Build Advice Input welcome for upgrading my computer ?

[Mr.CJ]

Dear all,

I will be upgrading my system and would very much appreciate any input on my thoughts here

My old build is now ancient and I cannot invest time in troubleshooting, so I am upgrading.

Old Build:
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Monitor: AOC 27" something 1080p 144Hz
Motherboard: ASUS MAXIMUS VIII RANGER
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K Skylake
GPU: Palit GeForce GTX 1070 Super JetStream - 8GB GDDR5
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 DC 16GB
Storage: Samsung 870 EVO 500GB SSD (OS)
Storage 2: Kingston NV2 M.2 NVMe SSD, 2TB (Storage)
Power supply: Cooler Master V 750W
Case: Fractal Design Define S Black

New build I am thinking of, and what I am interested in input on:

New Build:
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit (reuse)
Monitor: AOC 27" something 1080p 144Hz and a Samsung curved 34" 3,440 x 1,440
Motherboard: Not decided (LGA1700/AM5)
CPU: Not decided (13th/14th gen I5 or 7xxxsomething)
GPU: Most likely 4070 ti super
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 DC 16GB or new DDR5 memory if needed
Storage: Samsung 870 EVO 500GB SSD (OS) (reuse)
Storage 2: Kingston NV2 M.2 NVMe SSD, 2TB (Storage)(reuse)
Power supply: Cooler Master V 750W (reuse)
Case: Fractal Design Define S Black (reuse)

So, in short, I am curious about motherboard and CPU. I read that AMD is cheaper and better for gaming, but when checking benchmarks intel usually wins on both price and performance. I am probably missing something, so please fill in the blanks. I am now leaning towards a 13th or 14th gen i5 with a motherboard that has PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 as I interpret it to be fitter for the future, however, I also read that there is no such thing as future-proofing as this build would likely last years and I would likely have to upgrade the mobo anyway. I also read that DDR5 does not impact gaming. Input here would of course be appreciated. My budget is not set, but I am aiming for a sweet spot in price to get the most bang for my buck. The GPU will of course be the winner here and I believe the 4070 ti super to be fit for longevity. I can of course go for earlier generations if the gain in recent gen is negligible compared to price.

I never dabbled in overclocking on RAM or CPU on my last build, so I guess I don't need a mobo that supports that, unless there are obvious positive aspects here?

I have an ASUS wifi card I can reuse, so I am not dependent on the mobo having onboard wifi, but I guess most of them have it these days.

I believe my PSU should still be sufficient for a 4070 ti build, but if there are things to take into consideration as it is an older PSU. please lay it on me

Every input is valuable to me, please fire all you got.

Best regards,
CJ

 

[Lutfij]

Power supply: Cooler Master V 750W (reuse)
How old is the PSU in your build?

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[Why_Me]

Dear all,

I will be upgrading my system and would very much appreciate any input on my thoughts here

My old build is now ancient and I cannot invest time in troubleshooting, so I am upgrading.

Old Build:
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Monitor: AOC 27" something 1080p 144Hz
Motherboard: ASUS MAXIMUS VIII RANGER
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K Skylake
GPU: Palit GeForce GTX 1070 Super JetStream - 8GB GDDR5
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 DC 16GB
Storage: Samsung 870 EVO 500GB SSD (OS)
Storage 2: Kingston NV2 M.2 NVMe SSD, 2TB (Storage)
Power supply: Cooler Master V 750W
Case: Fractal Design Define S Black

New build I am thinking of, and what I am interested in input on:

New Build:
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit (reuse)
Monitor: AOC 27" something 1080p 144Hz and a Samsung curved 34" 3,440 x 1,440
Motherboard: Not decided (LGA1700/AM5)
CPU: Not decided (13th/14th gen I5 or 7xxxsomething)
GPU: Most likely 4070 ti super
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 DC 16GB or new DDR5 memory if needed
Storage: Samsung 870 EVO 500GB SSD (OS) (reuse)
Storage 2: Kingston NV2 M.2 NVMe SSD, 2TB (Storage)(reuse)
Power supply: Cooler Master V 750W (reuse)
Case: Fractal Design Define S Black (reuse)

So, in short, I am curious about motherboard and CPU. I read that AMD is cheaper and better for gaming, but when checking benchmarks intel usually wins on both price and performance. I am probably missing something, so please fill in the blanks. I am now leaning towards a 13th or 14th gen i5 with a motherboard that has PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 as I interpret it to be fitter for the future, however, I also read that there is no such thing as future-proofing as this build would likely last years and I would likely have to upgrade the mobo anyway. I also read that DDR5 does not impact gaming. Input here would of course be appreciated. My budget is not set, but I am aiming for a sweet spot in price to get the most bang for my buck. The GPU will of course be the winner here and I believe the 4070 ti super to be fit for longevity. I can of course go for earlier generations if the gain in recent gen is negligible compared to price.

I never dabbled in overclocking on RAM or CPU on my last build, so I guess I don't need a mobo that supports that, unless there are obvious positive aspects here?

I have an ASUS wifi card I can reuse, so I am not dependent on the mobo having onboard wifi, but I guess most of them have it these days.

I believe my PSU should still be sufficient for a 4070 ti build, but if there are things to take into consideration as it is an older PSU. please lay it on me

Every input is valuable to me, please fire all you got.

Best regards,
CJ

What country are you located, what is your budget, what is your monitor resolution and what components would you like to reuse?

 

[Mr.CJ]

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Approximate Purchase Date: Flexible

Budget Range: Flexible, aiming for a sweet spot between cost and performance

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, investing, surfing the internet, productivity)

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: CPU, mobo, possibly RAM Aiming for a 4070ti super **reusing Coolermaster V750w from 2016, if eligible. seems to still be in production, but I am not sure if there are changes**

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Don't care. Must be Norwegian though. Probably easier to recommend me the item and I'll find it myself

Location: Bergen/Vestland/Norway

Power supply: Cooler Master V 750W (reuse)
How old is the PSU in your build?

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We can then move forward with constructive suggestions.

Parts Preferences: no preference, leaning towards Intel

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 3,440 x 1,440

Additional Comments: NIL

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Old computer needs troubleshooting and I do not have the time or means for that.

Include a list of any parts you have already selected with descriptively labeled links for parts: With reference to the parts I listed as reusing, at the beginning of the thread

 

[Mr.CJ]

What country are you located, what is your budget, what is your monitor resolution and what components would you like to reuse?

Located in Norway. My budget is flexible, but I am always interested in the most bang for my buck. Screen resolution is 3,440 x 1,440 and I am aiming for a 4070ti super. Components to reuse is as listed in the initial post, PSU, case, storage and RAM, if not recommended to upgrade to DDR5. I understand that my setup when posting was not ideal as it is was not recognizable.

 

[35below0]

You might want to look at Crucial CL40 ram. It's DDR5 and fast enough without any overclocking, and it can be overclocked to ludicrous speeds. Check the motherboard for supported DDR5 speeds!

Gigabyte's Ultra Durable motherboard is good, without any extra features that inflate the price. If you want wireless, take a look at UD AX or UD AC.
Aorus has better sound hardware, and doesn't cost that much more. I still don't know if it's worth it.

I lean towards intel but you will decide for yourself. I choose the i5 13600K for myself. It will be good enough for many years.

You'll need a CPU cooler. The Noctua NH-D15 is very good. And GARGANTUAN! Triple check your mobo/memory/case size allowance!

You don't need a case but for anyone reading, Fractal Design make cases that are comfortable to work in and look nice. North is an unusual but good looking design. Define is sensible.

You have a used power supply. It is good. If you need new, Seasonic or Fractal Design Ion+ 2 would be my recommendations if they offered ATX 3.0. While not critical now, it could come in handy 4-6 years from now.
Use a PSU calculator to check how much power you'll need.

Related to power, think about buying an extension cord with surge protection. 50 bucks spent saves 2000 bucks in damaged electronics.

You didn't ask for a monitor suggestion, but i'll throw this one out there: The Dell S3222DGM is good.

For a mechanical keyboard, try Viper V765. Sturdy, practical. Has a volume dial. (Also supports "nordic" keys, for what it's worth)
Steelseries make nice mice. I hear some people draw a rude image of genitalia on the underside screen of their Prime. That would be juvenile.

Shelf speakers? Edifier 1280T are shockingly worth the money. Very good sound. Comes with a remote.

Arozzi Aria headphones are very comfortable. Detachable mic included.


That's some gear to look into. I think it should be available. I live in Jyväskylä, Finland and had no problem ordering other than waiting for stuff to arrive.
Seems like you are replacing a good old build with something that will also be good for a number of years. In which case i advise shelling money on CPU and enough ram. 32gb is enough. i still bought 64 *sigh*
Just pick a dependable motherboard and you can get building.

 

[Why_Me]

You might want to look at Crucial CL40 ram. It's DDR5 and fast enough without any overclocking, and it can be overclocked to ludicrous speeds. Check the motherboard for supported DDR5 speeds!

Gigabyte's Ultra Durable motherboard is good, without any extra features that inflate the price. If you want wireless, take a look at UD AX or UD AC.
Aorus has better sound hardware, and doesn't cost that much more. I still don't know if it's worth it.

I lean towards intel but you will decide for yourself. I choose the i5 13600K for myself. It will be good enough for many years.

You'll need a CPU cooler. The Noctua NH-D15 is very good. And GARGANTUAN! Triple check your mobo/memory/case size allowance!

You don't need a case but for anyone reading, Fractal Design make cases that are comfortable to work in and look nice. North is an unusual but good looking design. Define is sensible.

You have a used power supply. It is good. If you need new, Seasonic or Fractal Design Ion+ 2 are recommended.
Use a PSU calculator to check how much power you'll need.

Related to power, think about buying an extension cord with surge protection. 50 bucks spent saves 2000 bucks in damaged electronics.

You didn't ask for a monitor suggestion, but i'll throw this one out there: The Dell S3222DGM is good.

For a mechanical keyboard, try Viper V765. Sturdy, practical. Has a volume dial.
Steelseries make nice mice. I hear some people draw a rude image of genitalia on the underside screen of their Prime. That would be juvenile.

Shelf speakers? Edifier 1280T are shockingly worth the money. Very good sound. Comes with a remote.

Arozzi Aria headphones are very comfortable. Detachable mic included.


That's some gear to look into. I think it should be available. I live in Jyväskylä, Finland and had no problem ordering other than waiting for stuff to arrive.
Seems like you are replacing a good old build with something that will also be good for a number of years. In which case i advise shelling money on CPU and enough ram. 32gb is enough. i still bought 64 *sigh*
Just pick a dependable motherboard and you can get building.

I got as far as the Crucial CL40. That's a bottleneck and then some.

 

[Why_Me]

You want a 850W ATX 3.0 psu for the RTX 4070 Ti 12GB / RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB.

The RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB is due for release next week and leaked benchmarks show that card being comparable to the RTX 4080 (non Super).
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4070-family/

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-gpu-benchmarks-leak-10-percent-faster-4070-ti/

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor (kr4690.00 @ Proshop)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler (kr872.00 @ Proshop)
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (kr2175.00 @ Proshop)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory (kr1549.00 @ Proshop)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (kr1590.00 @ Proshop)
Video Card: *Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (kr10399.00 @ Proshop)
Power Supply: *Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (kr1697.00 @ Proshop)
Total: kr22972.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-21 07:43 CET+0100

A better look at those components.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...formance-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2021/13067.shtml

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/mem...0mt-s-c30-memory-kit-black-cmk32gx5m2b6000c30

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn770-nvme-ssd?sku=WDS200T3X0E

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N407TSWF3OC-16GD#kf

https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/p/psu...ular-low-noise-atx-power-supply-cp-9020263-eu

 

[35below0]

I got as far as the Crucial CL40. That's a bottleneck and then some.

Why do you say the CL40 is a bottleneck and then some?

The corsair cl30 you suggested has slightly better ICs when it comes to overclocking, but otherwise both sticks are rated about equal at 4800 non-overclocked speeds.
Crucial CL40 is not bad or entry level garbage. Nor is it high end bleeding edge stuff. It's right in the middle, maybe a little bit cheaper and more ordinary but performing ok.

Your reputation suggests you know what you're talking about.

When i suggested the crucial i was thinking about the ram sticks the OP already has, and i was considering the potential limits of motherboards. The Gigabyte UD i recommended supports DDR-5 4800 out-of-the-box, and up to 7200Mhz with overclocking. But i thought the OP wasn't interested in overclocking memory to hell and back. So the RAM and motherboard pair up nicely.
Also, i own the Crucial CL40 so i can sort of recommend it credibly.

In my opinion, it just does it's job, it's small, has decent quality internals and it's fast. Certainly worth recommending. Is it going to throttle the 4070? Or the CPU?
The Corsair is blink-of-an-eye faster if overclocked. That is not a bottleneck. Maybe it will last a couple of years longer before becoming outdated. That's one advantage.


There's one other thing. You recommend the MSI B760. Why? Why not a Z790 chipset motherboard? I would go for the z790 if buying an intel CPU.

 

[Why_Me]

Why do you say the CL40 is a bottleneck and then some?

The corsair cl30 you suggested has slightly better ICs when it comes to overclocking, but otherwise both sticks are rated about equal at 4800 non-overclocked speeds.
Crucial CL40 is not bad or entry level garbage. Nor is it high end bleeding edge stuff. It's right in the middle, maybe a little bit cheaper and more ordinary but performing ok.

Your reputation suggests you know what you're talking about.

When i suggested the crucial i was thinking about the ram sticks the OP already has, and i was considering the potential limits of motherboards. The Gigabyte UD i recommended supports DDR-5 4800 out-of-the-box, and up to 7200Mhz with overclocking. But i thought the OP wasn't interested in overclocking memory to hell and back. So the RAM and motherboard pair up nicely.
Also, i own the Crucial CL40 so i can sort of recommend it credibly.

In my opinion, it just does it's job, it's small, has decent quality internals and it's fast. Certainly worth recommending. Is it going to throttle the 4070? Or the CPU?
The Corsair is blink-of-an-eye faster if overclocked. That is not a bottleneck. Maybe it will last a couple of years longer before becoming outdated. That's one advantage.


There's one other thing. You recommend the MSI B760. Why? Why not a Z790 chipset motherboard? I would go for the z790 if buying an intel CPU.

1. Games take advantage of low latency RAM. CL30 > CL40
2. The locked 13 / 14 gen i7's are a lot easier to tame as in keep cool.
3. You don't need a Z790 board with a locked 13 gen i7. Any B760 board with decent VRM's will work just fine.

 

[Mr.CJ]

You want a 850W ATX 3.0 psu for the RTX 4070 Ti 12GB / RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB.

The RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB is due for release next week and leaked benchmarks show that card being comparable to the RTX 4080 (non Super).
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4070-family/

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-gpu-benchmarks-leak-10-percent-faster-4070-ti/

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor (kr4690.00 @ Proshop)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler (kr872.00 @ Proshop)
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (kr2175.00 @ Proshop)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory (kr1549.00 @ Proshop)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (kr1590.00 @ Proshop)
Video Card: *Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (kr10399.00 @ Proshop)
Power Supply: *Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (kr1697.00 @ Proshop)
Total: kr22972.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-21 07:43 CET+0100

A better look at those components.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...formance-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2021/13067.shtml

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/mem...0mt-s-c30-memory-kit-black-cmk32gx5m2b6000c30

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn770-nvme-ssd?sku=WDS200T3X0E

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N407TSWF3OC-16GD#kf

https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/p/psu...ular-low-noise-atx-power-supply-cp-9020263-eu

Thank you very much for the reply. With regards to the CPU, will there be a bottleneck if I go for a i5 13600 or 13500? Will I be experiencing a notable difference? Benchmarking, suggests the increase in performance does not match the price increase, but I am not an expert benchmark reader.
With regards to Mobo, I see that this is a PCIe 4.0 and there is not a steep incline in price for a PCIe 5.0 Is it worth it, or not? Also curious if DDR4 will cut it or if there is a notable gain with DDR5?
With regards to cooling, would a liquid cooler be better or more quiet in general? Never had a liquid cooler before. Sounds cool.
With regards to the PSU, I see that the minimum reqs for a 4070ti is 750w, will I be experiencing a notable difference if I keep my old 750w PSU with a 4070ti super, and will I risk missing the required connectors?

Really appreciate any and all input

Cheers!

 

[Mr.CJ]

You might want to look at Crucial CL40 ram. It's DDR5 and fast enough without any overclocking, and it can be overclocked to ludicrous speeds. Check the motherboard for supported DDR5 speeds!

Gigabyte's Ultra Durable motherboard is good, without any extra features that inflate the price. If you want wireless, take a look at UD AX or UD AC.
Aorus has better sound hardware, and doesn't cost that much more. I still don't know if it's worth it.

I lean towards intel but you will decide for yourself. I choose the i5 13600K for myself. It will be good enough for many years.

You'll need a CPU cooler. The Noctua NH-D15 is very good. And GARGANTUAN! Triple check your mobo/memory/case size allowance!

You don't need a case but for anyone reading, Fractal Design make cases that are comfortable to work in and look nice. North is an unusual but good looking design. Define is sensible.

You have a used power supply. It is good. If you need new, Seasonic or Fractal Design Ion+ 2 are recommended.
Use a PSU calculator to check how much power you'll need.

Related to power, think about buying an extension cord with surge protection. 50 bucks spent saves 2000 bucks in damaged electronics.

You didn't ask for a monitor suggestion, but i'll throw this one out there: The Dell S3222DGM is good.

For a mechanical keyboard, try Viper V765. Sturdy, practical. Has a volume dial.
Steelseries make nice mice. I hear some people draw a rude image of genitalia on the underside screen of their Prime. That would be juvenile.

Shelf speakers? Edifier 1280T are shockingly worth the money. Very good sound. Comes with a remote.

Arozzi Aria headphones are very comfortable. Detachable mic included.


That's some gear to look into. I think it should be available. I live in Jyväskylä, Finland and had no problem ordering other than waiting for stuff to arrive.
Seems like you are replacing a good old build with something that will also be good for a number of years. In which case i advise shelling money on CPU and enough ram. 32gb is enough. i still bought 64 *sigh*
Just pick a dependable motherboard and you can get building.

Tyvm for the reply Any thoughts on sticking with DDR4 and if I would be loosing out, and how about a liquid cooler? Never had one, but sounds cool

Cheers

 

[geofelt]

Intel processors have a continuous gradation of price performance.
Take a look at the newly released I7-14700 processor.
It will turbo up to 5.4 vs. 5.2 for the 13700F that Why-Me mentioned.
In addition, it includes the stronger RD1 laminar flow cooler.
It is entirely suitable for the 65w i7-14700 processor.
Today, most, including gamers do not overclock. They allow the motherboard to boost a couple of cores above what an all core overclock can do.
Do not be penny wise and buy a F suffix processor. Having integrated graphics available can get you out of gpu issues.
As a plus, you get quick sync video:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_Video

Many choices really make little difference.
DDR4 and DDR5 performance is comparable.
You could reuse your 16gb if the total quantity is sufficient. It usually is, unless you are multitasking while gaming.
Most, today will buy a 2 x 16gb kit.
For the most part, speed means little. DDR5 speed is impressive, but is accompanied by higher latencies.
On a new build, I would go ddr5 and 2 x 16gb kit of 5000 speed ram.


Do not chase fast pcie 5.0 ssd devices unless you have the budget.

The value of ssd devices is in the small random i/o that we do 90% of the time.
We tend to do one i/o at a time.
Turns out that those times are very similar.
Glowing fast sequential benchmarks are done with queue depths of 32, not one.
These experts could not tell the difference between a sata ssd, m.2 or pcie device:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA


Go fast m.2 ssd when all your other parts are covered.

The psu you need is mostly gated by the graphics card you will use.
Initially, your gpu/psu combo is ok.
It has the advantage of working.
For the future, go bigger since the processors we are talking about can run much stronger cards.
850w or even more.
A psu only uses the power demanded of it regardless of the max capability.
Look only for quality. A 7 year or better warranty is one good indicator of quality.
And, since the ATX 3.0 standard is out, I would include that in my requirements.

 

[35below0]

1. Games take advantage of low latency RAM. CL30 > CL40
2. The locked 13 / 14 gen i7's are a lot easier to tame as in keep cool.
3. You don't need a Z790 board with a locked 13 gen i7. Any B760 board with decent VRM's will work just fine.

Ok, it's the latency. I see.

I'm not sure i agree on the chipset issue. the z790 isn't just about unlocking K series cpus, and it's not monstrously expensive. I see it as a safe purchase that will extend the usefulnes of the PC for very little cost. (Even if the usefulness is marginal)

Thank you for the answer.

Tyvm for the reply Any thoughts on sticking with DDR4 and if I would be loosing out, and how about a liquid cooler? Never had one, but sounds cool

Cheers

You could keep using your old ram until you noticed a need to upgrade. DDR5 is "better" but your existing ram will not hold your pc back much until a few years have passed.
It's money that you will eventually have to spend, so the question is do you want to do it now and build everything together, or stick it out for a little longer with your existing ram. Neither choice is wrong.

Also, i agree with everything geofelt wrote.

No experience with liquid cooling.
Since you're keeping the Define S, maybe add another 140 mm fan in the front if you notice a need for more cooling. Won't be very noisy and it will probably be enough.
The case has 180mm clearance for large tower CPU coolers. That is enough. Check before you buy though.

As for the differences between i5 and i7, they puzzled me as well. I decided to buy the i5 thinking it would be enough. I was only going to buy an RTX 4060 (Gigabyte Eagle) for it's low power consumption and adequate graphics power for my needs. Your demands are a little higher than mine so maybe take the i7 14700? You won't regret it.

And if you are buying a new PSU, then getting an ATX 3.0 model would be sensible, even if you don't upgrade the gpu for several years.

 

[Why_Me]

Thank you very much for the reply. With regards to the CPU, will there be a bottleneck if I go for a i5 13600 or 13500? Will I be experiencing a notable difference? Benchmarking, suggests the increase in performance does not match the price increase, but I am not an expert benchmark reader.
With regards to Mobo, I see that this is a PCIe 4.0 and there is not a steep incline in price for a PCIe 5.0 Is it worth it, or not? Also curious if DDR4 will cut it or if there is a notable gain with DDR5?
With regards to cooling, would a liquid cooler be better or more quiet in general? Never had a liquid cooler before. Sounds cool.
With regards to the PSU, I see that the minimum reqs for a 4070ti is 750w, will I be experiencing a notable difference if I keep my old 750w PSU with a 4070ti super, and will I risk missing the required connectors?

Really appreciate any and all input

Cheers!

Either of those cpu's paired up with a B760 board will work fine as will this cpu in the link.

https://no.pcpartpicker.com/product...600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600kf

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-24m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz/specifications.html

 

[Mr.CJ]

You want a 850W ATX 3.0 psu for the RTX 4070 Ti 12GB / RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB.

The RTX 4070 Ti Super 16GB is due for release next week and leaked benchmarks show that card being comparable to the RTX 4080 (non Super).
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4070-family/

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-gpu-benchmarks-leak-10-percent-faster-4070-ti/

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor (kr4690.00 @ Proshop)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler (kr872.00 @ Proshop)
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (kr2175.00 @ Proshop)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory (kr1549.00 @ Proshop)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (kr1590.00 @ Proshop)
Video Card: *Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (kr10399.00 @ Proshop)
Power Supply: *Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (kr1697.00 @ Proshop)
Total: kr22972.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-21 07:43 CET+0100

A better look at those components.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...formance-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2021/13067.shtml

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/memory/cmk32gx5m2b6000c30/vengeance-32gb-2x16gb-ddr5-dram-6000mt-s-c30-memory-kit-black-cmk32gx5m2b6000c30

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn770-nvme-ssd?sku=WDS200T3X0E

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N407TSWF3OC-16GD#kf

https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/p/psu/cp-9020263-eu/rme-series-rm850e-fully-modular-low-noise-atx-power-supply-cp-9020263-eu

I can get an upgrade package with:
12900K
ASUS ROG STRIX B760-F GAMING WIFI (V2)
G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6000 BK C36 DC - 32GB
Phanteks Glacier One 360 D30

It will be cheaper than the suggested corresponding parts(9286 vs 6999), but not matching in performance. Will it be worth it? I might be able to haggle it down a bit as well.

 

[Why_Me]

I can get an upgrade package with:
12900K
ASUS ROG STRIX B760-F GAMING WIFI (V2)
G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6000 BK C36 DC - 32GB
Phanteks Glacier One 360 D30

It will be cheaper than the suggested corresponding parts(9286 vs 6999), but not matching in performance. Will it be worth it? I might be able to haggle it down a bit as well.

You don't want to run those 12 gen cpu's with DDR5 due to the native DDR5 support with those cpu's.

 

[Mr.CJ]

You don't want to run those 12 gen cpu's with DDR5 due to the native DDR5 support with those cpu's.

So that means 12th-generation CPUs would be better paired with DDR4 RAM?
How much of a difference are we talking about here, and how would it affect the overall experience? If I can get the price down a bit, the 13700 build would be around 50% more expensive. Might opt for it, if the DDR5 hassle isn't huge.

 

[Lafong]

You are considering:

PCIe 5.0 drives versus 4.0

New DDR 5 versus existing DDR 4

12th gen CPUs versus 13th or 14th

Liquid versus air cooling.

You say budget is "flexible", but you want "bang for the buck".

You rarely upgrade and tend to stick with a set of parts for a long time.

Ask yourself "on which of those 4 parts should I spend the last 2 or 300 dollars".

I'd think that liquid cooling and PCIe 5.0 would be at the BOTTOM of the list.

14th gen CPUs have perhaps 3 percent advantage over 13th. I don't see any reason to consider 12th with a "flexible" budget.

So...I'd spend the last 200 or 300 on 13th gen 13600K or 13700, PCIe 4.0 drives; upper end air cooling and 32 GB of DDR 5 in a 2 x 16 kit.

Unless budget prevents. You are the only one who knows at what point you say "that's too much money". Suit yourself.

I wouldn't spend a dime extra to get a motherboard that supports PCIe 5.0 unless you have a highly unusual use case or are hopelessly envious of "the latest and greatest". Your posts imply you are NOT.

 

[geofelt]

I can get an upgrade package with:
12900K
ASUS ROG STRIX B760-F GAMING WIFI (V2)
G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6000 BK C36 DC - 32GB
Phanteks Glacier One 360 D30

It will be cheaper than the suggested corresponding parts(9286 vs 6999), but not matching in performance. Will it be worth it? I might be able to haggle it down a bit as well.

That package would be reasonable as a huge boost over your 6600K.
But, I would not recommend liquid cooling if you do not need it.
An aio will fail, likely within 5 years.
The mechanical pump will fail or get clogged.
Air will intrude through the tubes and need to be replaced.

Your only mount option will be to the front of the case.
The cpu will be cooled very well. but the hot aio radiator air will be used to cool your graphics card and the motherboard vrm's.
Not the best.

I have used a I9-12900K before, and it was adequately air cooled with a Noctua NH-D15s.
Your motherboard chipset does not permit overclocking which is what can drive up the cpu heat generated.

FWIW:
I3/i5/i7 and i9 no longer designate how many of cores and hyperthreading.
The introduction of efficiency and performance cores make such designations more of a general performance category.