangirl]

JD when did yuou get to be a mod?

everyone i talk to on these forums are becoming mods!! why not me????!?!?!??!?!??

Hey, you don't see me being a mod!

Just wait until you have a post count similar to his...

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I saw a video running at a good 10-15FPS at least, I don't know where this static image you saw is. In any case, it was a pretty poor ray tracing example. Rasterisation could have equaled it or come pretty close I think. I'd say they're "cheating" by using a progressive ray tracer too. Where most ray tracers complete the image in blocks, a progressive ray tracer works on the whole image at once and continuously traces rays to refine the image. There are CPU-based ray tracers that can do this as well, but not as fast (example). I am not sure if you can really give it a framerate when it probably never completes a whole frame 😉 The CUDA-based ray tracer that was demoed at SIGGRAPH (I think?) was progressive, and you could see that it started off very grainy and improved as time went on, but only had a chance to refine the image when the camera wasn't moving (which in the larrabee video, it isn't).

Guess I wasn't clear - the static images I saw for RT were a few months ago, not during the current IDF. Some Anandtech or maybe THG article explaining the differences & advantages of each.

I just wonder if it'll be Larrabee on the Sandy Bridge die as the GPU in 2011. Now that would be interesting to see, going up against Bulldozer.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Also coming out of IDF was this, much more interesting I thought.

I'd hafta wait for reviews to see how well Hydra does, esp. with an nVidia & ATI card together . But it's an interesting concept, plus if they can get it to work with an IGP & discrete GPU dynamically (where the GPU kicks in when your graphics load needs the extra processing, but otherwise powers down), that would be worthwhile too.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

I really dont expect LRB to be that bad, even Intel have admitted that the inititial release will not be exciting although initial scores put it on mark with a gtx280 which is not a bad feat considering intel have only just started again making video cards.

But raytracing in mind is what LRB is designed for. I recon Intel will capture this crown too now their on 22nm.

Jenny your fangirl ism is now reaching Thunderman dribble, just dont go that far. Facts are facts what ever people say.

I am neither a fan of AMD or Intel. But I admit I sway to Intel down to the fact that the chipsets are more stable and reliable than anything Nvidia, ATI, AMD, SIS and Via have put out. Unfortunatly Intel only make Intel platforms and reliability for me is the main sector. I dont want to build machines with troubles. I loose money on recalls. AMD processors are ok but their platforms in the passed have let them down.

Video cards i sway towards nvidia down to the fact that they talk to software companies to optimize games which AMD dont.


Yes the new ATI card seems to be impressive but AMD cant afford to make mistakes anymore. The need a killer product to survive now as the PII will not on its own, especially now Intel have AMDs nuts in its hand and is squeezing them harder every day with price cuts.

Now what will amd fans say when the new nvidia card knocks out the new ati one, cut the speculation untill they are here.. then we will make up out own minds.

Man, that's a lotta 'swaying' - just how many beers did you have there, HB?? 😀

Yeah, I'm willing to wait for a released product and actual reviews before passing judgment on Larrabee. Ditto for GPGPU's trying to pass themselves off as x86 replacements .

 

[randomizer]

That larrabee demo doesn't use AA either, I just noticed. Ray tracing is a whole lot faster without SSAA.

 

[amdfangirl]

Maybe Larrabee isn't as good as it can be.

 

[cjl]

That larrabee demo doesn't use AA either, I just noticed. Ray tracing is a whole lot faster without SSAA.

To be fair, the same is true of rasterizing. SSAA is a huge performance hit regardless of your method.

 

[Hellboy]

Man, that's a lotta 'swaying' - just how many beers did you have there, HB?? 😀

Yeah, I'm willing to wait for a released product and actual reviews before passing judgment on Larrabee. Ditto for GPGPU's trying to pass themselves off as x86 replacements .

Beers, beers ah yes where was I, its all Mangers here Fazers, but I build my first I Core 7 the other day and i was very impressed.

You know when a pentium 4 first ran windows 98 and youll know what i mean.. It makes Vista come to life when its near its end.

I just want a simpler life - Intel is just so and fast too

But I have got some tripple cripples in stock ready to be pushed down the hill in its wheel chair.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

To be fair, the same is true of rasterizing. SSAA is a huge performance hit regardless of your method.

It all depends
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_hd_5870_performance_preview/page21.asp
ATI has been able to handle AA very efficiently lately

 

[cjl]

It all depends
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_hd_5870_performance_preview/page21.asp
ATI has been able to handle AA very efficiently lately

That's almost definitely MSAA.

Here's the difference:

 

[fazers_on_stun]

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/shares/2/135894/one_month.stm

AMD go above $6. If you'd bought shares 6 months ago, you just trebled your cash.

Btw, it's gonna go up by a large amount tomorrow as well.

LOL - I guess if you can call a loss of 6 cents per share "going up by a large amount", you'd have been right for once in your life. 😀

Unfortunately, you have managed to preserve your perfect FAIL record. Again. 😛

Looking forward to that profitable Q4 "gaurantee" 😀