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So I'm just fed up with trying to fix up my gaming computer since the mobo is hard to find and dicontinued. So i have a budget of around 600$ and the gaming computers are all so similar so i will give you a list of links of the computers I looked at and also if you have any suggestions of pre-built gaming computers I will look at them. Sorry for the very long list but I thank you for taking a look into it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258019
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227467
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229437
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220257
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227476
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258007
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229436
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227495
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227424
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227442
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229435
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227477
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227478
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227475
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229362
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258020&Tpk=avatar%20fx6164
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4959030&Sku=C477-G1411
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4959030&CatId=114
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7847200&CatId=114
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=851772&CatId=114
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4959021&CatId=114
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7847199&CatId=114
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4990240&CatId=114
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=851771&CatId=114
 
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well if you choose the same computer type from the parts picker it will cost more since usually newegg and tiger direct or others have their items on a sale. I'm looking into these computers

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229437

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258019

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229435

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227475

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229362

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4959030&Sku=C477-G1411
 
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Oh. You are looking for a pre-built. I thought you were looking for parts to build one.
Stay away from the 1st gen Buldozer processors. Those are the ones with a "1" in their name; 4100, 6100, etc.
Pick one of the FX-6300s. The one with the HD 7750 gfx card will be the better gamer. But even the HD 7750 is only good for 720p resolutions with high-ish settings. Try to find one with at least a HD 7790 if you game at 1080p.
Here's a hierarchy chart (last page) of gaming cards: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-2.html
 
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Well i was probably going to get this pre built computer

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227475

So what would you say about that processor since it has a "1" in it. Since I don't mind playing games on lowest settings because I'm used to playing it like that but would you say you could at least run games like Battlefield 3 or Assassin's creed 3 smoothly on lowest graphics? And what exactly would putting in a higher psu, since i looked at the graphics card from the manufacturer website and it said it recommends a 400w power supply or higher but it comes with a cheap 300w psu, does it increases performance?

And if you would say that computer would not be the best choice then I could get this desktop

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229362

But the downside of this computer is that I've researched the graphics card and turns out to do poorly so i would need to replace the gpu, and the psu seems to be adequate of watts, since I don't overclock.

I originally planned to get this gaming desktop http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229437
but i wanted something with a lower price tag but still could get it. The graphics card would be good enough for me as well as the cpu model is not containing of the '1' series. But i just couldn't finds any reviews anywhere but the specifications seem to deem it as a good computer.
 
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The 1st generation Bulldozer processors (Zambezi) are inferior to the 2nd generation (Vishera). The FX-41xx and FX-61xx are 1st gen. The FX-43xx and FX-63xx are 2nd gen. Either generation processors will be fine for gaming. I'm only speaking on a comparative scale. The 1st gen run hotter and provide slightly less gaming power.

The weak spot in your first two choices is the gfx card. It doesn't matter how fast the processor is, if it doesn't have a fast gfx card... it will game poorly. Gaming is mostly about the gfx card. If you don't play games at resolutions above 1366x768, then the last choice would be fine. The first two choices would struggle to keep up even at that resolution with the cards they have in them.

The wattage of the PSU has no bearing on gaming performance directly. But as gfx cards get more powerful, they need a more powerful PSU to supply them with power. And to add to your confusion, you can't always go by the wattage rating on the PSU. The +12V rail (circuit) is what most of the PC's major components use. That needs to be adequate.

Since you're buying a pre-built, the PSUs provided are more than likely adequate for the components in the system. But upgarding the gfx card in the future may require changing the PSU. So for the least hassle, your 3rd choice would be the best of the three... and therefore the most expensive.

Do you know the resolution of your monitor?
 
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Well, no wonder. Integrated graphics. Even your old PC would seem like a lean, mean gaming machine if it had a good card. Either your old PC or a new one won't make you happy @ 1080p unless it has a decent gfx card in it. For high-ish settings at 1920x1080 resolution, you need at least:
Nvidia: GTX 560, 650 Ti
AMD: HD 5850, 6870, 7790

Use the gfx card hierarchy chart: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html
 
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Well if I did put a graphics card in there, how would my computer handle it because i have tried 2 video card which were cheap and my integrated was better than the cheap ones since i have a lot of computer parts and 6 computers including mine which more than half don't run but they are all from the windows xp age and worse than the one I use at the moment . I have a Pentium processor which how would that do If i put a graphics card and of course, changed the psu since i never see gaming rigs have Pentiums. And about the mobo, what impact does it do to help, And lastly, would't my chipset not be the best? It's just I can't really see my computer playing games since it's more of an office computer. And I forgot, like I said earlier, I don't mind if I have to play on the lowest graphics since i jsut want something that plays smooth, I would be fine if it could play at medium or low since playing games at 10 fps, not fun.
 
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According to the links you posted, you have a Core 2 Duo E6700, a 3.2GHZ dual core. Armed with either of those cards I posted above, you should get smooth frame rates at 1080p resolution with medium settings. Higher settings maybe if your monitor is of lower resolution... 1600x900, 1400x900, 1366x768, etc. It all depends how much you want to spend. I was just giving you an alternative to buying a pre-built.

Which cards have you tried that were less effective that the integrated? They must have been pretty weak.
 
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Very annoying since i had to a lot typed and had to retype this because i accidentally clicked back but I'll retype it :p
So what I first said was that i recently upgraded to this hp monitor and the one I had before was a Neovo f-419. It was working fine and great it's just I sought for a larger monitor and I though the large monitor was weird as first but I got used to it. http://au.agneovo.com/au/content/f-419.asp

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824163129

For the graphics card, I can't find the old gfx but it was an old small one from an old Compaq Presario from about 10+ years ago. What was weird about it was that I installed the drivers for it and when i booted my computer up, my whole computer lagged and lagging as in moving my mouse around the screen it was all choppy and when I took it out all was fine again. For the second graphic card, I have that at hand, it is a MSI NX7300LE-TD128EH and I have the V027 version of it. It is on the same level as my integrated graohics on the list, but the integrated turned out to be better.

http://us.msi.com/product/vga/NX7300LE-TD128EH.html

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127273

I also remembered that I have a Gigabyte GV-NX85T512HP which is better than my integrated but not the best as what you suggested me. I looked at some videos of it and it could play games that demand a good gfx on lowest settings. But I would still get a better gfx. http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=2574#ov

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125065

So what gfx would you recommend that's around 250$ since i have my eyes on the one you recommended. What would you say about used graphic cards like a $300 graphic card sold for 150$ or $200 as used?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130910

and I don't now what's wrong with today, I had to retype this twice since of accidentally clicking back and don't leave a reply unsaved because when it auto locks your computer it erases your reply. They need to make a auto save for drafts on this website.
 
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Well I am still deciding about my computer and a new one since Clutchc is helping me here (I VERY much thank you for your help and knowledge in this so far). But that is at $600, I am considering getting a graphics card for my computer see how it does and if it wont work on my computer then I'll buy the cheaper one I have posted in some earlier posts and use the graphics card in the new computer. But thanks for the suggestion.
 
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My gosh, those older cards are all extremely low-end cards. No comparison. They are nothing compared to the mid-range cards available today. And on a 1280x1084 monitor, that GTX 650ti Boost you linked to will allow you to game at max settings in any game out today... even with that old C2D processor. Keep in mind the GTX 650ti Boost will be slightly bottle necked by the old processor, but you won't notice gaming at 1280x1024. And the card can move to a new PC when you are ready. So, it's not like it's wasted.

Unless you have some other problems with your existing PC, I would just upgrade to the new card, save a bunch of money, and enjoy! None of those pre-builts with their weak cards will game as good as the old dual core you have now and a fast new card.

Now, if you were to buy one of those pre-builts with that same 650ti Boost card, that would be a different story. But as long as you are gaming on that small monitor, You will get great satisfaction at much lower cost with upgrading the card. (I'm surprised you didn't get a wide screen monitor when you bought new)

If you decide on keeping the old PC and upgrading the card, I'll give you some clean-up pointers to make sure your system is at top condition for gaming with a new card.
 
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Yeah those graphic cards were pretty bad, but I'll save money, so I think I'll go with buying the GeForce GTX 650 Ti boost. And now for the history of my pc. I bought it a year ago in the summer on craigslist for $200 which that was a great deal. The guy said he didn't use it a lot and nothing wrong with it. What was nice was that he was an IT so he factory reset the computer and it was like a new computer, along with the basic hp keyboard which is awesome since the keys stick out to be not very flat like a laptop nor high like other keyboards but it right in the middle which i very much like. I have had no problems with this computer at all, a very good and reliable pc. And I could change to the Neovo, but what would you say if I put the game in the 1280x1024 resolution on the 23" hp monitor would it run on high settings? And now that I look at that Gefore gtx 650 ti boost, that's a really good deal. So now for the power supply, What would you recommend which i have a few links, I'm looking for cheap but not junk.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817154026

now for this one I'm kind of confused, I have a 20 pin for the main cord right now and a p4 4 pin for the atx 12 volt but for this one on the bottom it has a 24 pin with no p4 4 pin, is the extra 4 pins in the main cord supply the power for the atx 12 volts?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817494002

Well I'm not sure if these 2 psu have the all the correct connection ports so whatever power supply you would recommend, I'll take a look at it. Oh and my psu is the very popular stock the 250 watt Bestec ATX-250-12Z.
 
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First off, my apologies for the monitor mix-up. I thought you only had the 19". I had to scroll back up and re-read the part about the 23" wide-screen. If you are going to game at 1920x1080, the C2D processor will indeed begin to bottle-neck the card at that higher resolution. But I still feel it will end up being a better gamer than one of the new pre-builts with their weaker cards.

Yes, you can game at one of several resolutions less than 1080p. But you don't have to go that low. The 1080p displays scale nicely to one of the 720p resolutions (1366x768 for example). But you probably won't have to do that. Just back off on some of the eye candy settings a bit and stay at 1080p if frame rates get jerky.

As to the PSU; yes you will need to replace the tiny one you have now if you go for the GTX 650ti. Unfortunately, I can't recommend either of those you linked to. Here is a tiered hierarchy list of quality PSUs: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
And here is a PSU calculator you can use: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
You're probably looking at something in the 450W - 500W range minimum. But one of good quality. I've had good results with these two in my budget builds:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016
I wouldn't go any "cheaper" than those.

As to the MB connectors; according to your links, this is the MB in your HP PC: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01903990&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en#N74
It has a conventional 24 pin power connector for the MB power and a 4 pin connector for the CPU power. Those are quite standard connections. Any modern ATX power supply will have those. You may see a PSU's CPU power cable appear to have an 8 pin connector, but it simply separates into a 4+4 pin connector for use in either.

 
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I think I will go with the Rosewill Green Series since that is cheaper by a little and at regular price its higher than the other. I keep seeing that the gfx says you need to have a PCI-E 3.0 16x, like is my motherboard compatible and what is the 3.0 stand for? Also I just measured the dimensions of the gfx to my motherboard and it goes all the way across since it is 9.5 inches long and i found an obstacle. If you look in the link to my motherboard (well actually just look at the pictures :p)you gave me I have the cd drive sata cord in the light blue port and the hard drive sata cord is in the dark blue port. Just unsure if anything will happen if I move the hard drive sata cord to the orange port, like will it still be the same when i move it to the orange port and boot up my computer after I've placed it? But other than that I think it will still fit, I will have some pictures which in some I have put in red line markers to show the height area the gfx will take, he second pic the length I didn't do so that's not how long it it but it goes up to those bios thing with the blue covers on them.

sw6a.jpg

dsp6.jpg

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Yes, you can move SATA devices to different SATA headers. SATA isn't like PATE IDE that requires master/slave relationships. Just enter BIOS afterward and verify the drives are still in their correct boot order. I just hope moving the cables that short of a distance will add enough room for longer cards. If not, you could try right-angle SATA connectors. Ex: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200050
They come in left/right versions. So you need to see which way works best for your situation.
The card may clear anyway. Those cables look flexible for folding flat, and cards have a bit of clearance under themselves anyway.

On your pic with the red lines, That is almost perfect width of a wide card. They will extend almost to the leading edge of the next slot. I think now looking a little closer... you'll only have to worry about the dk. blue SATA header. The lt. blue should clear.

Great pics, btw. Nice and clear.
 
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Nothing went wrong, and everything is the same . I changed the hard drive sata to the orange port and I'm now positive that the gfx will fit, and i have several of the right/left angle sata connectors in my computer parts box. And about the pictures, the camera is the Cannon powershot SX150 IS, very good picture quality ;).
 
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I have Gigabyte HD 7770 OC almost latest and work very best The Gigabyte HD series is powered by AMD Radeon HD 7770GHz edition GPU and it is also integrated with 1GB GDDR5 memory and 128-bit memory interface which is pretty descent in its class. Its clock rate is 1100MHz though its System power supply requirement is 450W.
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The Gigabyte HD series is powered by AMD Radeon HD 7770GHz edition GPU and it is also integrated with 1GB GDDR5 memory and 128-bit memory interface which is pretty descent in its class. Its clock rate is 1100MHz though its System power supply requirement is 450W.
 
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I forgot to answer your one question, I think...
PCIe is backward compatible. A PCIe 3.0 card will work fine in your MB. It has a single PCIe X16 slot. The black slot in your pic. PCI Express is an interface standard mainly designed for gfx cards, but also is used for other peripherals. The version number following the term is just the different advancements the std has made over the years. The "x16" designates the bandwidth of the slot. The basic ones are x1, x4, x8, and x16... all increasing in bandwidth.
 
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I have ordered the psu and gfx from newegg, can't wait to get them! I will post some pics up of how it looks like in the computer and tell you on how well it does on my testings. Thank you very much clutchc for helping!!!
 
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