Intel 720J 3.73GHz 2MB 1066MHz Q4'04

[RichPLS]

Launch Date before of after FX-55???


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[Gimperific]

After. The amd roadmap lists th fx-55 coming out in Q304. Take a look at the thread I made here for some info that may or may not be true (true in my opinion).

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=190791#190791

 

[RichPLS]

Which will be the Price/Performance champ?
Worth waiting for, or waiting for price to drop?

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[Gimperific]

Well, I'm far from as experienced as some members of this board, but I'll try to help as best I can.

Since neither of the two processors are out yet, nothing is 100% certain. However, that being said, chances are very high that AMD will still hold the performance crown with the FX-55. Pentiums have been overclocked to that speed and as far as I know, still fail to beat an FX-53.

As for your second question, I think most here can agree that that this is the ever-present question. My personal opinion is that theres always something better on the horizon. Always price drops coming in the future. If I were you, I would simply buy whatever chip sounds best on the day I have the money to buy it. There are exceptions of course. If the Fx-55 is coming out october 17th, then there isn't much point in buying an Fx-53 now.

 

[RichPLS]

There is truth in what you are saying, and I agree...

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[Mephistopheles]

I just hope the 720J doesn't hold the EE price tag. If it's cheaper than the FX, that will make a whole lot of difference.

Plus, I agree with gimperific, it won't be quite so easy for Intel to get the performance crown... But still, the 2MB cache (L2, not L3 like previous P4EE processors, which does make a difference), coupled with a higher FSB operating with DDR2-667 (which the 925XE most likely will support) and with a higher processor clock will probably be a conjunction of factors which will make the P4 quite a bit faster.

But... a 2.6Ghz A64 is a very serious contender. I'm thinking Intel will close the gap - or at least make it smaller - but hardly overtake AMD at all. But I'm reluctant to say that this fight has an obvious winner.

 

[Gimperific]

I hear doom3 responds very well to increases in the L2 cache. I wonder what performance in other games based on ID's enjine will be like

 

[gothitbycar]

I have a feeling intel will win this battle. Just look what the prescott core celerons did to performance (over in <A HREF="http://xbitlabs.com" target="_new">xbitlabs</A>.) Now we are talking similiar boosts with the new cores(twice the l2 cache, higher fsb.) This L2 cache is huge compared to the others and the FSB is just really high. Intel is brute forcing their way to the top.

Then again it could always be another prescott.

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[endyen]

It is another prescott, with high latency L2 cache, and even higher latency ram. As to pricing, I bet it will be = to or > P4EE.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Even higher latency RAM? I'm not sure about that.

Most current DDR2 memory modules run at 667Mhz with the same 533 settings, which most likely indicates that DDR2-667 will manage to operate with lower latencies than DDR2-533... (same timings, but lower latencies because clock period is smaller)

In any case, DDR2-667 is probably the breaking point for DDR2. It will make DDR2 show more of its potential if compared to DDR400; it's still a somewhat tough match, though. I'm thinking only once DDR2-800 matures will we truly ditch DDR400. I'd expect DDR2-800 with better-than-standard timings to outperform DDR400 in every possible way, and I wouldn't be too surprised if that were to happen in the next 6-9 months or so. Remember, DDR2-800 will be available as early as november 2004, and will certainly fit in the 2004 timeframe in very small amounts. And I doubt mobo makers wouldn't jump on the opportunity of supporting newer memory types, if i925XE were to support them, even for the enthusiast market, for the next 6-9 months. (that would also be good for bragging rights, if DDR2-800 manages to finally put a good light on the LGA775 platform as a whole!)

I do still have to agree, however, that this story has more bandwidth than common sense and more latency than necessary, and that's why DDR2's technology needs to catch up. It can only possibly bring benefits when it is fully developed and mature; DDR2-400 is a joke and DDR2-533 is not justified. Catching up is still possible, though.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Mephistopheles on 10/07/04 00:37 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[gothitbycar]

Did you ever see the price of DDR2 memory? One rated at DD2-667 costs nearly 200 bucks for a 512mb stick, even more if its low latency. That new pentium is only going to be good if its in a money is no object system. Hopefully DDR2 prices will go down but I don't see them plummeting.

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[endyen]

Sorry, I wasn't too clear. The ram latency is worse than the L2 latency, and generally adds a good deal more latency than standard DDR would, at that speed. Actually though, latency is based on clock cycle, not "real time"

 

[Vapor]

the 2MB cache (L2, not L3 like previous P4EE processors, which does make a difference),

Interestingly enough, the latency on Scotty's L2 is higher than Gallatin's L3 (and that's at only 1MB, 2MB may be even worse!).

Also of note is what endyen is talking about, the A64's memory contoller latency is rediculously low, much unlike 925X's.

No doubt this will be Intel's fastest, but AMD's fastest is already at that level (and the FX55 is just around the corner).

What I would like to see is how well these beasts OC on moderate cooling and then a comparison of performance (but of course without engineering samples).

NF4 is also due in less than 2 weeks, so that will likely add to AMD's lead.

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[wolverinero79]

"After. The amd roadmap lists th fx-55 coming out in Q304. Take a look at the thread I made here for some info that may or may not be true (true in my opinion)."

Q304 is over... Did you mean Q404?

I'm just your average habitual smiler =D

 

[Gimperific]

Nope. check out the post I made here:
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=190791#190791

 

[wolverinero79]

Since when is the middle of October in Quarter 3?

I'm just your average habitual smiler =D

 

[endyen]

It's going to be launched this quarter. Wonder when it will actually be available?

 

[ytoledano]

These high latencies are just another thing, IMO, Intel has to make up with high frequencies. The 3.73GHZ are also to be considered.

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