Intel & AMD Processor Hierarchy

[clutchc]

intel prices are low nowadays compared to ryzen. like 10850k is almost $150 cheaper than 5600x. I'm still using xeon 1245vs (i7-3770 class). been checking out CPU at online shopping sites for weeks, but my current cpu still always feels fast. makes me wonder, if there's anything I can spend on my current desktop without having to "upgrade" ? maybe an NVME drive ? but my motherboard doesn't support nvme boot

As long as you have a SATA III SSD, I wouldn't fret the board not being NVME supportive. I use both in numerous machines and don't feel much difference in everyday use. It's only when I benchmark them that I see the difference.

Until the microchip shortage is behind us, other covid-related shortages catch up, the Chinese tariffs that the last administration thought was a good idea is over, and the graphic card manufacturers can satisfy the cryptocurrency shoppers, prices are going to be too high to buy much of anything (IMO). I feel stupid buying a $600 card I could have bought for $250 a year ago.

 

[Makste]

THis is very helpful thank you. Hoping to see laptop processor hierarchies too. Thanks

 

[hotaru251]

sees 11600k as best overall cpu (in post 2 or 3 days ago)

sees 5600x beat it in everything here. (and after u buy cooler for 11600k ur at msrp price of 5600x anyways)


can someone tell me how they make 2 posts basically contradicting themselves?

 

[spongiemaster]

sees 11600k as best overall cpu (in post 2 or 3 days ago)

sees 5600x beat it in everything here. (and after u buy cooler for 11600k ur at msrp price of 5600x anyways)


can someone tell me how they make 2 posts basically contradicting themselves?

11600k
Newegg - In Stock $265
Amazon - In Stock $265
BestBuy - In Stock $270

5600x
Newegg - No Stock (3rd party $389)
Amazon - $410
BestBuy - No Stock


Do you really need this further explained to you?

 

[spennyman]

Any reason the I7-11700k isn't reviewed? Really wanted to see that one.

 

[johnwkuntz]

You guys need help finding a Core I3 10100 and Core I3 10100f to test or what? Both are at least fairly close to a Ryzen 3100 or 3300X and not near as elusive in the wild... I mean they have only been available for a YEAR guys.

 

[johnwkuntz]

11600k
Newegg - In Stock $265
Amazon - In Stock $265
BestBuy - In Stock $270

5600x
Newegg - No Stock (3rd party $389)
Amazon - $410
BestBuy - No Stock


Do you really need this further explained to you?

By this logic why isn't the Core I3 10100 the best budget pick or entry level over the 3300X or 3200G? It's in stock at MSRP at multiple places and has at least comparable performance.

 

[DemonicSky]

Would take everything with a grain of salt, but if you're building something budget for the future, I'd invest in a higher tier of CPU's. Currently running a gaming rig on I7 4790K, on the integrated graphics and can still average 100fps in DotA2.

 

[johnwkuntz]

Would take everything with a grain of salt, but if you're building something budget for the future, I'd invest in a higher tier of CPU's. Currently running a gaming rig on I7 4790K, on the integrated graphics and can still average 100fps in DotA2.

I'm 58 years old....to be honest
,,, anything over 1440 or 60 fps is pretty much wasted on me.:0

 

[johnwkuntz]

Would take everything with a grain of salt, but if you're building something budget for the future, I'd invest in a higher tier of CPU's. Currently running a gaming rig on I7 4790K, on the integrated graphics and can still average 100fps in DotA2.

I play World of Tanks, World of Warships, WOW, Hearthstone, Doom, Diablo, Elite Dangerous, all of the Silent Hunter series and various others when they pique my interest...So far this little $90 cpu tears them to shreds at well over 100 fps.... I'll take that with a grain of salt...lol

 

[johnwkuntz]

I play World of Tanks, World of Warships, WOW, Hearthstone, Doom, Diablo, Elite Dangerous, all of the Silent Hunter series and various others when they pique my interest...So far this little $90 cpu tears them to shreds at well over 100 fps.... I'll take that with a grain of salt...lol

btw currently in the game room with me...Q6600 at 3.6 ghz with 2 660 in SLI. AMD 6350 at 4.5 ghz with 970, AMD 6300 at 4.3 ghz with 780 TI, and a BE 965 at 4.0 ghz with a 1060. 3 of the cpus are lapped and running heater cores as rads......but, thanks for the input, now days most people don't even try to help. keep on , it's how I learned.

 

[DemonicSky]

Sitting at 41 years of age here

Got a Ryzen 7 5800x with a 970, a G4600 running on integrated and the I7 4790K running on integrated, I was surprised how well the integrated held up. Overwatch, Diablo 3, Counterstrike, Sonic Allstars Racing, Assassins Creed, all working just fine. I guess the younger generations just want to spend to be flashy

 

[Sleepy_Hollowed]

I have an i5-3570. I have previously been told that an upgrade to (for example) an i7-8700K would see a significant improvement and would be well worth the investment. This article seems to say the exact opposite.

I presently have a 1920x1080 monitor and GTX960 GPU. My system is used for general office applications, surfing and limited gaming (WoW, with an intention to switch to Elite: Dangerous shortly).

Considering the power and cooling requirements and what you use your machine for, you’d encounter much better results from say a 5600G/5700G from AMD. And that one has integrated video twice as fast as Intel in case your nvidia dies.

 

[paul prochnow]

Here is a resource to help you judge if a CPU is a reasonable value: The gaming CPU hierarchy chart groups CPUs with similar performance.

Intel & AMD Processor Hierarchy : Read more

I want 16 C and 32 T.

Oh wow! I have a rig that can run one of them.

Arctic MX-4 RAM 3333MHz
top core speed 5015, 4990,4988,4940 MHz
Peak Current 122.6 Peak Package Watts 141.64, Peak Temp 86C
AutoOVerclock set in Ryzen MAster1 Auto Overclock in Yellow

TEST Software Sandra Processor Arithmetic
Aggregate Native Performance : 428.32GOPS -- 3900X <------
Benchmark Results
Aggregate Native Performance : 603.16GOPS ------5950X,---------Bold added by me<-----
Aggregate Native Performance : 605. 1 Auto Overclock in Yellow
Dhrystone Integer Native AVX2 : 779.75GIPS
Dhrystone Long Native AVX2 : 795.89GIPS
Whetstone Single-float Native AVX/FMA : 511.52GFLOPS
Whetstone Double-float Native AVX/FMA : 425.56GFLOPS
Aggregate Native Performance
Dhrystone Aggregated-int Native : 787.78GFLOPS
Dhrystone Aggregated-int Native : 790.39GFLOPS 1 Auto Overclock in Yellow

Whetstone Aggregated-float Native : 466.56GFLOPS
Results Interpretation : Higher Scores mean Better Performance.
Decimal Numeral System (base 10) : 1GOPS = 1000MOPS, 1MOPS = 1000kOPS, 1kOPS = 1000OPS, etc.

Performance per Thread
Aggregate Native Performance : 18.85GOPS
Dhrystone Integer Native : 24.37GIPS
Dhrystone Long Native : 24.87GIPS
Whetstone Single-float Native : 16GFLOPS
Whetstone Double-float Native : 13.3GFLOPS
No. Threads : 32
Results Interpretation : Higher Scores mean Better Performance.
Decimal Numeral System (base 10) : 1GOPS = 1000MOPS, 1MOPS = 1000kOPS, 1kOPS = 1000OPS, etc.

Performance vs. Power
Processor(s) Power : 105.00W
Aggregate Native Performance : 5744.38MOPS/W
Aggregate Native Performance : 5762.91MOPS/W1 Auto Overclock in Yellow
Dhrystone Integer Native : 7426.16MIPS/W
Dhrystone Long Native : 7579.89MIPS/W
Whetstone Single-float Native : 4871.59MFLOPS/W
Whetstone Double-float Native : 4052.97MFLOPS/W
Results Interpretation : Higher Scores mean Better Performance.

Performance vs. Speed
Aggregate Native Performance : 127.87MOPS/MHz
Dhrystone Integer Native : 165.31MIPS/MHz
Dhrystone Long Native : 168.73MIPS/MHz
Whetstone Single-float Native : 108.44MFLOPS/MHz
Whetstone Double-float Native : 90.22MFLOPS/MHz
Results Interpretation : Higher Scores mean Better Performance.

Benchmark Status
Result ID : AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor (2M 16C 32T 4.72GHz, 833MHz IMC, 16x 512kB L2, 2x 32MB L3)
Microcode : A20F10-1009
Computer : ASRock X570 Creator
Platform Compliance : x64
NUMA Support : No
No. Threads : 32
Processor Affinity : U0-M0C0T0 U2-M0C1T0 U4-M0C2T0 U6-M0C3T0 U8-M0C4T0 U10-M0C5T0 U12-M0C6T0 U14-M0C7T0 U16-M1C0T0 U18-M1C1T0 U20-M1C2T0 U22-M1C3T0 U24-M1C4T0 U26-M1C5T0 U28-M1C6T0 U30-M1C7T0 U1-M0C0T1 U3-M0C1T1 U5-M0C2T1 U7-M0C3T1 U9-M0C4T1 U11-M0C5T1 U13-M0C6T1 U15-M0C7T1
System Timer : 10MHz
No. Runs : 64000 / 640

Processor
Model : AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor
URL : https://www.amd.com
Speed : 4.72GHz
Min/Max/Turbo Speed : 2.2GHz - 3.4GHz - 4.72GHz
Modules per Processor : 2 Unit(s)
Cores per Processor : 8 Unit(s)
Threads per Core : 2 Unit(s)
Front-Side Bus Speed : 100MHz
Revision/Stepping : 21 / 0
Microcode : A20F10-1009
Latest Version : A20F10-16
L1D (1st Level) Data Cache : 16x 32kB, 8-Way, Exclusive, 64bytes Line Size, 2 Thread(s)
L1I (1st Level) Code Cache : 16x 32kB, 8-Way, Exclusive, 64bytes Line Size, 2 Thread(s)
L2 (2nd Level) Data/Unified Cache : 16x 512kB, 8-Way, Fully Inclusive, 64bytes Line Size, 2 Thread(s)
L3 (3rd Level) Data/Unified Cache : 2x 32MB, 16-Way, Exclusive, 64bytes Line Size, 16 Thread(s)
Rated Power (TDP) : 105.00W

Memory Controller 3333Mhz
Speed : 833MHz (100%)
Min/Max/Turbo Speed : 417MHz - 833MHz

Features
SSE2 - Streaming SIMD Extensions v2 : Yes
SSE3 - Streaming SIMD Extensions v3 : Yes
SSE4.1 - Streaming SIMD Extensions v4.1 : Yes
SSE4.2 - Streaming SIMD Extensions v4.2 : Yes
AES - Accelerated Cryptography Support : Yes
SHA - Accelerated Hashing Support : Yes
AVX - Advanced Vector eXtensions : Yes
FMA3 - Fused Multiply/Add eXtensions : Yes
AVX2 - Advanced Vector eXtensions v2 : Yes
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes

Performance Enhancing Tips
Notice 242 : Dynamic OverClocking/Turbo engaged. Environment conditions may influence performance.
Tip 229 : CPU microcode update available. Check for an updated System BIOS with updated microcode.
Tip 3 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more info

 

[cryoburner]

Considering the power and cooling requirements and what you use your machine for, you’d encounter much better results from say a 5600G/5700G from AMD. And that one has integrated video twice as fast as Intel in case your nvidia dies.

Considering they posted that almost two-and-a-half years ago, in January of 2019, I imagine they might have already made up their decision by this point. : 3

 

[Teeroy32]

In what world is a i7 2600k lower tier than a Ryzen 3 1200?

It may be based on the fact the i72600k is old and may be missing instruction sets for modern games and programs that will slow performance when it has to brute force it. Kind of like older games from the nineties would run on CPU alone but if you gave them a graphics accelerator it would have a higher frame and polygon count.

 

[cats_Paw]

Anybody can explain what is "(Geomean) entire test suite?"
Also, is it correct to use PBO for AMD and manual overclocking for Intel?

I also do not see any mention about RAM, if it is also OCed or not.

I know this is a massive test suite, so I am not asking for additional testing with all those variables, but Id like to know those variables. Other way, one would be forgiven for seeing this test as biased.

 

[Arbie]

Except, of course, actual power consumption. My only heavy use for many-cores is video encoding. For HandBrake work, AnandTech found the 5800X to be twice as power efficient as the 11900K.

AT encoding comparison

 

[guru7of9]

Since when has it EVER been normal practice in the CPU Hierarchy list to include overclocked CPU's in the heirachy list ?

I will tell you when, NEVER !

It has only appeared only since AMD are faster, and Intel is 2nd best ! This is just Rediculous! So typical ! Big Business Total Bias !

Must be sponsored by Intel ! What else can you say ! Its A Joke !

 

[johnwkuntz]

Guru7of9 is dead on above.....If you take out any overclock scores AMD is holding the top 4 slots in 1080, 1440, Multi thread, and still is number one on single thread. The closest Intel is 11700k and the 5600x is topping it in every chart but single thread. For about $100 less btw!!

 

[Deleted member 2783327]

Included everything, Including AMD Threadripper but not the Intel HEDT 10900X, 10920X, 10940X

 

[Dragonwatcher]

the buy link for the 5950X links to a 3950X

 

[guru7of9]

sees 11600k as best overall cpu (in post 2 or 3 days ago)

sees 5600x beat it in everything here. (and after u buy cooler for 11600k ur at msrp price of 5600x anyways)


can someone tell me how they make 2 posts basically contradicting themselves?

Its normal in here, but they have just updated it for Alderlake. They are so hanging to get Intel back at the top as fast as they can !
Wonder if they will persist with overclocked BS in the heirarchy ! If it helps Intel, it will for sure!

The update should have been done 12 months ago !

 

[guru7of9]

Included everything, Including AMD Threadripper but not the Intel HEDT 10900X, 10920X, 10940X

Cos they are rubbish , that's why !

They were ridiculously over priced and under powered !

A total embarrassment!

 

[DonQuixoteIII]

This jumble of graphs are too scrambled to make any sense of. Trying to use these graphs is kinda like trying to unscramble an egg.