How Will AMD stay alive?

[archibael]

But will they be singing the winged-monkey "Oh-ee-oh" song or the goblin "Ho ho, my lad"? I have my preference...

 

[xaira]

if it wernt for the i5 750, id say amd has a chance, but from the looks of it, amd needs to find that rabbit, the hat is getting boring

 

[caamsa]

Maybe I will just ask this here.....

I was just trying to compare the i5 750 to the Q9650 which runs at 3ghz. Both processors seem to be evenly matched in gaming and that is with the turbo on for the i5 750 which makes it run at 2.93GHz. So clock for clock they are pretty close. Right? I mean the turbo can throw you off because the i5 750 base speed is 2.6GHz but when it goes into turbo it speeds up to 2.93GHz. Clock for clock they all pretty much seem the same. Of course I see no reason to turn the turbo off. So it is auto overclocking which really is not overclocking since it is built in.....am I correct in my assumption>?

 

[MarkG]

So clock for clock they are pretty close. Right?

Most current game benchmarks are limited by the GPU at that level of CPU performance. If you look at benchmarks that are largely CPU-limited, the i5 is often well ahead of the Core-2 Quads.

Most of these tests, for example, should be limited by the CPU more than disk or GPU, and they show i5-750 regularly beating a 3.2GHz Core 2 Quad:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-11.html

 

[fazers_on_stun]

It's not all that impressive TC, my natural language is [strike]Scots[/strike] SCOTCH. 😛

Fixed it for ya 😀.

I guess if I imbibed a bottle of Scotch, I too would shupports goo ol' AMD! *hic*... ZZzzzzz 😗

Actually, a portion of my ancestry is Welsh, so I can sorta agree with your sentiments. Down with the English!! 😀

 

[fazers_on_stun]

But will they be singing the winged-monkey "Oh-ee-oh" song or the goblin "Ho ho, my lad"? I have my preference...

I always thought that monkey song was "Oh we owe..." - the Wicked Witch of the West being the IRS or some such 😀.

 

[caamsa]

Most current game benchmarks are limited by the GPU at that level of CPU performance. If you look at benchmarks that are largely CPU-limited, the i5 is often well ahead of the Core-2 Quads.

Most of these tests, for example, should be limited by the CPU more than disk or GPU, and they show i5-750 regularly beating a 3.2GHz Core 2 Quad:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-11.html

Thanks for your reply. I am just looking at upgrading and I can recycle my DDR2 and just get a mb and cpu instead of all three and the scores look close enough between the two processors I don't know......I could save a lot of money and still have a very fast system.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

So it is auto overclocking which really is not overclocking since it is built in.....am I correct in my assumption>?

Nope.

Stays within designed thermal and power limits. It's not overclocking. The two are different.

 

[wuzy]

Lynnfield with ECC support:

http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/products/server/processor/xeon3000/specifications

X3400 series.

Awesome, thanks for the info. (totally unexpected)

Which brings to why would Intel release such chips for workstation? Surely they would just prefer to rip more money out of people's pocket with LGA1366 w35xx chips.

Now, onto spec'ing up some uber-efficiency devices... *rub hands together*

 

[caamsa]

Nope.

Stays within designed thermal and power limits. It's not overclocking. The two are different.

Hey dude 😀

What I was trying to figure out looking at the benchmarks is that for the i5 750 they have listed at 2.6 Ghz when it is really running more like 3.0Ghz when being benched with the over drive? Is that correct? But it is not overclocking but it kinda gives it more power when needed. Which I think is a great idea. Kudos to Intell.

I just want to make sure I understand the i5 overdrive thingy. I would love to pick up an i5 but then I would need to get DDR3. I was looking at a deal at Microcenter. They have a Q9550 for $169.99 which is a great deal then I would only need to replace the mb and use all my old stuff which is still good stuff I could also do the same with an AMD system. (Of course I am an AMD fanboy 😍) If I get an i5 750 which is $179.99 there a dang good deal I would need to get the mb and memory.

I was just thinking.....maybe an upgrade at Xmas......hmmm......or just keep my AM2 6000+ Windsor and get a new video card and upgrade to windows 7. That would be the real cheap thing to do.

Good to see some familiar faces....errr.....avatars....... 😀 I still read TH but do get on the forums much anymore.......take care.

 

[archibael]

Awesome, thanks for the info. (totally unexpected)

Glad to help.

Which brings to why would Intel release such chips for workstation? Surely they would just prefer to rip more money out of people's pocket with LGA1366 w35xx chips.

I suspect we'd love to, but the 1366 parts were designed with DP servers firmly in mind-- the fact that with slight tweaks they were strongly applicable to other markets (UP servers, high-end desktop) is really just gravy. I'm sure someone looked at the price/demand curve and decided if we intercepted it just a little on the lower price side we'd pick up enough customers to make it worthwhile.

Good luck with your devices.

 

[Reynod]

TechnologyCoordinator wrote :
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Nope.

Stays within designed thermal and power limits. It's not overclocking.

The two are different.


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Well I have news for you ... plenty of CPU's can be overclocked by shifting the FSB or multiplier up a few notches without raising the core voltage ... and I call that overclocking.

I think your definition is suspect at best ...

However, while turbo mode is Intel's on the fly overclocking I don't have a problem with it ... actually I think it is very clever. Technically it is not overclocking as the CPU was designed to do it, and does it well. Its the opposite of speedstep.


Does make it hard to benchmark I guess ... but I don't really care.

So technically TC your wrong.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Good to see some familiar faces....errr.....avatars.......

LOL, I agree. Take care bud!

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

...I don't have a problem with it ... actually I think it is very clever. Technically it is not overclocking as the CPU was designed to do it, and does it well. Its the opposite of speedstep.


Does make it hard to benchmark I guess ... but I don't really care...

LOL, I think we kind of agreed, to some extent... I especially agree with the quoted statements above.

I don't see why it would be difficult to benchmark. You can use the same tests that are already out there. For some reason people want to call it cheating, or don't want to say that Turbo results are valid, but they are. They most certainly translate into the real world and real usage. To turn turbo off for benchmarking would misrepresent the product, as virtually all people who buy it are going to have turbo on and reap the benefits.

 

[amdfangirl]

Wow, if english is your second language you type in it very well! I get lazy too on the interwebs as well, but I usually spell check my posts before sending, thank goodness for google toolbar!

English is my second language too!

Pay attention to me please.

Grrr... need attention.

*Goes back to sleep*

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

English is my second language too!

Pay attention to me please.

Grrr... need attention.

*Goes back to sleep*

LOL, you speak fluent Aussie.

 

[amdfangirl]

LOL, I think we kind of agreed, to some extent... I especially agree with the quoted statements above.

I don't see why it would be difficult to overclock. You can use the same tests that are already out there. For some reason people want to call it cheating, or don't want to say that Turbo results are valid, but they are. They most certainly translate into the real world and real usage. To turn turbo off for benchmarking would misrepresent the product, as virtually all people who buy it are going to have turbo on and feel the benefits.

Well then, what about OC'ing then?

 

[amdfangirl]

LOL, you speak fluent Aussie.

I like pie.

 

[Cryslayer80]

People always compare P2 to i7 because having the best chip matters. You are able to charge a premium because there is no competition if you are in Intel's position today, and AMD's a while ago. That allows you to cut prices on your lower products if you want to. A company like AMD can make money only if Intel lets it by not cutting prices on their Core2 and CoreQuads too much. That being said, AMD hasn't made money for years. Companies can only survive so long without making mone

I agree with you on the overclocking part though. Mostly irrelevant to the 98% of people who don't overclock or don't want to (like at work, imagine if you screwed up the company's computer by some stupid overclocking. That would be a terrible way to get fired). Overclocking is important in that it shows potential. The more you can overclock, the more likely that the company will be able to increase stock speeds.

As for a monopoly, remember that one of the great tricks when you have a monopoly is to reduce choice. Why give people a choice at every price point? Figure out your manufacturing costs and pump out 3 CPUs, one for the high end performance user who has money, force him to pay. One for the middle of the road guy, give him a little more speed than he needs and charge him for it. Make one for the poor bastard who must go cheap. Make sure that CPU is a last generation piece of crap so that he'll be motivated to upgrade once he figures out how to earn some money.

That was Intel's strategy with the 486-50, 486-33, and 486-25 though the low end was really the 386 after the 486 was released. The price of a 486-50 was ridiculous for the gains it got over the 486-33.

The monopoly prices were high enough for me to buy a K6-2, which worked well enough for the price though the K6-2s from AMD weren't all that good compared to Pentium. I hope you guys buy AMD, they need it and I have no idea what AMD is doing cutting GPU prices so low. Don't they want to make money? Do they want to bleed to death? You'd think after losing so much blood, they'd stop exchanging blows with their enemy and retreat to allow both sides to rest a while. AMD = suicide!

I totally agree. And AMD would do the same as Intel if they could and be a monopolous company, but at the moment they can't. Remember the FX days? Oh, and their marketing team is hideous. Instead of pricing products like Intel and having $1000 processors they make only sub $250 CPUs... The good policy would be to make a stupid product only stupid people will buy (like the I7 950) and promote it to heaven. Then people will think they own and will buy more even their lower priced products. And you have got a win 😉 But they are suicidal and stupid.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Well then, what about OC'ing then?

Whoops, I accidently typed "overclock" where I meant to type "benchmark".

As for OCing results, they are interesting to me, but I don't ever dwell on them to much as I generally don't overclock, but I would probably OC more if I could get my hands on an unlocked multiplier.

 

[Upendra09]

so will AMD's half Crysis on iphone, vision, Turion II and other better mobile procs help them?

 

[Twoboxer]

Sure.

Apple just announced a 2GHZ iPhone based on an underclocked E6300 and a 3" screen for $1,099.99. They also unveiled the prototype for a screen extension, a series of 3" modules that can be placed together end-and-bottom-to-end-and-top to form a 24" gaming monitor supported by a revolutionary ear and shoulder mounting system. Pricing was not disclosed.

The iPhone Xtreme will run at 10 FPS which Steve Jobs feels gives the user 20 to 50 FPS to watch the road ahead, depending on his or her age.

It will have a snazzy white case, so Apple will sell millions. Good for AMD.

 

[Upendra09]

how is that good for AMD?

 

[sirkillalot]

AMD on new high share price 5.68

ps Upendra09 dont worry about amd they will do ok
they are like the pepsi to intels coke
they may not have the best cpu or cards but they have a good price which caters to the masses

pps they may how have the best graphic cards ...we will see

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

ps Upendra09 dont worry about amd they will do ok
they are like the pepsi to intels coke
they may not have the best cpu or cards but they have a good price which caters to the masses

pps they may how have the best graphic cards ...we will see

lol, love the Pepsi-Coke comparison. I do agree they have great offerings for the majority of people. However, the concern of "DOOOOOOOOM" is about their financials and how they don't seem to be able to profit, and I don't see that changing soon.