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[citation][nom]chomlee[/nom]So this is like in Rocky after he went down the second time and then got back up and started shouting at appollo creed "my momma can hit harder than that".I like WebOS - Really! I just think it is a little too early to be trash talking an operating system that has done fairly well while your operating system has had numerous attemps and failed. To be honest, the last failure was all on HP, I think they gave up too early.[/citation]
Yes, let's look at all of the great innovations Linux has given us... hmmm... hmmmm...
Yes, let's look at all of the great innovations Linux has given us... hmmm... hmmmm...
everygamer
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[citation][nom]cptnjarhead[/nom]Meg, you are on track with open webOS, please just stick with that.[/citation]
Likely this will not come to pass, all of the code that has already been open sourced for Android cannot be undone. Once open, its open for good. So if they decided to close it, they would have to do some major work at removing all the open source that is directly integrated into the primary product and or re-design it so that it works as a modular framework, where some modules are open and others are closed. Otherwise they will be breaking the open source licensing.
I think she should stick with things she understands.
Likely this will not come to pass, all of the code that has already been open sourced for Android cannot be undone. Once open, its open for good. So if they decided to close it, they would have to do some major work at removing all the open source that is directly integrated into the primary product and or re-design it so that it works as a modular framework, where some modules are open and others are closed. Otherwise they will be breaking the open source licensing.
I think she should stick with things she understands.
everygamer
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[citation][nom]soccerplayer88[/nom]Closed source prevents innovation. We'd still be stuck with Commodore 64's with that logic.[/citation]
Mac OSX is built on Free BSD, which is partly an open source platform. So without open source you wouldn't have OSX.
Microsoft Windows is really the only true closed source platform left in the industry, and they are still 85% of the desktop market share. That said, most standards today are generally driven by open source technologies, so the standards that all of these systems are built upon largely came from open source development.
Mac OSX is built on Free BSD, which is partly an open source platform. So without open source you wouldn't have OSX.
Microsoft Windows is really the only true closed source platform left in the industry, and they are still 85% of the desktop market share. That said, most standards today are generally driven by open source technologies, so the standards that all of these systems are built upon largely came from open source development.
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[citation][nom]jeffunit[/nom]Android cannot be closed sourced, because it is based on Linux with is open source, using the GPL-2 copyright. Thinking you can take an open source program and make it closed source is either clueless and incompetient or lying - take your pick[/citation]
The only thing that is GPL'ed is the Linux kernel, the rest of it can be closed off.
The only thing that is GPL'ed is the Linux kernel, the rest of it can be closed off.
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[citation][nom]phatboe[/nom]The only thing that is GPL'ed is the Linux kernel, the rest of it can be closed off.[/citation]
Well, future updates could become closed, but not what's already out there. Such a move would be risky because the OS could easily "fork".
Well, future updates could become closed, but not what's already out there. Such a move would be risky because the OS could easily "fork".
Android is using the Linux kernel. To do so, Google must abide by the open source rules set by Linus Torvalds (the patent holder of Linux). Google cannot hide or make anything is does with Linux private. Google cannot patent any code that is based on Linux. Android will always be open source as long as it is built on Linux. Thank you Mr. Torvalds for the greatest gift in computer science.
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[citation][nom]leberama[/nom]Android is using the Linux kernel. To do so, Google must abide by the open source rules set by Linus Torvalds (the patent holder of Linux). Google cannot hide or make anything is does with Linux private. Google cannot patent any code that is based on Linux. Android will always be open source as long as it is built on Linux. Thank you Mr. Torvalds for the greatest gift in computer science.[/citation]
what about osx? it's linux based. and certainly not open source.
what about osx? it's linux based. and certainly not open source.
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]LOL i think he meant webOS. that sounds like something HP would do to open source software[/citation]
HP made webOS open source....wtf would they suddenly decide to make it closed-source after releasing it's source code?
HP made webOS open source....wtf would they suddenly decide to make it closed-source after releasing it's source code?
[citation][nom]kawininjazx[/nom]Maybe closed source isn't a bad thing. Think about it, Ubuntu is really nice, but you have to be a power user to get everything working right and you have to occasionally figure out problems with it. When you compare it to Windows or OSX, it is not nearly as solid.[/citation]
Not sure why you are being downvoted, for ease of use and installation on any compatible device using a desktop operating system, OSX and Windows are miles ahead of linux. There is better driver support, less random problems, etc... Im not saying linux is bad or unstable, but it just isn't as reliably smooth to get operating. And if you are going to reply and say "well i installed linux and it was completely painless" good for you, so have I, but I have also seen linux completely fail on a standard desktop computer with nothing fancy. I have seen it break due to sli. I have seen it break because a raid was in use (even though I wasn't installing linux to the raid). Even now, with ubuntu 11.10, I have to disable my nvidia raid arrays while I attempt to install linux on my computer. Windows never failed like that on the same systems, it always worked.[/citation]
[citation][nom]slicedtoad[/nom]what about osx? it's linux based. and certainly not open source.[/citation]
It is based somewhat on freebsd and does not use the linux kernel. So technically, while related, it is not linux based. Apple actually has its own kernel that they develop for the os.
Not sure why you are being downvoted, for ease of use and installation on any compatible device using a desktop operating system, OSX and Windows are miles ahead of linux. There is better driver support, less random problems, etc... Im not saying linux is bad or unstable, but it just isn't as reliably smooth to get operating. And if you are going to reply and say "well i installed linux and it was completely painless" good for you, so have I, but I have also seen linux completely fail on a standard desktop computer with nothing fancy. I have seen it break due to sli. I have seen it break because a raid was in use (even though I wasn't installing linux to the raid). Even now, with ubuntu 11.10, I have to disable my nvidia raid arrays while I attempt to install linux on my computer. Windows never failed like that on the same systems, it always worked.[/citation]
[citation][nom]slicedtoad[/nom]what about osx? it's linux based. and certainly not open source.[/citation]
It is based somewhat on freebsd and does not use the linux kernel. So technically, while related, it is not linux based. Apple actually has its own kernel that they develop for the os.
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Republican playbook uses misinformation to gain followers. She simply forgot she is not running for office anymore. She also forgot the tech crowd has a higher IQ than the voting crowd.
[citation][nom]kawininjazx[/nom]Maybe closed source isn't a bad thing. Think about it, Ubuntu is really nice, but you have to be a power user to get everything working right and you have to occasionally figure out problems with it. When you compare it to Windows or OSX, it is not nearly as solid.[/citation]
yea... you dont get what open and closed source means.
lets say open and closed source is like videogames.
closed is like modern warfare 2, you cant mod it, you have to use their servers and all that crap
where open source is like, oblivion, skyrim, or better yet, halflife and counter strike, a total conversion mod, where you basically don't have anything from the original but the core
im over simplifying it, i know that, but thats what its like.
yea... you dont get what open and closed source means.
lets say open and closed source is like videogames.
closed is like modern warfare 2, you cant mod it, you have to use their servers and all that crap
where open source is like, oblivion, skyrim, or better yet, halflife and counter strike, a total conversion mod, where you basically don't have anything from the original but the core
im over simplifying it, i know that, but thats what its like.
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[citation][nom]jeffunit[/nom]Android cannot be closed sourced, because it is based on Linux with is open source, using the GPL-2 copyright. Thinking you can take an open source program and make it closed source is either clueless and incompetient or lying - take your pick[/citation]
agreed
agreed
[citation][nom]everygamer[/nom]Mac OSX is built on Free BSD, which is partly an open source platform. So without open source you wouldn't have OSX.Microsoft Windows is really the only true closed source platform left in the industry, and they are still 85% of the desktop market share. That said, most standards today are generally driven by open source technologies, so the standards that all of these systems are built upon largely came from open source development.[/citation]
You imply that there is something open-source about Apple's operating systems, and nothing could be further from the truth. Being based on what was originally an open source kernel doesn't make your software open source. You are required to license what they provide, and you can't have access to the code. That's not "open source". Apple's system is the most closed there is in that you are required to purchase much of what you use on their devices from them. (You are required to buy one of their devices, even, to use their OS - how is that remotely "open source"?)
You imply that there is something open-source about Apple's operating systems, and nothing could be further from the truth. Being based on what was originally an open source kernel doesn't make your software open source. You are required to license what they provide, and you can't have access to the code. That's not "open source". Apple's system is the most closed there is in that you are required to purchase much of what you use on their devices from them. (You are required to buy one of their devices, even, to use their OS - how is that remotely "open source"?)
[citation][nom]kawininjazx[/nom]Maybe closed source isn't a bad thing. Think about it, Ubuntu is really nice, but you have to be a power user to get everything working right and you have to occasionally figure out problems with it. When you compare it to Windows or OSX, it is not nearly as solid.[/citation]
Making software work right has nothing to do with the source being open or closed.
Making software work right has nothing to do with the source being open or closed.
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]soccerplayer88[/nom]Closed source prevents innovation. We'd still be stuck with Commodore 64's with that logic.[/citation]
Closed source stifles innovation in some areas, but it does not prevent it completely. Remember, Windows and other Microsoft software such as Office are closed source, but are the most prevalent in the industry. Besides that, you're using one of the better historical computers as a basis for junk. Pretty faulty logic in both ways here.
[citation][nom]leberama[/nom]Android is using the Linux kernel. To do so, Google must abide by the open source rules set by Linus Torvalds (the patent holder of Linux). Google cannot hide or make anything is does with Linux private. Google cannot patent any code that is based on Linux. Android will always be open source as long as it is built on Linux. Thank you Mr. Torvalds for the greatest gift in computer science.[/citation]
Anyone can make a version of Linux, copyright it, and make it closed source. If they modify the kernel or make their own then they can also copyright their kernel. I'm not sure, but I think Red Hat is closed source and it's Linux.
Closed source stifles innovation in some areas, but it does not prevent it completely. Remember, Windows and other Microsoft software such as Office are closed source, but are the most prevalent in the industry. Besides that, you're using one of the better historical computers as a basis for junk. Pretty faulty logic in both ways here.
[citation][nom]leberama[/nom]Android is using the Linux kernel. To do so, Google must abide by the open source rules set by Linus Torvalds (the patent holder of Linux). Google cannot hide or make anything is does with Linux private. Google cannot patent any code that is based on Linux. Android will always be open source as long as it is built on Linux. Thank you Mr. Torvalds for the greatest gift in computer science.[/citation]
Anyone can make a version of Linux, copyright it, and make it closed source. If they modify the kernel or make their own then they can also copyright their kernel. I'm not sure, but I think Red Hat is closed source and it's Linux.
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[citation][nom]slicedtoad[/nom]what about osx? it's linux based. and certainly not open source.[/citation]
First the kernel on the Mac OS X is not based on linux. It's based on the Mach Kernel and certain parts of FreeBSD and NetBSD. Also the kernel of the Mac OS X, the XNU, is open source.
First the kernel on the Mac OS X is not based on linux. It's based on the Mach Kernel and certain parts of FreeBSD and NetBSD. Also the kernel of the Mac OS X, the XNU, is open source.
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[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Closed source stifles innovation in some areas, but it does not prevent it completely. Remember, Windows and other Microsoft software such as Office are closed source, but are the most prevalent in the industry. Besides that, you're using one of the better historical computers as a basis for junk. Pretty faulty logic in both ways here.Anyone can make a version of Linux, copyright it, and make it closed source. If they modify the kernel or make their own then they can also copyright their kernel. I'm not sure, but I think Red Hat is closed source and it's Linux.As has been stated previously, OSX is based on FreeBSD Apple has their own kernel too. The whole thing is closed source and probably the most closed modern computing platform, excluding some other devices.[/citation]
The source code of linux is protected by GNU GPL, FreeBSD uses a BSD license. GNU GPL forces that all derived products must use the same license, so Android kernel will always have to be published using GNU GPL. Google will have to create it's own kernel or use a kernel that doesn't employ the GNU GPL license.
Also RHEL is a proprietary OS, but it's still a open source OS.
Again the kernel of the Mac OS X is open source.
The source code of linux is protected by GNU GPL, FreeBSD uses a BSD license. GNU GPL forces that all derived products must use the same license, so Android kernel will always have to be published using GNU GPL. Google will have to create it's own kernel or use a kernel that doesn't employ the GNU GPL license.
Also RHEL is a proprietary OS, but it's still a open source OS.
Again the kernel of the Mac OS X is open source.
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