HP Pulling Out of Windows RT Race... Over Surface?

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cscott_it

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I think it was because of the shortcomings in their OEM offerings. Not because of their "weaknesses".

It may mean more or less the same thing, but when you read it, you get the difference. Google is a good example, sometimes if you want it done right - you have to do it yourself. Hopefully they can offer something intuitive and groundbreaking compared to their partners, something that adds another player so that all of the tablet makers have to redouble their efforts and push things farther.

 

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In all honesty we've seen what the oems can offer and they can be damn, DAMN lazy! Leave Windows RT to Microsoft and announce the new 2770p along with a nice new x86 wacom tablet.

Also, HP, please, DO NOT simply drop an Atom based WIndows 8 tablet like the HP Slate 500 and Slate 2 as they were both tragically underpowered devices.

Personally I'd like a nice new 2170p with a screen that's a tablet so I can use all the fantastic docking stations, peripherals and BB09/CC09 extended batteries. 32+ hours of battery life anyone? But... HP probably won't do that as it makes too much sense.
 

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[citation][nom]cscott_it[/nom]I think it was because of the shortcomings in their OEM offerings. Not because of their "weaknesses".It may mean more or less the same thing, but when you read it, you get the difference. Google is a good example, sometimes if you want it done right - you have to do it yourself. Hopefully they can offer something intuitive and groundbreaking compared to their partners, something that adds another player so that all of the tablet makers have to redouble their efforts and push things farther.[/citation]

Couldn't agree more. Apple's success in the phone and tablet market isn't due to Apple doing anything particularly new or daunting, it's due to the competition not doing anything right at all.
 

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Dropping Windows RT for Android? That doesn't sound like a good decision at all. Just look at the Android tablet numbers - the first generation iPad probably outsold them combined.
 

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"Microsoft’s incompetent management and Apple envy earned the enmity of their largest partner, and others are following closely," SemiAccurate writes. "Like we said, game over for Windows RT."

This does not surprise me in the least. It won't be the first time they have said this about something and it won't be the last.

An aside-
Kevin - why are you sourcing SemiAccurate? Wouldn't that be like sourcing AnandTech or XbitLabs?
I mean, it just seems like you could do better, like the opinion piece you wrote.
I enjoyed that and overall I enjoy your journalism, maybe I'm just being an overcritical douche.
 
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Who cares about HP anyway. They are the worst offenders of putting bloatware onto their PC's. WinRt restricts this completely, so no wonder. They will do the same with Jelly Bean and their tablets will suck. Good luck HP. I advise everyone I know to stay away from your junk bloatware infested computers, and will do the same with your tablets.
 

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This marks the day where OEM's will collaborate with Google to create/expand support for an alternate X86 client OS (Chrome OS) for PC. I say within five (5) years a Google X86 client OS will be supported by the above mentioned OEM'S for Business and End User units.
 

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I have never loved an HP computer that I have used, (nor do I love my Mac I am typing this on). But lets face it MS's distribution partners have been partners for a long time, Why should they bendo over backward for a product where they are being royally messed around.

Apple screwing distribution partners in Europe and going into direct competition with them!

Google Nexus model, Google works with one partner to raise the bar, it does not sink competition, and the partner varies.
 

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[citation][nom]Pinhedd[/nom]Couldn't agree more. Apple's success in the phone and tablet market isn't due to Apple doing anything particularly new or daunting, it's due to the competition not doing anything right at all.[/citation]

the first 2 gens of iphone, yes, that was the case, the everything after is partially they did it right first, and apple sheep.

[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]Dropping Windows RT for Android? That doesn't sound like a good decision at all. Just look at the Android tablet numbers - the first generation iPad probably outsold them combined.[/citation]

windows rt is basically a brand new os without any apps, and there is already a giant making a damn near impossible to beat version of it. its smart to drop the rt line, because all they would do is make the ms one look better.

 

CaedenV

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so... MS makes their own tablet, HP gets miffed and jumps ship, and from what I am reading in the comments HPs consumers simply say 'dont let the door hit you on the way out!'

It seems to me HP, a company that was going to axe every single end-user product line just a few months ago, simply cannot make a good device, or sell it for a profit. They are the ones that need to wake up and change.
 

CaedenV

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[citation][nom]zcpro[/nom]This marks the day where OEM's will collaborate with Google to create/expand support for an alternate X86 client OS (Chrome OS) for PC. I say within five (5) years a Google X86 client OS will be supported by the above mentioned OEM'S for Business and End User units.[/citation]
Google dosn't need an x86 OS. All the programs they have live in ARM space, so why bother moving to a new platform?
 

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Char-lie is just being an a*s*s as usual. Because the Surface RT uses Nvidia he has to hate it. And because of the usual anti-nvidia bias he loves to create pure fictional stories about how it will fail or how it will be the downfall for the company who carries it. For some reason other sites (like this one) pick up. I have no idea why they do.

Char-LIES articles are mostly-inaccurate. And if Nvidia is involved very-inaccurate.
 

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No big deal. I don't really get how Windows RT is supposed to compete against Android and iOS anyway. With all the handicaps and business features removed it seems like it's a flop waiting to happen. Of course a company like HP can't come out and say that without angering Microsoft. Blaming their pull out on the Surface RT tablet hardware doesn't have the same negative consequences as trashing the OS as a whole. What this story tells me is that HP did the market research that Microsoft has not and discovered their customers don't want to switch away from Android or iOS on a tablet. I applaud HP for doing their homework.

Now for the x86 tablets, the Surface Pro is something I've been waiting for for quite some time. We've had attempts that come close in the Asus EP121 and Samsung Series 7 Slate. Both attempts failed on that successful removable keyboard transformation ability, and both machines failed on the power front with their aggressive CPU throttling. The Fujitsu Q550 and HP Slate were both garbage given their poorly performing Atom CPUs. If HP wants to cry and complain about the Surface Pro then they need to step up to the plate and start competing. The stuff coming from them has been terrible lately. I hope they intend to put some serious resources to their x86 projects and not make the same mistakes made in the past. PC offerings in the work/design/graphics tablet space have been bad enough to make me consider an Apple modbook.
 

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[citation][nom]bigdragon[/nom]No big deal. I don't really get how Windows RT is supposed to compete against Android and iOS anyway. With all the handicaps and business features removed it seems like it's a flop waiting to happen. Of course a company like HP can't come out and say that without angering Microsoft. Blaming their pull out on the Surface RT tablet hardware doesn't have the same negative consequences as trashing the OS as a whole. What this story tells me is that HP did the market research that Microsoft has not and discovered their customers don't want to switch away from Android or iOS on a tablet. I applaud HP for doing their homework.[/citation]

Agreed. Considering that Windows RT has essentially no advantage over ios/android, and many disadvantages, I'm surprised any OEM was stupid enough to even consider it.
 
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Windows RT, with its $85 OEM license fee, virtually non-existing app eco-system, no compeling features, essentially has zero reason for the customers to buy. Everyone knows that, including Microsoft itself. Microsoft is gambling on the strength of its x86 OS will draw people into buying x86 tablets and from there, hopefully, the developers will cross-compile Metro app for RT and build up the eco-system from there. I think they could have done more for their x86 Windows 8 though, such as including a onscreen touchpad for mouse movement, and a fully customizable keyboard layout that can specify which keys to appear at which portion of the screen anywhere on the tablet. Both features will become immensely useful in the desktop mode. And desktop mode is the only reason most people will be buying x86 tablets at the beginning.
 

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Not surprised. I don't think any OEM has the drive to make something as good as the Surface. If they would've half assed it it's best to just pull out so good move on HP and consumers I'd say
 

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Not surprised a bit. If your could search Tom's blogs on the M$ tablet, Ive been saying this thing is a dog since day one. In a filed that is as mature as the tablet or even the smartphone market. You don't need a Me-two product. If iOS 6.0 is any good and AT&T ever wakes the freak up and build out its LTE network to cover say Portland, Surface x86 is DOA. Why, you ask. If can have a nice form factor, excellent screen, easy to use, with a 700 MHz bandwidth LTE hitting 20-30 MB/s or WiFi to access free or very cheap apps and/or powerful web based programs; I'll take that over an underpowered Ultrabook with a craptacular keybored in a market that is already oversaturated and costs $100 with another $400 for software to work with Metro. Metro by the way looks like something Picasso and the other cubists created after a few absinthes riding around on the Metro. Even Intel knows the PC is dead. They aren't building a new $4 billion fab plant for SoC processors in Oregon for nothing. If I was Apple or Google/Android, it the soon to be released Intel smartphone then their tablet, I'd be afraid of. Microsoft... you did pretty good of getting 35 years out of a company and making billions off product that you bought for $50,000. Well played; my hat is off to you!
 

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Not surprised a bit. If your could search Tom's blogs on the M$ tablet, Ive been saying this thing is a dog since day one. In a filed that is as mature as the tablet or even the smartphone market. You don't need a Me-two product. If iOS 6.0 is any good and AT&T ever wakes the freak up and build out its LTE network to cover say Portland, Surface x86 is DOA. Why, you ask. If can have a nice form factor, excellent screen, easy to use, with a 700 MHz bandwidth LTE hitting 20-30 MB/s or WiFi to access free or very cheap apps and/or powerful web based programs; I'll take that over an underpowered Ultrabook with a craptacular keybored in a market that is already oversaturated and costs $100 with another $400 for software to work with Metro. Metro by the way looks like something Picasso and the other cubists created after a few absinthes riding around on the Metro. Even Intel knows the PC is dead. They aren't building a new $4 billion fab plant for SoC processors in Oregon for nothing. If I was Apple or Google/Android, it the soon to be released Intel smartphone then their tablet, I'd be afraid of. Microsoft... you did pretty good of getting 35 years out of a company and making billions off product that you bought for $50,000. Well played; my hat is off to you!
 

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[citation][nom]erunion[/nom]I'd rather see OEMs do a two tier X86 lineup anyways. One Atom, one Core.[/citation]Atom? In the days of practically everything on a mobile device being hardware-accelerated or otherwise GPU-happy? Atom makes even HD2000 look overpowered. How about Brazos-T for the budget models, and Core for the elites. Now that's more like it!
 

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[citation][nom]duncanmoo[/nom]I have never loved an HP computer that I have used, (nor do I love my Mac I am typing this on). But lets face it MS's distribution partners have been partners for a long time, Why should they bendo over backward for a product where they are being royally messed around.Apple screwing distribution partners in Europe and going into direct competition with them!Google Nexus model, Google works with one partner to raise the bar, it does not sink competition, and the partner varies.[/citation]Wait what? MS is royally messing around, but Google is "raising the bar"? I call BS. What Google is doing is no different! They were tired of all the lackluster Android tablets, and Amazon was getting the vast majority of the low-end sales. If anything the Google tablet, especially at $200, will cannibalize sales of non-Nexus Android tablets, and will even piss off Amazon in the process.

The MS tablets do the same thing, competing with partners because they felt they needed to release some decent hardware (their partners like HP were failsauce). But at least MS is pricing these tablets high enough to leave plenty of space in both the RT and x86 markets. HP just isn't capable of pulling it off right now... look at their previous efforts.
 
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